A.P. possible bust???

[whitewidow]

Well thats what the letters are about. The Govt. is giving people the chance to petition them keeping the $$. Also I have heard from a good bro that some people who ordered excessive amounts have been visited by LE!

Thats what I heard too. I heard a few got visits. but for the most part everyone just got that huge multi page letter. if AP did not get immunity he is a dumbass because he helped LE big time.AP camp had all orders from 2005 and on on file what it was how it was payed for who it was shipped too, board names-emails everything. so even if you ordered before april 3rd they know about it... if you ordered at all they know!

[DIVISION]

Thats what I heard too. I heard a few got visits. but for the most part everyone just got that huge multi page letter. if AP did not get immunity he is a dumbass because he helped LE big time.AP camp had all orders from 2005 and on on file what it was how it was payed for who it was shipped too, board names-emails everything. so even if you ordered before april 3rd they know about it... if you ordered at all they know!

If I had $5K to spend on Anabolics, it wouldn't be from a UG.

There's nothing scary about a visit from LE.......it's about what evidence they have.

If they're only visiting, it means they don't have much.

If they had probably cause, they'd be breaking down your door with a search warrant.

There's only so much time and resource money to go after people and most of it is allocated to busting hard drug dealers, not AAS dealers.

Busting steroid sellers is considered secondary, if that.

It must be a slow summer in LA for busting dealers if they're concerned about a UG trafficking less than 100K.   


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[whitewidow]

If I had $5K to spend on Anabolics, it wouldn't be from a UG.

There's nothing scary about a visit from LE.......it's about what evidence they have.

If they're only visiting, it means they don't have much.

If they had probably cause, they'd be breaking down your door with a search warrant.

There's only so much time and resource money to go after people and most of it is allocated to busting hard drug dealers, not AAS dealers.

Busting steroid sellers is considered secondary, if that.

It must be a slow summer in LA for busting dealers if they're concerned about a UG trafficking less than 100K.   


DIV

I think LA police got heat from the fda to persue these guys. I dont think there is anything small time about 100K in less than a month. in this game everything is double or triple profit so making 50-60grand a month is not bad at all. thats worth going after I know alot of citys local police and DEA would be all over that sh*t.

[Luv2Hurt]

A buddy told me that a while ago something similar to this happened with another source.  He said he got a visit from LE while he was at work!  They pretty much just told him never to do it again and that they were watching him.  Nothing more came of it, he was a pretty small time buyer relatively speaking.

[Rimbaud]

True, but they can't do much considering the transaction never took place.

The Feds essentially stole these people's money.

A conspiracy charge at most?

Rick Collins would send them packing....



DIV

Any decent lawyer would send them packing.

[trab]

Theres a lot of big fish to fry. A Ex IRS/FBI agent I know says, "It takes $1,000,000+ min back taxes to get IMMEDIATE attn".  But small investigations go on and on...

If you need a Atty, make sure you get a experienced defense atty. NACDL lable.
The last legal fees here, for run of the mill probate work ran me $200 hr, billed @ 15min minimums...
That is, a 2 min Phone call is - $50!

And, The damn Legal bills allways continue to come in for MONTHS after the issue is dead and gone. 

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I think people are getting way too paranoid about this AP shit. So they know everyone's order for the past two years. If you've ordered a small ammount they're not going to waste the time to go after you - it wouldn't be worth the officers time, DA's time, & judge's time for a couple hundred dollars in steroids (most of whom don't have the gear anymore). The people who should be sweating are the guys who ordered $1000's (& actually got the gear). Other then that I think it's a scare tactic. Think about it for a minute. They put the word out that they know everything sold by AP for the past couple year & who bought it from him that's bound to scare people. If anything I'd be welling to bet they're trying to scare people out of the business & I'd bet they did (maybe 25-30% of those who bought from him). I've also seen several sellers closing up shop.

[DIVISION]

I think LA police got heat from the fda to persue these guys. I dont think there is anything small time about 100K in less than a month. in this game everything is double or triple profit so making 50-60grand a month is not bad at all. thats worth going after I know alot of citys local police and DEA would be all over that sh*t.

