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House Democrats Want More Answers From Alberto Gonzales About Attorney Firings
Thursday, May 10, 2007

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
WASHINGTON —  Democrats pressed for more answers on the firings of U.S. attorneys Thursday even as Attorney General Alberto Gonzales insisted he hasn't remembered any new details and Republicans called for an end to the congressional probe.

"The list of accusations has mushroomed, but the evidence of wrongdoing has not," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, top Republican on the panel. "We should not conduct an endless piscine expedition."

Democrats showed no willingness to quit asking questions about whether White House officials ordered the firings of prosecutors not sufficiently loyal to the Bush administration.

"The department's most precious asset — its reputation for integrity and independence — has been called into question," Chairman John Conyers, D-Mich., said as he opened the hearing. "Until we get to the bottom of how this list was created, and why, those doubts will persist."

The Senate had little luck finding the answers three weeks ago, when Gonzales answered dozens of times that he could not recall key details.

"My feelings and recollections about this matter have not changed," Gonzales told the panel Thursday.

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More of the fired U.S. attorneys also have told congressional investigators they were warned that if they publicly protested their dismissals, Justice Department officials would publicly criticize their performance. And there have been new allegations that U.S. attorneys were evaluated on their enthusiasm for pursuing voter fraud cases that might benefit Republican candidates.

Gonzales is expected to be asked about those developments Thursday in his first appearance before the House Judiciary Committee since Democrats took control of Congress.

Conyers is holding a subpoena for White House political adviser Karl Rove but has not issued it. Meanwhile, the Senate Judiciary Committee last week subpoenaed Gonzales for all e-mails the Justice Department has gathered regarding Rove and the firings.

Senators had little success in getting answers from the attorney general three weeks ago. In more than 70 responses to questions by members of the Senate panel, Gonzales said he could not recall or did not remember conversations or events surrounding the dismissals. Republican supporters were shaken by his performance, but President Bush issued a strong vote of confidence in him.

There was little indication that Gonzales planned to disclose much more. Asked Wednesday during a news conference whether he's refreshed his memory, Gonzales replied: "I can only provide information as to what I know and to what I recall, and that's what I intend to do, as I have done in the past."

Clearly, he's less under siege now. Republican calls for him to resign tapered off after Bush's strong reaffirmation of support for him, and lawmakers have turned their attention to a stalemate with the president over his order to increase troops in Iraq and their growing resolve to bring them home.

In prepared testimony, Gonzales said it's time to move on.

"Recent events must not deter us from our mission. I ask the committee to join me in that commitment and that rededication," he said, citing what he said were accomplishments in protecting national security and fighting pedophiles.

Meanwhile, the Senate Judiciary Committee has asked Bradley Schlozman, a former interim head of the Civil Rights Division at Justice, to speak with investigators about whether former U.S. Attorney Todd Graves in Kansas City was replaced because he refused to sign a federal lawsuit alleging voter fraud in Missouri a year before the 2006 election.

Graves, who resigned, said Wednesday he had no inkling he was on a list of attorneys targeted for replacement.

"When I first interviewed in 2001 with the United States attorney screening committee at DOJ, I was asked to give the panel one attribute that describes me," Graves said. "I said 'independent.' Apparently, that was the wrong attribute."

Gonzales, asked about Graves during a Michigan appearance on Tuesday, said: "I'm not aware he was forced out."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,271172,00.html

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I was wondering where this storyline went.  Wasn't in the news for a couple of weeks.

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I was wondering where this storyline went.  Wasn't in the news for a couple of weeks.

Partisan witch hunt is still on.  They won't quit till they get his scalp. 

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Partisan witch hunt is still on.  They won't quit till they get his scalp. 

Do you believe Gonzalez did nothing illegal or unethical, beach Bum?

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Do you believe Gonzalez did nothing illegal or unethical, beach Bum?

I haven't seen any evidence that he broke the law or violated any ethical rule.  If you have evidence of either, I'd be interested in reading it (so long as it's not some CT website). 

