Bob Chick - Athlete's Representative?

[Al-Gebra]

Just be prepared for what may come your way and watch your back around you know who.

I knew Lord Voldemort was mixed up in this somehow.

[chaos]

No fool, Milos already put himself and the ifbb in bad light. How is your jaw? CT messed you up pretty good eh

you coming to the seminar?

Truth always shows itself.  I always watch my back I learned from experience.

I believe so, and I don't think we are seeing the truth from certain people on here.

I knew Lord Voldemort was mixed up in this somehow.

You're not supposed to say that name out loud. You're in deep shit buddy!!

[Stark]

I mean guys.... Somebody is clearly not telling the truth here, we are way beyond the point of confusion.

[sgt. d]

you coming to the seminar?

I believe so, and I don't think we are seeing the truth from certain people on here.

You're not supposed to say that name out loud. You're in deep shit buddy!!

Sorry I'm not coming to the seminar. I doubt no more than 10 people will be there.

[Vince B]

This is an important thread. Why? Because it involves a current top 5 bodybuilder and another who placed high recently. Bob is unelected. Let the IFBB deal with Melvin's complaint. I salute Melvin, Lee, Milos and others who speak out and say what is going on. Somehow the truth will be revealed and the consequences will fall as they will. I enjoyed Melvin's comments at the last Olympia and he seemed to say what others were thinking but too afraid to say anything. In other words, the men mentioned have integrity and that gives them confidence to speak out.

[MattT]

Well there some pics posted on the boards that were not taken by AMI.  So BOB and Shawn talked to Silvio before prejudging and said he was going to possibly lose his contract.  He was devastated myself and milos had to get his morale up to go out there and do battle.  Then onstage as the awards were passed out Shawn told Silvio if he was with who he was supposed to be with he would have placed higher.  At dinner after the show me and Silvio prdered pizza in the restaurant and Shawn text Silvio saying he could not help him with the contract.  Now after Milos paid for a place to stay when he got to fullerton let him stay at his house for 6weeks helped with his contract etc etc BOB and Shawn talked him into not going to Milos Seminar.  These kind of antics should not be presented by a Rep even though Bob aint my Rep.  IFBB athletes should respected and supprted not bullied.  That is why I am asking for him to be removed from this so called position.

Marvelous

I think its fair to say that was not the best thing to tell Silvio right before he got on stage. As a matter of fact why couldn't they discuss this with him after the show? I think Bob does a good job as rep, but not everyone's perfect, and he may have slipped up with the Silvio situation.  I just want to know why Shawn is discussing personal contractual issues with IFBB pro's when he's not the athlete rep?

[sgt. d]

This is an important thread. Why? Because it involves a current top 5 bodybuilder and another who placed high recently. Bob is unelected. Let the IFBB deal with Melvin's complaint. I salute Melvin, Lee, Milos and others who speak out and say what is going on. Somehow the truth will be revealed and the consequences will fall as they will. I enjoyed Melvin's comments at the last Olympia and he seemed to say what others were thinking but too afraid to say anything. In other words, the men mentioned have integrity and that gives them confidence to speak out.

lol nobody cares what you think. Take your little ducky in the water and swim away Mr. Canada

[sgt. d]

Oh that's a good one!

I'm making a list of all the hollow and meaningless retorts I can get. They'll come in handy when I want to argue like a moron.

I see you are still following me around. We can do this all day. It is 1:00am here and Im just getting started. Keepem coming

[Chick]

Idont have to draw up any conclusions Bob i was at the show and with silvio, dennis j, and dennis wolf all weekend.  What you should have done was encourage Silvio to get focused on his show and not worry about what is going on around him till after the show.  Further more my friendship with Milos is neither here nor there.  You do not speak for me.  And as I am going to make a formal complaint to the IFBB.  Personal attacks ongoing against any athlete in the IFBB including yourself is unexcused.  If you gonna try to be a rep get voted in until then you dont speak for me I got my own mouth.  As far as Silvio is concerned let me go record ststing that Milos goes out of his way for people and it is normal to pay him. I myself have paid him 10% of my earnings.  You have paid chad I am sure at some point.  That is how it goes.  If you wanna be Rep positive no matter what!  Attacks on Milos or anyone else puts the IFBB in a bad light.  I dont like it one bit.  Make sure you send me your number to my message board on this site.  I have no problem speaking to ya.

Marvelous  

You posted what I said...but did you bother to READ it?