That must be the reason, baby Widow.

I just can't see LA cops getting frisky over steroid dealers.

There are so many other high profile issues to deal with.

It must have been dumped in their lap by the DEA or some other Federal agency.

People are paranoid by nature, but really, it does all come down to money.



DIV

[trab]

This is coming down from On High! Prolly W had his wennie go limp on Deca back in the day and
never lived it down

[DIVISION]

This is coming down from On High! Prolly W had his wennie go limp on Deca back in the day and
never lived it down

It's been like this for the last year plus....

I can't even imagine buying anything in bulk these days.

It's a shame.   



DIV

[Rimbaud]

It's been like this for the last year plus....

I can't even imagine buying anything in bulk these days.

It's a shame.   



DIV

No kidding.

[Rimbaud]

http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39467

[Rimbaud]

http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39434

[DIVISION]

http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39467
http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39434

Can you copy and paste, Mr. Ewok?   



DIV

[udeluz]

Can you copy and paste, Mr. Ewok?   



DIV

Just join the damn board like everyone else mr special

[DIVISION]

Just join the damn board like everyone else mr special

I can't be a member of every forum.......

I don't have that kind of time or patience, Udez.

Plus.......this forum is just more relaxed.



DIV

[Rimbaud]

Can you copy and paste, Mr. Ewok?   



DIV

It's like 40-50 posts. Email me & I'll give you access to my account.

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Hey guys just some info that I got in SSB from GYMACE board admin, they are taking matter very serious..............

Quote from GYMACE in Law forum in SSB

http://www.steroidsuperboard.com/boa...howtopic=36918

"All those who did biz with AP since 2005 until now are on this list released by feds.
It states your full name, address, board ID and email address in addition to exact date when and what gear was purchased, method of payment (includes MTCN, cash in mail dc# etc)...everything! List is in my hands, it is incredible sight. Do not PM me asking are you on this list, becuase if you did biz with him, you surely are.

Conclusion:

A.P. gave feds password of his email accounts and they know everything!!
I recognize many names and addies, they have never been changed. Please, I beg you: cancel all those addresses, close PO Boxes and take all other necessary measures. Feds most likely won't go after you unless you've been ordering tons of gear and I can see dozens of such clients. They can use your info to go after other sources and that's what is worrying factor.

From this day forward we will be banning on slightest suspicion of someone being associated with LE, we reserve the right not to explain ourselves. 10 mods on this board have banning powers and they have my blessing to shoot on sight.

1 more thing, disclaimer of some sort:



I decided to post this in open and will take all responsabilities. SSB Mods were in no way involved in deciding if this info should be posted or not! I am board administrator and stand behind my decision. No other admin or staff member has anything to do with this. "
   

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why are you posting this here if you are from SSB you already know
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why are you posting this here if you are from SSB you already know


maybe cause some of us arent part of SSB
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Wow....I'm so glad I never ordered from AP...
   

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Wow....I'm so glad I never ordered from AP...

It doesnt really matter if you ordered from him or not. If you ordered from ANY source.......this is a possible outcome. We all need to lay low.....
   

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This is a total mess.
   

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There is only one thing i worry about. People singing like parrots. Big buyers from sources usually have a couple sources they order from. Squeeze the shit out of the bulk buyers from AP and who knows what/who will get ratted on......
   

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Why is everyone doing this?

Why does everyone feel the need to talk about it? If you ordered..you get the letter etc.
   

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Wow....I'm so glad I never ordered from AP...

same here.
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Why is everyone doing this?

Why does everyone feel the need to talk about it? If you ordered..you get the letter etc.

Your right, we shouldnt communicate anything with eachother. Nobody should have said anything about AP or his bust, nobody should say anything about the letters, hell why are we even here.........If im not mistaken..the entire idea of a message board is communication? Or am i wrong?
   

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why are you posting this here if you are from SSB you already know


Bro the forum is to share information pertinant to our hobbies, basically the idea is to inform what is happening out there.........there are always a fallout that may spill.......first of all is a remainder to follow all the precautions when ordering, some of us been in the game long time and some times still forget some of the basics while ordering........