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I haven't seen any evidence that he broke the law or violated any ethical rule.  If you have evidence of either, I'd be interested in reading it (so long as it's not some CT website). 

Fair enough.

Do you believe he honestly couldn't recall the answers to questions, 45 times when asked under oath?  Or do you think he may have known some of those answers and chose to tell the committee that he didn't recall to protect himself?

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Fair enough.

Do you believe he honestly couldn't recall the answers to questions, 45 times when asked under oath?  Or do you think he may have known some of those answers and chose to tell the committee that he didn't recall to protect himself?


I have no idea.  What I suspect is he gave them as little information as possible.  With the Scooter Libby situation hovering over him, I don't blame him.  (The guy who was convicted of lying, obstruction, or whatever when there was no underlying crime.)  I would do the same thing if a panel of partisan Senators was asking questions clearly designed to find any information to (a) get me fired and (b) investigate apparently nonexistent criminal activity.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was a self preservation element to his testimony. 


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Many see his inability to remember recent large decisions as deceiving.


Under oath, that is a crime.



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I watched about an hour of his testimony last night.  Better performance than his Senate testimony, but he's still a terrible witness. 

No smoking gun, again, and still a patent partisan witch hunt.  Rep. Sanchez from California was a complete joke.  Those fools don't even try and hide the fact they are trying to scalp this guy. 

Gonzales tells panel he doesn't recall any more details
POSTED: 11:22 p.m. EDT, May 10, 2007
Story Highlights• Attorney General Gonzales testifies on prosecutors' firings
• Republicans demand the investigation into firings be closed
• Hearing is Gonzales' first before House panel since Democrats took control
• Justice Department denies that prosecutors' firings were politically motivated

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democrats pressed Thursday for more answers on the firings of U.S. attorneys as Attorney General Alberto Gonzales insisted he hasn't remembered anything new and Republicans demanded the investigation close.

"My feelings and recollections about this matter have not changed," Gonzales told the House Judiciary Committee, three weeks after telling a Senate panel he couldn't recall specific conversations or details in response to more than 70 questions.

Gonzales won more support from House Republicans than he got from their counterparts on the Senate Judiciary Committee last month, when only one GOP senator defended the embattled attorney general. (Full story)

This time, Republicans echoed Gonzales' call to move on, indicating that the embattled attorney general may have weathered the political storm.

"The list of accusations has mushroomed, but the evidence of wrongdoing has not," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the committee's senior GOP member. "If there are no fish in this lake, we should reel in our lines of questions, dock our empty boat and turn to more pressing issues." (Watch why Democrats aren't likely to back off soon )

Democrats showed no willingness to quit asking whether the White House ordered prosecutors not sufficiently loyal to the Bush administration to be fired. Democrats probed whether the Justice Department scuttled more prosecutors than the eight jettisoned over the winter, asking about prosecutor resignations in Los Angeles, California, and Missouri.

"The department's most precious asset -- its reputation for integrity and independence -- has been called into question," said committee chairman John Conyers, D-Michigan. "Until we get to the bottom of how this list was created, and why, those doubts will persist."

"Cooperate with us," Conyers appealed to Gonzales. "I'm trying, Mr. Chairman," the attorney general replied.

Morale at Justice Department sinking
Having survived months of calls for his resignation, Gonzales appeared less nervous. He acknowledged a sinking morale at the Justice Department in the wake of the prosecutor firings but made it clear he plans to remain as attorney general -- despite what he called his mistakes in overseeing the dismissals.

Republican members of the House panel moved on to other subjects -- though much of this questioning was no more friendly.

Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisconsin, asked why there had been no new developments in the federal bribery probe of Rep. William Jefferson, D-Louisiana.

"I cannot talk about that," Gonzales replied.

"Well, everyone is talking about it except you," Sensenbrenner shot back. "This is kind of embarrassing."

The questioning quickly turned back to the fired prosecutors.

Under persistent requests to reveal who originated the list of prosecutors to be fired, Gonzales maintained his former chief of staff, Kyle Sampson, put it together after gathering information from other senior officials in the Justice Department.

