Bob Chick - Athlete's Representative?

[Vince B]

Hey, Dorkeroo, how are the medical studies going? I saw your post so appreciate what you said. You sum up what is going on here and others agree with you. Beats me why they delete some opinions and not others.

The very last thing Ron should want here is to be biased in favour of those who represent the IFBB. If he does that or is seen to be doing that then the openness of this board evaporates instantly.

[Chick]

So this is really all about Milos, and the "powers that be" settling a score.  (which has been our point from the beginning)

Poor Silvio was used as a human ping-pong ball because Milos was on the "bad" list.

Of course, had he been working with a trainer AMI likes, they'd have no problem whastoever with a few snaps on a non-commercial website, which is a double standard and total bullshit.

What "powers that be"??

Milos is ALSO under contract with AMI...has been for many years. He also gets paid for use of his gym for photo shoots. If AMI didn't "like" Milos, they could have dropped him a long time ago....

[Vince B]

"For some reason he feels better insulting rather than just maintaining a semblance of professionalism. Don't take it personally Vince, Chick is just a dick on these boards."

I know this place is not a level playing field. I have been treated fairly well by the moderators. I have to watch what I post because I am responsible for every statement I make here. I am not an anonymous character posting just to stir people up.

I think Bob has a lot on his plate and sure gets a roasting for things the IFBB does that are not popular. Why would anyone continue to accept a position like that? Oh, it would help if the guy was oblivious but he knows the score and pulls out his bag of dirty tricks to try to diminish or silence what others say that he doesn't approve of.

When you think about it how many known individuals speak their minds here on the internet? Not many at all. Milos, Lee, Chick and Shawn, plus Keith in Hawaii. Everyone else stays under the radar.

What I sense is that so many control freaks get involved in bodybuilding and tell the sheep bodybuilders what to do. It explains why guys like me and Milos aren't invited to be part of that organization. They don't want individuals who think for themselves and who have integrity. Look at who the officials are. No wonder bodybuilding is so controversial. There are good people involved in bodybuilding but I do know a few that I do not approve of.

[onlyme]

Anyone under contract has the same rules to follow...pictures taken BEFORE they signed a contract aren't a concern. If a contracted athlete knowingly does a photo shoot, interview without consent of AMI...then they would be given the same response...and it has happened as I know personally, warnings have been issued to a handful of athletes...most know better.

Chic this is a rule that you need to get thrown out.  This is one of the most blatant attempts to monopolize I have ever seen.  They are ruining the lives of the people you say you represent.  Imagine this, Tennis Illustrated not letting any tennis players pictures appear in Sport Illustrated or Sport or other mag.  Imagine any athlete or actor or celebrity being restricted to what publications they can appear in.  My god how can this happen.  I get more and more pissed when I read shit like this.  I can't see why anyone would allow people like this to control their lives.  How about the internet.  Everyones pics are on there.  Again, proof the IFBB sucks as does all their executives.  You really need to fix this Chic.  I just hope you see where it is hurting the same people you say you represent.

[willie mosconi]

Chic this is a rule that you need to get thrown out.  This is one of the most blatant attempts to monopolize I have ever seen.  They are ruining the lives of the people you say you represent.  Imagine this, Tennis Illustrated not letting any tennis players pictures appear in Sport Illustrated or Sport or other mag.  Imagine any athlete or actor or celebrity being restricted to what publications they can appear in.  My god how can this happen.  I get more and more pissed when I read shit like this.  I can't see why anyone would allow people like this to control their lives.  How about the internet.  Everyones pics are on there.  Again, proof the IFBB sucks as does all their executives.  You really need to fix this Chic.  I just hope you see where it is hurting the same people you say you represent.

you are really making sense here onlyme. seriously, the more i think about it, the more it sounds like bullshit to me too

[Fulgorre]

The sad part is, you cave-in to authority no matter if it is wrong.  There is no way in the world you agree with the way the IFBB controls your life and the others.  I just can't see it.  What I admire about Milos and Lee is that they stand there saying what they feel and they stand behind it 100% even if it means losing money.  That is exactly how I am.  I have lost so much money its ridiculous and my friends always tell me how stupid I have been.  But, if I believe in something or I think something is being done wrong I will do what I can to change it no matter what happens.  I have lost very big jobs and very big deals because I just can't do something I don't believe in.  I can't.  It is easy for me to make money.  I have done it for allot of years.  There are times when I have allot of money and times I have hardly any money.  But I always find a way to get back on my feet. 