You tell me what I SHOULD have done, yet, I did EXACTLY that...as I stated.

I don't attack Milos, and certainly not personally...you've got me confused with Shawn. Shawn and Milos have been going at it for some time...I've shown the same respect to Milos as he has shown me as we DEBATE certain topics.

I acted on Silvio's behalf to insure he didn't get docked a months pay...and he didn't. SILVIO asked for my help.

Make all the formal complaints you want...Just what IS the complaint?

[Milos_Sarcev]

I have always said that if someone wants to become the IFBB athletes rep, then declare that they want to be, and start collecting the votes. It is easy to talk, but being in that position is a tough position. So far, no IFBB pro men's bodybuilder has wanted to challenge Bob for the positions.  But Bob so far has been the one to take responsibility for it, and has done a good job. Still, Melvin is quite interesting - hmm.. have any inspirations for a position.  See you at the seminar!

#1 Bob was NEVER CHOSEN BY THE ATHLETES... Nobody voted for him... nobody wanted him... but he got the position as it was supposedly posted on IFBB.COM and nobody cared to look and somehow Bob did find out that maybe he should check the site and click on the link: "wanna be IFBB athletes rep" click here...

Since he became our rep - he has been doing exclusively what HE WANTS or what "he was ordered to want"... Never ONCE he got our votes about ANYTHING... and the only voting he started on board: "vote YES to stop judging the posing round" was easily stopped by my " vote HELL NO to stop judging the posing round"...

I am sure some of you remember - we were going back and forth about this - and along the way Bob showed his true colors... as arrogant and beyond cocky - as he was in "power position" and ready to "rule"...

As he was proudly announcing his victory I asked him for a list of majority of pros - as I collected my list of the pros who would vote against him...

He than changed his whole concept of informing pros about what he is going to do for us - and started "voting" during his well organized athletes meetings where only 5-6 people would show up - and he would easily convince them to vote FOR whatever he wants to change.

So, 5-6 pros who would attend this meetings would count for MAJORITY OF THE IFBB PROS!!!! This is how he operates...and this is how all the changes occurred so far!

If this is not SCAM I don't know what is....

Unfortunately, he is counting on sad truth that most of the pros don't care...and they do not want to be involved - so he takes advantage of this situation and decides for all of us!

Well, I think it's about time to start asking questions. 

I would like to see YEARLY REPORT OF ALL CHANGES which occurred during Bob's term...

I would also like to see a list of people (IFBB pros) who agreed with him and voted FOR that particular change.

He needs to be accountable for what he does IN THE NAME OF ALL IFBB PROS.

We did not choose him...and he needs to start INFORMING ALL OF US...

Melvin started this thread - and we can use it to express our opinions.

I hope other pros will get involved.

[Ron]

Bob was NEVER CHOSEN BY THE ATHLETES... Nobody voted for him... nobody wanted him... but he got the position as it was supposedly posted on IFBB.COM

When Shawn stepped down, there was an informal group that was helping him, or what was somehow called a committee. Bob was one of those members. No one wanted the athlete's rep position. Bob took it. So far, everyone that has complained has not wanted the position, simple as that.

Since he became our rep - he has been doing exclusively what HE WANTS or what "he was ordered to want"... Never ONCE he got our votes about ANYTHING. he is counting on sad truth that most of the pros don't care

It would be great if pros got involved. It really would. When Bob had his meetings, he prepared a lot of things, but not too many people came. They didnt have time, they didnt want to rock the boat, they didnt care, excuses. Bob means well for the bodybuilders. You don't have to be biased to see that.

We did not choose him...and he needs to start INFORMING ALL OF US...

Bob does inform, via posts on the web, via emails, etc.  Milos, how would you like it to be informed.

[Vince B]

Milos, this is like arguing with a guy who has the microphone in a public meeting. There is no way you can win this 'debate'. Yes, bodybuilders instinctively know they must not do the wrong thing or they won't win any shows. Since Paul Graham has been running the IFBB in Australia from 1972+ I have had to tell the lads who train at my gym not to say they train there because we felt that might affect their placing. I certainly don't trust Paul Graham who put me last in a contest in 1975. The guy has no integrity. How come he still represents Australia? He can't be removed.

Many here will say I should stop living in the past. Heck, I retired from competition in 1975 but Paul is still running contests. Whatever the IFBB do they sure stick together. There is no accountability in that organization except to the brass who run it. Bob C is obviously a hapless pawn in that show.