"I understood it to be the consensus of the senior leadership of the department," Gonzales said. He acknowledged, however, that presidential adviser Karl Rove raised concerns with Gonzales about voter fraud prosecutions in three jurisdictions, including New Mexico. David Iglesias, the U.S. attorney there, was later fired.

Democrats focused on whether Todd Graves, a former federal prosecutor in Missouri, was forced out a year before the others because he refused to sign a Justice Department lawsuit alleging voter fraud a year before the 2006 elections.

As the Senate Judiciary Committee requested answers from Graves' replacement, House lawmakers sought answers from Gonzales.

"I have no basis to believe that case had anything to do with Mr. Graves' departure," Gonzales said under questioning from Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-California.

Gonzales also said that Debra Yang, formerly the U.S. attorney in Los Angeles, resigned in October to take a higher paying job at a private firm.

In the three weeks since Gonzales' Senate testimony, the department disclosed that it is investigating whether his former White House liaison, Monica Goodling, weighed the political affiliations of those she considered hiring as entry-level prosecutors. Consideration of such affiliations could be a violation of federal law.

More of the fired U.S. attorneys also have told congressional investigators they were warned that if they publicly protested their dismissals, Justice officials would publicly criticize their performance. And new allegations say U.S. attorneys were evaluated on their enthusiasm for pursuing voter fraud cases that might benefit Republican candidates.

Conyers is holding a subpoena for Rove but has not issued it. Meanwhile, the Senate Judiciary Committee last week subpoenaed Gonzales for all e-mails the Justice Department has gathered regarding Rove and the firings. (Full story)

In prepared testimony for Thursday's hearing, Gonzales said it's time to move on.

"Recent events must not deter us from our mission. I ask the committee to join me in that commitment and that rededication," he said, citing what he said were accomplishments in protecting national security and fighting pedophiles.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/10/gonzales.testifies.ap/index.html

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Beach Bum,

If Alberto lied ONCE about not remembering something that he did, he should be removed from office.

Agree or disagree?

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We should question his mental health anyone that can't recall that much information about his job has a problem...

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Beach Bum,

If Alberto lied ONCE about not remembering something that he did, he should be removed from office.

Agree or disagree?

Depends on what he lied about it.  If it's about a material issue, of course.  But don't try and cloud the issue.  Democrats raised a stink about this nonsense claiming there was some kind of illegality.  So far, they have shot blanks.  Nothing.  Zero.  As I've said, repeatedly, if he fired those guys to interfere with a legitimate criminal investigation, he needs to be fired and prosecuted.  No evidence that happened. 

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Depends on what he lied about it. 

So SOME lies under oath are acceptable from our nation's top lawyer?

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So SOME lies under oath are acceptable from our nation's top lawyer?

You asked whether he should be removed from office for ANY lie, not whether some lies under oath are acceptable.

I think our country has already decided that not every lie under oath results in the loss of your job, like lying about sex.     

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You asked whether he should be removed from office for ANY lie, not whether some lies under oath are acceptable.

I think our country has already decided that not every lie under oath results in the loss of your job, like lying about sex.     

I'm not okay with a man in charge of making ethical decisions about the rights and freedoms of Americans - lying under oath.

This man has EXTREME power.  And if he lied under oath - it IS a felony.

Should a man who committed multiple felonies (if he lied about more than one of the 45 "I forgets"), be able to have such power over the rights of 300 mil people?

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I'm not okay with a man in charge of making ethical decisions about the rights and freedoms of Americans - lying under oath.

This man has EXTREME power.  And if he lied under oath - it IS a felony.


And what felony might that be? 

Also, this entire matter is a circus.  It started with U.S. Attorneys being fired for "political reasons," then changed to firings to interfere with criminal investigations, then Gonzales lying about his involvement, incompetence, and has now morphed into lying about whether he recalls various information.  I suspected this investigation and these hearings would be a waste of my tax dollars.  I am not happy.