I'd rather struggle financially than have to sacrifice my integrity like Chic does and others in the IFBB.  The problem is 99% of the pros make their ONLY income from BB.  That is where they went wrong.  They have nothing to fall back on.  So they have to kiss ass and do what they are told or they make no money.  Lee has things to fall back on and so does Milos.  That gives the the freedom to say what they want and stand behind it.  That is a luxury that not many others have in the IFBB.

You are exactly right.  See...we are have this terminal diease called LIFE.  We are going to die.  Chick isn't going to get another chance.  None of us are going to get another chance.  So we best live our lives with some degree of honesty, respect, and self-worth.  What if this type of thing was going in the NFL???...er better exampe is the Ms. America pagent.

[Milos_Sarcev]

After reading this thread, I realized 2 things:

(1) Most Pro bodybuilders are lazy.  They complain about Bob, but they have no desire to do anything about it.  I still haven't seen one other pro come forward and say they want to be the athlete's rep.  After all of this complaining, I should hope to see MILOS challenging Bob at the next election.  The truth is BOB is the best athletes rep out there because there is no one else.  Whatever he's accomplished it better than what anyone else has-- which is NOTHING!

(2) Silvio has an exclusive contract with AMI/WEIDER that forbids him to shoot with anyone else except them.  He gets paid well to adhere to this contract.  He willingly signed this contract; therefore, if he can't follow the rules, he should be subject to penalties.  No one forced him to sign the contract, and I'm certain tha MILOS didn't put a gun to his head to make him take the unauthorized photos.  I have no sympathy for ignorance.  

1) YES, I am challenging Bob for this position...

2) Whatever Bob has accomplished is certainly NOT better than NOTHING...
Changes are steps back and not foreword thus his accomplishment is NEGATIVE...(ZERO is certainly better than MINUS )

[Vince B]

Good for you, Milos, your integrity shines here. Those who don't own a gym have no idea how hard it is to stay in business and keep your members happy. You know what is going on re contests and the IFBB because lots of bodybuilders tell you what they think. Bob might mean well but his integrity went out the window long ago.

What makes you think you can get things done in the IFBB? Surely that is a hard nut to crack? I suppose if you can get a consensus re bodybuilders then that will have an effect. Assuming you are successful in your campaign. Do you have a campaign manager? 

[MattT]

Really? How many times has Milos posted pictures of other bodybuilders who had contracts and nothing was said?

This was an exclusive contract to Silvio, so im guessing they made this clause specifically for him.. Not all contracts are the same..  I don't agree  that they should prohibit Milos from posting his pics on his site, i don't think Silvio would be were he is today, if Milos hadn't taken him under his wing..

[gordiano]

The sad part is, you cave-in to authority no matter if it is wrong.  There is no way in the world you agree with the way the IFBB controls your life and the others.  I just can't see it.  What I admire about Milos and Lee is that they stand there saying what they feel and they stand behind it 100% even if it means losing money.  That is exactly how I am.  I have lost so much money its ridiculous and my friends always tell me how stupid I have been.  But, if I believe in something or I think something is being done wrong I will do what I can to change it no matter what happens.  I have lost very big jobs and very big deals because I just can't do something I don't believe in.  I can't.  It is easy for me to make money.  I have done it for allot of years.  There are times when I have allot of money and times I have hardly any money.  But I always find a way to get back on my feet. 

I'd rather struggle financially than have to sacrifice my integrity like Chic does and others in the IFBB.  The problem is 99% of the pros make their ONLY income from BB.  That is where they went wrong.  They have nothing to fall back on.  So they have to kiss ass and do what they are told or they make no money.  Lee has things to fall back on and so does Milos.  That gives the the freedom to say what they want and stand behind it.  That is a luxury that not many others have in the IFBB.

Amen!

[Milos_Sarcev]

That's not really the point...point is, the company paying the athlete is paying for EXCLUSIVITY..just like Blechman does, Musclemag, supplement companies, etc...