[AVBG]

The sad fact most pro's are lazy SOB's that take the attitude, "if it doesn't directly impact on me..I don't care".. Bob does care, everybody can see that.. its a shame that most pro's couldn't organise fvck in a brothel.

[Milos_Sarcev]

If they don't feel that way, let them push to become the Athlete's Rep.  Don't call bullshit on a discussion... discuss things. As for Lee Priest, he would be a great Athlete's rep for the PDI. Let's push Lee to become that, as he has indicated he doesn't want to be a part of the IFBB. It was his choice.

But Bob did a good job. You may not like it, but he does try and I have seen it with meetings for the athletes, talking to the athletes, pushing ammendments at IFBB meetings, and much more.  Shawn himself knows how hard it is to be the Athlete's rep.

Bob did a good job according to who? Bob?
What do you consider a good job Ron?

He NEVER informed majority of the pros about changes and amendments he was asking for.

Those are ALL his personal changes and amendments NEVER APPROVED OR VOTED FOR BY THE ATHLETES.

He used voting at his meetings (where hardly half dozen of pros would show up...if that?) as sufficient support group to make necessary changes...?

I unequivocally claim that MAJORITY of the athletes HAD NO CLUE  about any changes or amendments ever even being proposed!

That's a SHAME...and you are calling it "good job"?

Bob is disgrace and literally a TRADER...as he betrayed all of us - using this position to get what HE and not what WE wanted!

And that's a fact!

His "side kick" Shawn impotent enough to do anything by himself - while in position of the rep who was actually chosen by us (my mistake to push numerous pros to vote for him) - stepped down - as even he realized how worthless he was - now finds himself important next to Bob...and all you can here is me and Bob, Bob and me...me and me...



Those two clowns need to step down - IMMEDIATELY.

[Chick]

#1 Bob was NEVER CHOSEN BY THE ATHLETES...Nobody voted for him...nobody wanted him...but he got the position as it was supposedly posted on IFBB.COM and nobody cared to look and somehow Bob did find out that maybe he should check the site and click on the link:
"wanna be IFBB athletes rep" click here...

Since he became our rep - he has been doing exclusively what HE WANTS or what "he was ordered to want"...
Never ONCE he got our votes about ANYTHING...and the only voting he started on board: "vote YES to stop judging the posing round" was easily stopped by my " vote HELL NO to stop judging the posing round"...

I am sure some of you remember - we were going back and forth about this - and along the way Bob showed his true colors...as arrogant and beyond cocky - as he was in "power position" and ready to "rule"...

As he was proudly announcing his victory I asked him for a list of majority of pros - as I collected my list of the pros who would vote against him...

He than changed his whole concept of informing pros about what he is going to do for us - and started "voting" during his well organized athletes meetings where only 5-6 people would show up - and he would easily convince them to vote FOR whatever he wants to change.

So, 5-6 pros who would attend this meetings would count for MAJORITY OF THE IFBB PROS!!!!

This is how he operates...and this is how all the changes occurred so far!

If this is not SCAM I don't know what is....

It's not my fault that Pro's have little interest in what goes on...thats why we had no voice for YEARS. I organized 4 meetings before ANYTHING was changed or presented to the IFBB...the attendance was little to none. Plenty of notice was given, posting of the meeting and times, best time and location possible for as many to attend that wished to....

I passed athletes hanging out in the BAR area that didn't bother to walk a few feet to the meeting room despite knowing of it going on...AGAIN...this was before anything was done.

BTW...where were YOU, Milos? Don't recall you attending...you showed up ONCE and bitched the whole time.


Unfortunately, he is counting on sad truth that most of the pros don't care...and they do not want to be involved - so he takes advantage of this situation and decides for all of us!

You admit that most pro's dont care...you are correct. They don't care and dont attend meetings to voice opinions, give input....so I make decisions as their REP.



Well, I think it's about time to start asking questions.

I would like to see YEARLY REPORT OF ALL CHANGES which occurred during Bob's term...

Great...you can check out the past 3-4 meetings and the minutes posted, they are all available at www.IFBB.com

I would also like to see a list of people (IFBB pros) who agreed with him and voted FOR that particular change.

Dont have one to show you

He needs to be accountable for what he does IN THE NAME OF ALL IFBB PROS.

We did not choose him...and he needs to start INFORMING ALL OF US...

