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Chickens coming home to roost
« on: May 14, 2007, 01:48:16 PM »
An al-Qaida front group that claims it has captured American soldiers warned the United States on Monday to stop searching for them and suggested it attacked the U.S. convoy as revenge for the rape and murder of a local teenager last year...

"You should remember what you have done to our sister Abeer in the same area," the statement said, referring to five American soldiers who were charged in the rape and killing of 14-year-old Abeer Qassim al-Janabi and the killings of her parents and her younger sister last year.

Three soldiers have pleaded guilty in the case — one of the most shocking atrocities committed by U.S. troops in the Iraq war.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070514/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2007, 01:50:02 PM »

So what are you getting here?

War is hell? 

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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2007, 01:55:25 PM »
Almost 1 million soldiers deployed through Iraq..1 rape and murder. How many people got rapped and murdered this weekend in America..how many beheadings...atrocities. .suicide bombing etc etc etc across the Muslim world..how many stonings of pregnant women...I'll stop! ::)
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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2007, 01:57:28 PM »
Every single war in history has this happen. Atrocities are part of the game concerning the brutality of war. This kind of thing will happen, but of course you will have your enemies or whoever, wanting retribution. As the previous poster said, the total amount that has been committed by U.S/Coalition soldiers during the course of this war is pretty low and I hope those that raped that girl get to spend the rest of their lives in Leavenworth.

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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2007, 02:00:28 PM »
And the difference is..our guys willl go on trail and pay for it.
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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2007, 02:00:53 PM »
Almost 1 million soldiers deployed through Iraq..1 rape and murder.

Do you think, in that environment of lawlessness and machine gunnery, every crime committed by an American over there has been reported?

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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2007, 02:05:39 PM »
Yeah...bro i'm telling u..unless its a huge pitched battle..u can't get away with shit. Don't take it from me or the friggen net..talk to some guys from over there. Everybody will have their stories but by inlarge..this is not Vietnam. U gotta account for rounds...everybody knows where u are etc.
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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2007, 02:05:47 PM »
Almost 1 million soldiers deployed through Iraq..1 rape and murder. How many people got rapped and murdered this weekend in America..how many beheadings...atrocities. .suicide bombing etc etc etc across the Muslim world..how many stonings of pregnant women...I'll stop! ::)
and how many of their lovely young girls do they BLOW THE F UP at markets each day with suicide bombers.
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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2007, 02:08:12 PM »
Almost 1 million soldiers deployed through Iraq..1 rape and murder. How many people got rapped and murdered this weekend in America..how many beheadings...atrocities. .suicide bombing etc etc etc across the Muslim world..how many stonings of pregnant women...I'll stop! ::)


you think THAT ws the ONLY rape and murder? 

r there faires at the end of your garden also?
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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2007, 02:11:46 PM »
Unless your going provide news stories(reputable)..physical evidence..any proof..all it is is stories. Nobody comes back from there saying its a rapefest. I'm surrounded by hundreds of them.
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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2007, 02:56:49 PM »
So what are you getting at here?

That when these soldiers turn up tortured and murdered [as history suggests they will], we won't be able to say shit about it - because Arabs we've abducted have also ended up tortured and murdered.

Things used to be different.

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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2007, 03:20:16 PM »
Abducted? Explain. I'm not calling you out, just asking for clarification. Are you speacking of 'detaining' or 'arresting' suspected terrorists? Or just out and out kidnapping and torture for no better reason than to do it?
And remember, the Iraqi Army also does its own searches and raids etc and are predominantly Shiite.

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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2007, 04:03:56 PM »
Abducted? Explain. I'm not calling you out, just asking for clarification.

Well, one man's "abducted" is another man's "detained", I suppose. It all depends which side of the bars you're on.  :)

The common theme is "apprehended without warning and held against one's will".

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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2007, 04:07:54 PM »
# 7 US Operatives Torture Detainees to Death in Afghanistan and Iraq

Sources:

American Civil Liberties Website, October 24, 2005
Title: “US Operatives Killed Detainees During Interrogations in Afghanistan and Iraq”

Tom Dispatch.com, March 5, 2006
Title: “Tracing the Trail of Torture: Embedding Torture as Policy from Guantanamo to Iraq”
Author: Dahr Jamail

Faculty Evaluator: Rabi Michael Robinson
Student Researchers: Michael B Januleski Jr. and Jessica Rodas

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) released documents of forty-four autopsies held in Afghanistan and Iraq October 25, 2005. Twenty-one of those deaths were listed as homicides. The documents show that detainees died during and after interrogations by Navy SEALs, Military Intelligence, and Other Government Agency (OGA).
“These documents present irrefutable evidence that U.S. operatives tortured detainees to death during interrogation,” said Amrit Singh, an attorney with the ACLU. “The public has a right to know who authorized the use of torture techniques and why these deaths have been covered up.”

The Department of Defense released the autopsy reports in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by the ACLU, the Center for Constitutional Rights, Physicians for Human Rights, Veterans for Common Sense, and Veterans for Peace.