If Milos had Silvios best interest in mind...this never takes place.

Milos doesn't like to be told what to do and has a problem with authority (if you haven't seen that by now...) He did this purposely to spite Robin Chang/ AMI...It was a selfish thing to do.

Bob, Bob, Bob...If Milos didn't have Silvio's best interest in mind - he would send him home the same day he arrived to Fullerton with no place to go and no plans...

I don't remember Silvio mentioning the options that he could maybe go to Shawn's or Bob's place for a while...

Where were you two when he really needed the help?

I made MANY things possible for him since he came but I don't need to mention it...I don't need to "feel important" as I have helped someone JUST BECAUSE I WANTED TO...

Since the moment he arrived I only had the very BEST INTEREST for Silvio and my actions speak louder than any words...

This "little incident" with his photo appearing on my site HOURS before the prejudging would be unnoticed if it wasn't for TRUE FREIND Shawn who only wanted to make sure that Robin finds out about posted photo - so Silvio could get in trouble...and I could be "painted" as the bad guy...who wants Silvio to get in trouble and loose contract - exactly the opposite of what I was trying to do since he came to US!?

I was supporting Silvio in many ways and he had my personall promise that I would NOT LET HIM fail...suffer...or be unsuccessful in any way...

I mentioned on my board something that bothered me a great deal and that is - how you and Shawn handled this whole situation and disturbed Silvio (a competitor) just minutes before the competition...

Off course - I took what I've heard from Silvio as certain truth (he said you approached him back stage and told him "something"...) just to find out from you that indeed what he claimed NEVER happened...and instead it was quite the opposite...

That doesn't matter right now (the truth will find the way to surface it sooner or later...)...what matters is that you are presenting me as the
"trouble maker" and someone who doesn't listen to "authorities"...

Did you actually think AT ALL about ridiculousness of the situation?

What would it happen if I took the photos and gave them to Silvio to post it on his site?
Would he still be in trouble?

Can any athlete post his progress photos on his own site?
Or there is the rule that EVEN that is prohibited?

I (we) could have given ALL THE photos to Silvio's and he could have posted on his website.
Than someone will only need to copy and paste it on my site or here...and we would have no problem at all...

[bigdumbbell]

here's the motive:

"This "little incident" with his photo appearing on my site HOURS before the prejudging would be unnoticed if it wasn't for TRUE FREIND Shawn who only wanted to make sure that Robin finds out about posted photo - so Silvio could get in trouble...and I could be "painted" as the bad guy...who wants Silvio to get in trouble and loose contract - exactly the opposite of what I was trying to do since he came to US!?"

[CQ]

Yes the rule sounds kinda stupid, but no one is forced to sign a Weider contract, and sign away their rights to post pics etc. They made a choice to do so. If they are uncomfortable with it, they have the option to refuse the contract...quite simple. Many people agree to some type of stipulations when signing a contract to recieve payment/be employed..whether it be a uniform, conduct, hours etc. That's life.

[phyxsius]

Milos, that means Shawn is still obsessed about you. He visited your site around 50 times a day.

LOSER SHAWN!!!

That boy need some love

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA HA

[dseiler]

Here is a short video for you: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEOnRRUNrr0

LOL...conspiracy theorists unite! Amazing how that Mentzer ad doesn't his arm..it's probably not even his hand...

[Vince B]

About photos and who owns them. Suppose a photographer comes to Koloseum Gym to do a photo shoot with a pro BB. If I am there and have permission from Milos to take photos then I can take whatever photos I like and post them on the internet, etc. Unless the photographer insists that the gym be closed then others who are there, including Milos, can take any photos they like and do what they like with the images. Of course, I would respect the photographer and bodybuilder but I could still take images of them.

If a bodybuilder is in a public place or giving a public performance then the photographer can take and sell or show any photos that he took. Trust the IFBB and their pro rep to see things differently. Bob is there arguing once again for the rights of companies. What a lackey.

Have a look on photography sites like dpreview to see about rights, etc.