Keep safe, been a witch hunt for some times..............
   

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Im glad I never ordered from AP either and thank god someone hacked my computer and ordered a small order from LS. Oh well, not my fault
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the lesson here is...if you get busted, just shut the fuck up! you're going to jail anyway. if you can't do the time, then don't do the crime. just don't be a little "rat" bitch, take it like a man and look out between the bars for a while. your first miranda right is the right to silence...use it. AP is obviously a big pussy, he's gonna do time, i hope it's wearing a snitch jacket.
   

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the lesson here is...if you get busted, just shut the fuck up! you're going to jail anyway. if you can't do the time, then don't do the crime. just don't be a little "rat" bitch, take it like a man and look out between the bars for a while. your first miranda right is the right to silence...use it. AP is obviously a big pussy, he's gonna do time, i hope it's wearing a snitch jacket.

Only if this would happen. The truth is......99% of the time people arent going to be willing to face the music to protect someone else. Face time or sing like a parrot about people youve never even met in real life? I can hear the music already..........it sucks, but its the truth. Theres no real consequence for those who choose to rat as nobody has even seen eachother.........
   

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Look guys the feds assume some guys are really fucking dumb. Thats why they're sending out letters to claim etc. They don't have the resources and hopefully don't have the inclination, to go after all of the regular guys who are ordering for themselves.

I agree though that all of this has become too risky to be involved in. Just not worth it anymore.
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Hey guys just some info that I got in SSB from GYMACE board admin, they are taking matter very serious..............

Quote from GYMACE in Law forum in SSB

http://www.steroidsuperboard.com/boa...howtopic=36918

"All those who did biz with AP since 2005 until now are on this list released by feds.It states your full name, address, board ID and email address in addition to exact date when and what gear was purchased, method of payment (includes MTCN, cash in mail dc# etc)...everything! List is in my hands, it is incredible sight. Do not PM me asking are you on this list, becuase if you did biz with him, you surely are.

Conclusion:

A.P. gave feds password of his email accounts and they know everything!!
I recognize many names and addies, they have never been changed. Please, I beg you: cancel all those addresses, close PO Boxes and take all other necessary measures. Feds most likely won't go after you unless you've been ordering tons of gear and I can see dozens of such clients. They can use your info to go after other sources and that's what is worrying factor.

From this day forward we will be banning on slightest suspicion of someone being associated with LE, we reserve the right not to explain ourselves. 10 mods on this board have banning powers and they have my blessing to shoot on sight.

1 more thing, disclaimer of some sort:



I decided to post this in open and will take all responsabilities. SSB Mods were in no way involved in deciding if this info should be posted or not! I am board administrator and stand behind my decision. No other admin or staff member has anything to do with this. "

You are saying this list is from 2005...but these two threads are saying this list from the feds is from april til now. so which is it???

http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=39398
http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=39410

I wish someone with some cerdability would post as to which it is.
   

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I was wondering the same thing. It sounded at first that it was for collections from April to May. But then you keep hearing 2005. There are guys on here that have said list in hand. Should be easy enough to clarify.
   

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what is considered big buyer, $900 or more or $500 and more?.......
   

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what is considered big buyer, $900 or more or $500 and more?.......

Depends if your locals are bored. If the feds don't feel like spending the time on the small fish, the feds WILL contact the locals and let them decide if they wanna mess with you or not.
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ok, i see, i havent gotten a letter or anything but i have never had a package sent to the same house within a year of eachother.
   

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LOL! Where did that rule come in? I missed that part of "Legal Muscle".
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Look guys the feds assume some guys are really fucking dumb. Thats why they're sending out letters to claim etc. They don't have the resources and hopefully don't have the inclination, to go after all of the regular guys who are ordering for themselves.

I agree though that all of this has become too risky to be involved in. Just not worth it anymore.

the letters are just a formality.. they arent trying to get more people by having people respond.. they have to follow the laws and it states that any parties involved in a seizure have the right to dispute it.. same as if you were arrested with drugs in your car and had 5k on you. you have the right to dispute the funds seized were not drug related etc.. this is a little different cause nobody has been arrested that lost $$.. i would be shocked if that list wasnt forwarded to the local police for the guys that spent some big dollars.. its easy to pick out who was a personal user and who was a dealer..
   