Everyone IS informed as I've posted the minutes from EVERY meeting right here on Getbig for all the world and pro's to see...

so far, still no complaints about making more money, more qualifying spots, the ability to make appearances at non sanctioned shows, free tickets for pro's, choice of tickets for pro's at the Olympia, Group health insurance available to all IFBB pro's, non declaration rule for the women, increased comparisons, guarantee from IFBB to cover purse from promoter, etc, etc...

Still have yet to receive a single complaint (other than you Milos)...no emails, no PM's, no carrier pidgeons, smoke signals, or people coming up to me at the shows....I have received numerous emails thanking me for making a difference and initiating change and helping out many athletes in reguards to contracts, advices, and getting work for just as many...Melvin started this thread - and we can use it to express our opinions.

I hope other pros will get involved.

I hope other pro's will get involved also....as I have for the past 2 years. Still waiting.

[Chick]

Bob did a good job according to who? Bob?
What do you consider a good job Ron?

He NEVER informed majority of the pros about changes and amendments he was asking for.

Those are ALL his personal changes and amendments NEVER APPROVED OR VOTED FOR BY THE ATHLETES.

He used voting at his meetings (where hardly half dozen of pros would show up...if that?) as sufficient support group to make necessary changes...?

I unequivocally claim that MAJORITY of the athletes HAD NO CLUE  about any changes or amendments ever even being proposed!

That's a SHAME...and you are calling it "good job"?

Bob is disgrace and literally a TRADER...as he betrayed all of us - using this position to get what HE and not what WE wanted!

And that's a fact!

His "side kick" Shawn impotent enough to do anything by himself - while in position of the rep who was actually chosen by us (my mistake to push numerous pros to vote for him) - stepped down - as even he realized how worthless he was - now finds himself important next to Bob...and all you can here is me and Bob, Bob and me...me and me...



Those two clowns need to step down - IMMEDIATELY.

You can call me names all you want...If you think it makes a better argument, or makes you appear more intelligent.

[Vince B]

Ron, being an athlete rep wouldn't be that difficult. First and foremost one would have to find out what the athletes think and feel about the sport and if any issues are current. People could be reached via mail, email, phone calls and text messages. The rep would have to be given a budget to do the job. If there is a vote required for an issue it would be possible to get a vote via the means mentioned. Clearly, the competitors either are too busy at contests to attend meetings or don't want to get involved one way or other. If Bob is doing his job and counting just a few who show up then that is not going to represent what the pros think or want.

Everytime Bob posts he spells out what his job is and what he can or should do. It is obvious he can't do much. We saw him incapable of representing Lee last year. His excuse? Bob said he can't represent only one person. What a lame excuse. Bob was the prawn in this mess. Lee got suspended and comes to this forum pissed off at the IFBB. Hardly anyone blames Lee. Lee is simply the scapegoat and example of what happens if you go against the IFBB. Bob was totally helpless to do anything except warn Lee about his suspension.

Milos seems to represent a lot of the competitors who train with him or ask for his advice. From what I have read here he would make a far better rep than Bob. Of course, if Milos is suspended then he can't be in the IFBB. This whole sad business is a circus. They need new blood in the IFBB. The new president has either done little or can't do anything. In the meantime, controversy reigns and it is business as usual. When the fans keep getting disappointed who gets the blame? The IFBB.

[Milos_Sarcev]

When Shawn stepped down, there was an informal group that was helping him, or what was somehow called a committee. Bob was one of those members. No one wanted the athlete's rep position. Bob took it. So far, everyone that has complained has not wanted the position, simple as that.

It would be great if pros got involved. It really would. When Bob had his meetings, he prepared a lot of things, but not too many people came. They didnt have time, they didnt want to rock the boat, they didnt care, excuses. Bob means well for the bodybuilders. You don't have to be biased to see that.

Bob does inform, via posts on the web, via emails, etc.  Milos, how would you like it to be informed.

Ron - you are sure that no one wanted the athlete's rep position?
Somebody asked me? Pavol Jablonicky? Jaroslav Horvat? Gian Enrico Pica? Dennis James? Ernie Taylor? Eddie Abbew? Markus Ruhl?...should I go on?

Bob does inform via posts on the web?
Where? Here on GETBIG official IFBB pro website where we have every single pro reading and posting?

Via EMAILS?
 
Can we have a list so maybe we can all be in contact with each other?