[CRIS]

After reading this thread, I realized 2 things:

(1) Most Pro bodybuilders are lazy.  They complain about Bob, but they have no desire to do anything about it.  I still haven't seen one other pro come forward and say they want to be the athlete's rep.  After all of this complaining, I should hope to see MILOS challenging Bob at the next election.  The truth is BOB is the best athletes rep out there because there is no one else.  Whatever he's accomplished it better than what anyone else has-- which is NOTHING!

(2) Silvio has an exclusive contract with AMI/WEIDER that forbids him to shoot with anyone else except them.  He gets paid well to adhere to this contract.  He willingly signed this contract; therefore, if he can't follow the rules, he should be subject to penalties.  No one forced him to sign the contract, and I'm certain tha MILOS didn't put a gun to his head to make him take the unauthorized photos.  I have no sympathy for ignorance.  

Ya know, Dave, this is the part that most interested me in your post.

I would like that every 'costumer' that bought that fake GH from you took notice of this opinion of yours. So by that is only safe to say that YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER what you were selling to them , shouldn't you?

Or are we speaking here of of a case of 2 weights, 2 measures???

Interesting how a convicted fellon can change his thoughts before and after prison time. I guess that's the real benefit and purpose of doing time: regenerating!!

[CRIS]

Anyone under contract has the same rules to follow...pictures taken BEFORE they signed a contract aren't a concern. If a contracted athlete knowingly does a photo shoot, interview without consent of AMI...then they would be given the same response...and it has happened as I know personally, warnings have been issued to a handful of athletes...most know better.

Hey, Bob, i guess one of the 2 things happens to you: or you only see what you want and fit your/IFBB/AMI interests, or you are a moron.

Did you notice that I, along others, posted some pages back that  ALOT OF STABLISHED PROS, WELL INTO THE FRUITION OF THEIR CONTRACTS WITH WEIDER/AMI HAVE THEIR TRAINING PICS SPREAD ALL OVER MILOS' SITE AND A LOT OTHERS?

Gee, man, I mentioned that in 2004, weeks prior to the Mr. Olympia, Ronnie was training at Koloseum gym, doing a leg session with Milos, and their pics of that awesome training session were ALL OVER MILOS' BOARDS??

HOW COME NOTHING EVER HAPPENED TO RONNIE BECAUSE OF THIS, IF HE HAS BEEN ON CONTRACT 'WELL BEFORE 2004' WITH 'TEAM WEIDER/AMI'
What part you didn't get it, yet? Lemme know if I can help you understand.....

[Milos_Sarcev]

About photos and who owns them. Suppose a photographer comes to Koloseum Gym to do a photo shoot with a pro BB. If I am there and have permission from Milos to take photos then I can take whatever photos I like and post them on the internet, etc. Unless the photographer insists that the gym be closed then others who are there, including Milos, can take any photos they like and do what they like with the images. Of course, I would respect the photographer and bodybuilder but I could still take images of them.

If a bodybuilder is in a public place or giving a public performance then the photographer can take and sell or show any photos that he took. Trust the IFBB and their pro rep to see things differently. Bob is there arguing once again for the rights of companies. What a lackey.

Have a look on photography sites like dpreview to see about rights, etc.

Silvio was photographed and even video taped for bodybuilding.com and both photos and video are still there...

But, besides the point - as I said - it is only a formality...If we really needed to be "politically correct" I could have taken the photos....Silvio could put them on his web site and than I or anyone else could post the link or copy the photo and post on my site...

If you guys don't see "through" - you are blind...

It was NEVER about what was done...it is about HOW is done...So again - we didn't follow "proper channels" ...

Athlete is certainly able to have his own web site and make as many updates as he wants...so in reality - how different is really if Silvio was to post those photos on his site and 2 seconds later photos would be posted all over the place?

I purposely let this "conversation" go for a while without pointing this out - for everyone to realize how LIMITED some people could be...

So Bob, would Silvio breach the contract if his moderator posted those same photos on his site?

[warrior_code]

1) YES, I am challenging Bob for this position...

2) Whatever Bob has accomplished is certainly NOT better than NOTHING...
Changes are steps back and not foreword thus his accomplishment is NEGATIVE...(ZERO is certainly better than MINUS )

Didn't he get every single Mr.Olympia competitor 4,000 guaranteed? If you ask me, that is much better then nothing.   