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I was wondering the same thing. It sounded at first that it was for collections from April to May. But then you keep hearing 2005. There are guys on here that have said list in hand. Should be easy enough to clarify.


You would think so. I'm starting to think that some of the people stirring the pot are not who they appear to be. Seems spreading fear and panic would be something that LE would want to do. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, all I'm saying is that until a credible vet or mod clears up the whole "list" thing then something seems fishy.

What are the dates on the list? That should be good enough even.
   

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Or better yet, pass out the list. If it's public record, then fine. If not, how does someone have that list? Drug dealers usually don't get federal documents.
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I would say he kept a client list from 2005???

If that's the case, that was 2 addresses ago and one name ago...
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I would say he kept a client list from 2005???

If that's the case, that was 2 addresses ago and one name ago...

Maybe he did, but hummmm, how would it be that only Gymace has this list 'in my hands' that dates to 2005? Nobody else has posted that, they have only posted that the list was either from the bust date in April or no date at all was mentioned. Besides, TWO YEARS worth of names and addy's doesn't add up to 12 pages. Seems like it would be A LOT more...

I'm not saying that if you ordered from AP before those dates then you are all good. You should clean house and hard drive if you ever ordered, but this whole 2005 thing from gymace is suspect at best imho.
   

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the list itself is from early april to may.. thats the time they ran the sting operation.. you have to assume AP had emails and client list from just before that.. did he give the list of clients back all the way to 05 i have no clue but the federal docs were from april 5th til may15th or so.. if you placed an order between those dates you are on the list..

he was busted on april 3rd.. the feds put the sting into effect real quick to start taking order on april 5th.. the same reason this bust never came out publicly til after the sting..

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I think what G Man says is correct (only an assumption). When we hear 12 pages versus 20 something pages, I believe that to mean 12 front and back and once scanned into PDF format, 20 something.

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Over on SSB it say's 29 pages and everyone on that list is going to get one of those list in the mail with everyone's info.

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Over on SSB it say's 29 pages and everyone on that list is going to get one of those list in the mail with everyone's info.

Micro

Ok, so anyone that ordered between April 5th 2007 and May 19th 2007 will be receiving a letter. That's still no reason to overlook the obvious, stay safe. It's better than having bros rushing home on their lunch hour to check the fucking mailbox.
   

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settle down people, a friend of mine ordered a while back and it was only a personal order, but there is no need to trip out they cannot persue every 400$ order that would cost too much money and effort....just chill


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So who has this list? This shit is getting out of control. If nothing else I'd like to see it in order to see who's in my area that could be in trouble.
   

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  #34       Today, 04:56 PM 
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3 threads on this crap is getting confusing as all hell
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Hey guys just some info that I got in SSB from GYMACE board admin, they are taking matter very serious..............

Quote from GYMACE in Law forum in SSB

http://www.steroidsuperboard.com/boa...howtopic=36918

"All those who did biz with AP since 2005 until now are on this list released by feds.
It states your full name, address, board ID and email address in addition to exact date when and what gear was purchased, method of payment (includes MTCN, cash in mail dc# etc)...everything! List is in my hands, it is incredible sight. Do not PM me asking are you on this list, becuase if you did biz with him, you surely are.

Conclusion:

A.P. gave feds password of his email accounts and they know everything!!
I recognize many names and addies, they have never been changed. Please, I beg you: cancel all those addresses, close PO Boxes and take all other necessary measures. Feds most likely won't go after you unless you've been ordering tons of gear and I can see dozens of such clients. They can use your info to go after other sources and that's what is worrying factor.

From this day forward we will be banning on slightest suspicion of someone being associated with LE, we reserve the right not to explain ourselves. 10 mods on this board have banning powers and they have my blessing to shoot on sight.