One of forty-four U.S. military autopsy reports reads as follows: “Final Autopsy Report: DOD 003164, (Detainee) Died as a result of asphyxia (lack of oxygen to the brain) due to strangulation as evidenced by the recently fractured hyoid bone in the neck and soft tissue hemorrhage extending downward to the level of the right thyroid cartilage. Autopsy revealed bone fracture, rib fractures, contusions in mid abdomen, back and buttocks extending to the left flank, abrasions, lateral buttocks. Contusions, back of legs and knees; abrasions on knees, left fingers and encircling to left wrist. Lacerations and superficial cuts, right 4th and 5th fingers. Also, blunt force injuries, predominately recent contusions (bruises) on the torso and lower extremities. Abrasions on left wrist are consistent with use of restraints. No evidence of defense injuries or natural disease. Manner of death is homicide. Whitehorse Detainment Facility, Nasiriyah, Iraq.”
Another report from the ACLU indicates: “a 27-year-old Iraqi male died while being interrogated by Navy Seals on April 5, 2004, in Mosul, Iraq. During his confinement he was hooded, flex-cuffed, sleep deprived and subjected to hot and cold environmental conditions, including the use of cold water on his body and head. The exact cause of death was ‘undetermined’ although the autopsy stated that hypothermia may have contributed to his death.”
An overwhelming majority of the so-called “natural deaths” covered in the autopsies were attributed to “arteriosclerotic cardiovascular disease” (heart attack). Persons under extreme stress and pain may have heart attacks as a result of the circumstances of their detainments.

The Associated Press carried the story of the ACLU charges on their wire service. However, a thorough check of LexisNexis and ProQuest electronic data bases, using the keywords ACLU and autopsy, showed that at least 95 percent of the daily papers in the U.S. did not bother to pick up the story. The Los Angeles Times covered the story on page A4 with a 635-word report headlined “Autopsies Support Abuse Allegations.” Fewer than a dozen other daily newspapers including: Bangor Daily News, Maine, page 8; Telegraph-Herald, Dubuque, Iowa, page 6; Charleston Gazette, page 5; Advocate, Baton Rouge, page 11; and a half dozen others actually covered the story. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Seattle Times buried the story inside general Iraq news articles. USA Today posted the story on their website. MSNBC posted the story to their website, but apparently did not consider it newsworthy enough to air on television.
Janis Karpinski, U.S. Brigadier General Commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade, was in charge of seventeen prison facilities in Iraq during the Abu Ghraib scandal in 2003. Karpinski testified January 21, 2006 in New York City at the International Commission of Inquiry on Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush administration. Karpinski stated: “General [Ricardo] Sanchez [commander of coalition ground forces in Iraq] signed the eight-page memorandum authorizing a laundry list of harsh techniques in interrogations to include specific use of dogs and muzzled dogs with his specific permission.” Karpinski went on to claim that Major General Geoffrey Miller, who had been “specifically selected by the Secretary of Defense to go to Guantanamo Bay and run the interrogations operations,” was dispatched to Iraq by the Bush administration to “work with the military intelligence personnel to teach them new and improved interrogation techniques.” When asked how far up the chain of command responsibility for the torture orders for Abu Ghraib went, Karpinski said, “The Secretary of Defense would not have authorized without the approval of the Vice President.”

UPDATE BY DAHR JAMAIL
This story, published in March 2006, was merely a snapshot of the ongoing and worsening policy of the Bush administration regarding torture. And not just time, but places show snapshots of the criminal policy of the current administration—Iraq, like Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, Bagram Air Force Base in Afghanistan, and other “secret” U.S. military detention centers in Eastern European countries are physical examples of an ongoing policy which breaches both international law and our very constitution.

But breaking international and domestic law has not been a concern of an administration led by a “president” who has claimed “authority” to disobey over 750 laws passed by Congress. In fact, when this same individual does things like signing a secret order in 2002 which authorized the National Security Agency to violate the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by wiretapping the phones of U.S. citizens, and then goes on to allow the secret collection of the telephone records of tens of millions of Americans, torture is but one portion of this corrupted picture. This is a critical ongoing story, not just because it violates international and domestic law, but this state-sanctioned brutality, bankrupt of any morality and decency, is already coming back home to haunt Americans. When U.S. soldiers are captured in Iraq or another foreign country, what basis does the U.S. have now to ask for their fair and humane treatment? And with police brutality and draconian “security” measures becoming more real within the U.S. with each passing day, why wouldn’t these policies be visited upon U.S. citizens?

While torture is occasionally glimpsed by mainstream media outlets such as the Washington Post and Time Magazine, we must continue to rely on groups like the Center for Constitutional Rights in New York City, Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International who cover the subject thoroughly, persistently, and unlike (of course) any corporate media outlets.
Since I wrote this story, there continues to be a deluge of information and proof of the Bush administration continuing and even widening their policy of torture, as well as their rendering prisoners to countries which have torturing human beings down to a science.

All of this, despite the fact that U.S. laws prohibit torture absolutely, clearly stating that torture is never, ever permitted, even in a time of war.

To stay current on this critical topic, please visit the following websites regularly:
http://www.amnesty.org/
http://www.hrw.org/
http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/home.asp

http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2007/

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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2007, 07:14:18 PM »
Almost 1 million soldiers deployed through Iraq..1 rape and murder. How many people got rapped and murdered this weekend in America..how many beheadings...atrocities. .suicide bombing etc etc etc across the Muslim world..how many stonings of pregnant women...I'll stop! ::)

I thought the number was closer to around about 150,000.

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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2007, 07:21:29 PM »
I don't think just because the other side behaves badly that excuses our bad behaviour, but some may see it differently.

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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2007, 06:52:22 AM »
The problem is that the US is trying to sell this world to the world. Bad PR is not what they want, you know shit like this happens in every war, but when you project the image of the morally correct liberator these kinds of incidents become very iffy.

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Re: Chickens coming home to roost
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2007, 07:30:53 AM »
The US military has not tried to protray..through PR as being morally correct..just highly trained. When u have almost a million guys rotate through an area fromn 2003-2007..u will have incidents. They have been very few.
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