Bob does it (as he so proudly said) HIS WAY...
Which is I'll whisper and hope that nobody hears anything...and as nobody complained I'll take they all agree with me - thus I will make amendments and changes in athletes behalf's...all day long...every day...all year...every year...etc...

[Chick]

Ron, being an athlete rep wouldn't be that difficult. First and foremost one would have to find out what the athletes think and feel about the sport and if any issues are current. People could be reached via mail, email, phone calls and text messages. The rep would have to be given a budget to do the job. If there is a vote required for an issue it would be possible to get a vote via the means mentioned. Clearly, the competitors either are too busy at contests to attend meetings or don't want to get involved one way or other. If Bob is doing his job and counting just a few who show up then that is not going to represent what the pros think or want.

Everytime Bob posts he spells out what his job is and what he can or should do. It is obvious he can't do much. We saw him incapable of representing Lee last year. His excuse? Bob said he can't represent only one person. What a lame excuse. Bob was the prawn in this mess. Lee got suspended and comes to this forum pissed off at the IFBB. Hardly anyone blames Lee. Lee is simply the scapegoat and example of what happens if you go against the IFBB. Bob was totally helpless to do anything except warn Lee about his suspension.

Milos seems to represent a lot of the competitors who train with him or ask for his advice. From what I have read here he would make a far better rep than Bob. Of course, if Milos is suspended then he can't be in the IFBB. This whole sad business is a circus. They need new blood in the IFBB. The new president has either done little or can't do anything. In the meantime, controversy reigns and it is business as usual. When the fans keep getting disappointed who gets the blame? The IFBB.

Get your facts straight....I never said I couldn't represent Lee as an individual. I said, I couldn't put through a proposal based on ONE guy wanting to compete in a rival federation, not one other pro was interested....ZERO...as evidenced by the overwhelming 2 that ended up going at a later time.

Just what did you expect me to do for him? The IFBB knew full well his stance, and Lee never asked for my help anyway.

Stay out of it, you are as clueless as they come.

[ja351]

Chick, you said Milos attended 1 meeting and according to you BITCHED the whole time?

So as far as your concerned he was bitching and not wanting to make changes?

Maybe I missed something, but you say you want input, but when you get it....its just bitching.

[willie mosconi]

Titus wanted Melvin to join in an orgy?? and punched him when he said no??? that dude has issues...

understatement of the year

[Milos_Sarcev]

You can call me names all you want...If you think it makes a better argument, or makes you appear more intelligent.

I called you names I believe you most certainly deserve.
Why would that make me appear more intelligent?

If you think your question makes a better argument or makes YOU appear more intelligent I will continue with:

TRAITOR - as you are betraying all the pros who have no clue what you are doing for them...
Doing something behind their backs and making decisions for someone WITHOUT INFORMING THEM FIRST is perfect example of a traitor/you!

By doing that you are DISGRACE...

And certainly CLOWN comment was more directed to Shawn...but as you are becoming Shawn with the speed of light (300000 km/s) you are already a CLOWN yourself!

[Fulgorre]

Our best hope is another organization for the athletes to compete in.  The IFBB, I am sad to say , reminds of the mafia back in it's glory days.  They scam, fix shows (Asia games recently), & completely control the Athlete's Rep like a puppet on a string.  The bodybuilders are put on a payroll, which is barely enough to live on, so they are more accountable to Godfather Weider.  If you do something against the family or speak out against it, a message is sent to this bodybuilder to straighten up.  Some examples- Silivio style (inform him moments before a show he may lose his contract), Milos style (make up something to punish him for trying to get the family's judges to do their jobs), or Lee Priest style (threaten companies who might give him an endorsement).  It is very similar to how the mob COULD influence boxing matches in the past.  Normally, the boxing match would be judged fairly.  However, from time to time, a match was scored for a certain boxer in order for the mob to make money or to punish someone.

Melvin will most likely be punished for speaking out.   I hope not but...this is the IFBB we are talking about here.  I'm still hoping the PDI or another organization will come along and clean house.  There is really no way to fix the IFBB at this point due to the level upon level of corruption.  It would be like trying to take corruption and dishonesty out of the state government in New Jersey.  

[phyxsius]

i want to know if shawn paid the sales taxes due on the housefull of furniture he sold. if not, he's in trouble.

don't worry.. He'll put his mom in jail again while he's out there destroying other people's life and his mom as well

[genom]

Bob do you have email? I need to speak with you about the IFBB president in Israel - I already tried to send it to IFBB international email but they didnt respond to me
please PM me the email