1 more thing, disclaimer of some sort:



I decided to post this in open and will take all responsabilities. SSB Mods were in no way involved in deciding if this info should be posted or not! I am board administrator and stand behind my decision. No other admin or staff member has anything to do with this. "
   

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why are you posting this here if you are from SSB you already know
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  #3       Yesterday, 08:30 PM 
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why are you posting this here if you are from SSB you already know


maybe cause some of us arent part of SSB
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  #4       Yesterday, 08:45 PM 
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Wow....I'm so glad I never ordered from AP...
   

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Wow....I'm so glad I never ordered from AP...

It doesnt really matter if you ordered from him or not. If you ordered from ANY source.......this is a possible outcome. We all need to lay low.....
   

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  #6       Yesterday, 08:50 PM 
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This is a total mess.
   

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  #7       Yesterday, 08:53 PM 
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There is only one thing i worry about. People singing like parrots. Big buyers from sources usually have a couple sources they order from. Squeeze the shit out of the bulk buyers from AP and who knows what/who will get ratted on......
   

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  #8       Yesterday, 09:19 PM 
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Why is everyone doing this?

Why does everyone feel the need to talk about it? If you ordered..you get the letter etc.
   

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Wow....I'm so glad I never ordered from AP...

same here.
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  #10       Yesterday, 09:22 PM 
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Why is everyone doing this?

Why does everyone feel the need to talk about it? If you ordered..you get the letter etc.

Your right, we shouldnt communicate anything with eachother. Nobody should have said anything about AP or his bust, nobody should say anything about the letters, hell why are we even here.........If im not mistaken..the entire idea of a message board is communication? Or am i wrong?
   

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  #11       Today, 12:49 AM 
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why are you posting this here if you are from SSB you already know


Bro the forum is to share information pertinant to our hobbies, basically the idea is to inform what is happening out there.........there are always a fallout that may spill.......first of all is a remainder to follow all the precautions when ordering, some of us been in the game long time and some times still forget some of the basics while ordering........

Keep safe, been a witch hunt for some times..............
   

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  #12       Today, 01:19 AM 
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Very good post.
   

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  #13       Today, 02:55 AM 
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Im glad I never ordered from AP either and thank god someone hacked my computer and ordered a small order from LS. Oh well, not my fault
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  #14       Today, 04:27 AM 
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the lesson here is...if you get busted, just shut the fuck up! you're going to jail anyway. if you can't do the time, then don't do the crime. just don't be a little "rat" bitch, take it like a man and look out between the bars for a while. your first miranda right is the right to silence...use it. AP is obviously a big pussy, he's gonna do time, i hope it's wearing a snitch jacket.
   

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  #15       Today, 04:39 AM 
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the lesson here is...if you get busted, just shut the fuck up! you're going to jail anyway. if you can't do the time, then don't do the crime. just don't be a little "rat" bitch, take it like a man and look out between the bars for a while. your first miranda right is the right to silence...use it. AP is obviously a big pussy, he's gonna do time, i hope it's wearing a snitch jacket.

Only if this would happen. The truth is......99% of the time people arent going to be willing to face the music to protect someone else. Face time or sing like a parrot about people youve never even met in real life? I can hear the music already..........it sucks, but its the truth. Theres no real consequence for those who choose to rat as nobody has even seen eachother.........
   

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  #16       Today, 07:47 AM 
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Look guys the feds assume some guys are really fucking dumb. Thats why they're sending out letters to claim etc. They don't have the resources and hopefully don't have the inclination, to go after all of the regular guys who are ordering for themselves.

I agree though that all of this has become too risky to be involved in. Just not worth it anymore.
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  #17       Today, 08:46 AM 
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Originally Posted by apventas 
Hey guys just some info that I got in SSB from GYMACE board admin, they are taking matter very serious..............

Quote from GYMACE in Law forum in SSB

http://www.steroidsuperboard.com/boa...howtopic=36918

"All those who did biz with AP since 2005 until now are on this list released by feds.It states your full name, address, board ID and email address in addition to exact date when and what gear was purchased, method of payment (includes MTCN, cash in mail dc# etc)...everything! List is in my hands, it is incredible sight. Do not PM me asking are you on this list, becuase if you did biz with him, you surely are.

Conclusion:

A.P. gave feds password of his email accounts and they know everything!!
I recognize many names and addies, they have never been changed. Please, I beg you: cancel all those addresses, close PO Boxes and take all other necessary measures. Feds most likely won't go after you unless you've been ordering tons of gear and I can see dozens of such clients. They can use your info to go after other sources and that's what is worrying factor.

From this day forward we will be banning on slightest suspicion of someone being associated with LE, we reserve the right not to explain ourselves. 10 mods on this board have banning powers and they have my blessing to shoot on sight.

1 more thing, disclaimer of some sort:



I decided to post this in open and will take all responsabilities. SSB Mods were in no way involved in deciding if this info should be posted or not! I am board administrator and stand behind my decision. No other admin or staff member has anything to do with this. "

You are saying this list is from 2005...but these two threads are saying this list from the feds is from april til now. so which is it???

http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=39398
http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=39410

I wish someone with some cerdability would post as to which it is.
   

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I was wondering the same thing. It sounded at first that it was for collections from April to May. But then you keep hearing 2005. There are guys on here that have said list in hand. Should be easy enough to clarify.
   

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  #19       Today, 10:24 AM 
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what is considered big buyer, $900 or more or $500 and more?.......
   

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what is considered big buyer, $900 or more or $500 and more?.......

Depends if your locals are bored. If the feds don't feel like spending the time on the small fish, the feds WILL contact the locals and let them decide if they wanna mess with you or not.
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ok, i see, i havent gotten a letter or anything but i have never had a package sent to the same house within a year of eachother.
   

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  #22       Today, 11:08 AM 
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LOL! Where did that rule come in? I missed that part of "Legal Muscle".
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  #23       Today, 11:19 AM 
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Look guys the feds assume some guys are really fucking dumb. Thats why they're sending out letters to claim etc. They don't have the resources and hopefully don't have the inclination, to go after all of the regular guys who are ordering for themselves.

I agree though that all of this has become too risky to be involved in. Just not worth it anymore.

the letters are just a formality.. they arent trying to get more people by having people respond.. they have to follow the laws and it states that any parties involved in a seizure have the right to dispute it.. same as if you were arrested with drugs in your car and had 5k on you. you have the right to dispute the funds seized were not drug related etc.. this is a little different cause nobody has been arrested that lost $$.. i would be shocked if that list wasnt forwarded to the local police for the guys that spent some big dollars.. its easy to pick out who was a personal user and who was a dealer..
   

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I was wondering the same thing. It sounded at first that it was for collections from April to May. But then you keep hearing 2005. There are guys on here that have said list in hand. Should be easy enough to clarify.


You would think so. I'm starting to think that some of the people stirring the pot are not who they appear to be. Seems spreading fear and panic would be something that LE would want to do. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, all I'm saying is that until a credible vet or mod clears up the whole "list" thing then something seems fishy.

What are the dates on the list? That should be good enough even.
   

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  #25       Today, 11:47 AM 
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Or better yet, pass out the list. If it's public record, then fine. If not, how does someone have that list? Drug dealers usually don't get federal documents.
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Thanks UDEZ.   

Seems that paranoia is abound....

Makes me wish Rick Collins could comment on this.



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Thanks UDEZ.   

Seems that paranoia is abound....

Makes me wish Rick Collins could comment on this.



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Does RC actively participate in any of the boards

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Does RC actively participate in any of the boards

He reads but rarely comments.



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Steroids are illegal, so it makes sense that people are getting paranoid especially since they are being contacted by LE.  If you werent nervous before, you will be now. This is really starting to spiral....     Good luck to anyone who used him.

[Rimbaud]

I was just reading on SSB & according the them the "list" is only from April 2007 - May/June 2007.

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Steroids are illegal, so it makes sense that people are getting paranoid especially since they are being contacted by LE.  If you werent nervous before, you will be now. This is really starting to spiral....     Good luck to anyone who used him.

I would advise anyone who ordered big to read the Collins book and that way they'll know how to proceed.

Find a lawyer and point out the specifics of what is considered personal vs. distribution amounts.

That will save them in the long run.

That, and have their lawyer consult with Rick Collins if the going gets rough.


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