[MAXX]

After reading this thread, I realized 2 things:

(1) Most Pro bodybuilders are lazy.  They complain about Bob, but they have no desire to do anything about it.  I still haven't seen one other pro come forward and say they want to be the athlete's rep.  After all of this complaining, I should hope to see MILOS challenging Bob at the next election.  The truth is BOB is the best athletes rep out there because there is no one else.  Whatever he's accomplished it better than what anyone else has-- which is NOTHING!

(2) Silvio has an exclusive contract with AMI/WEIDER that forbids him to shoot with anyone else except them.  He gets paid well to adhere to this contract.  He willingly signed this contract; therefore, if he can't follow the rules, he should be subject to penalties.  No one forced him to sign the contract, and I'm certain tha MILOS didn't put a gun to his head to make him take the unauthorized photos.  I have no sympathy for ignorance.  

well said.

[CRIS]

well said.

Yeah, I would like to see Dave fellon Palumbo tell his clients from that fake GH that he has no sympathy for ignorance.....

[Milos_Sarcev]

Hey, Bob, i guess one of the 2 things happens to you: or you only see what you want and fit your/IFBB/AMI interests, or you are a moron.

Did you notice that I, along others, posted some pages back that  ALOT OF STABLISHED PROS, WELL INTO THE FRUITION OF THEIR CONTRACTS WITH WEIDER/AMI HAVE THEIR TRAINING PICS SPREAD ALL OVER MILOS' SITE AND A LOT OTHERS?

Gee, man, I mentioned that in 2004, weeks prior to the Mr. Olympia, Ronnie was training at Koloseum gym, doing a leg session with Milos, and their pics of that awesome training session were ALL OVER MILOS' BOARDS??

HOW COME NOTHING EVER HAPPENED TO RONNIE BECAUSE OF THIS, IF HE HAS BEEN ON CONTRACT 'WELL BEFORE 2004' WITH 'TEAM WEIDER/AMI'
What part you didn't get it, yet? Lemme know if I can help you understand.....

Ronnie's, Jay's, DJ's, Kris Dim's....and who knows HOW MANY OTHER bodybuilders who came to my gym (OFFICIAL GYM FOR THE FLEX MAGAZINE PHOTOSHOOTS) are photographed by me and photos would be posted on my site and here on getbig almost immediately and THERE WAS NEVER A PROBLEM...until now?

Last year when 2 weeks out Jay looked lik ehe could possibly pull the upset - Jay himself didn't mind if I post the photos but "just in case" we checked with the office - and certainly GOT APPROVAL to post photos - so I did.

His sponsor was very much impressed with photos and everyone agreed POSTED PHOTOS would create a lot of POSITIVES for everyone and hardly any NEGATIVES...

In this case - it was exactly the same...

Silvio ASKED Robin for permission to post few photos just days before (in my office in front of me) - and Robin told him he'll get back to him...

Silvio looked spectacular that morning and I wanted EVERYONE TO SEE that he is in shape and contender for top honors...

As I already TALKED TO Robin and regardless of what Bob will say - I publicly claim: Robin didn't answer NO to my question if I can continue posting photos...

Besides, IF I am not his manager and Silvio didn't post it himself - how could he get in trouble anyway?

That is - IF I WAS NOT HIS MANAGER...and as I was - Robin and you Bob should have come to me...not him...

Now, as Silvio knows - I had SEVERAL BACK UP PLANS to insure his contract or to even make it better...but that is now not relevant...

What is relevant is that Bob " oh so omnipotent" athletes rep who is not chosen by the athletes continues to do whatever he wants - without EVER  consulting the athletes...hence - for all the changes that occured under his term - HARDLY ANY ATHLETE IS AWARE OFF...

But, we should all read "minutes" posted on ifbb.com...I guess....

[Chick]

Bob, Bob, Bob...If Milos didn't have Silvio's best interest in mind - he would send him home the same day he arrived to Fullerton with no place to go and no plans...

If Milos had his best interest in mind, he never would have posted pics, deapite being told not to...

I don't remember Silvio mentioning the options that he could maybe go to Shawn's or Bob's place for a while...

Where were you two when he really needed the help?

I didn't really know him...Shawn helped him to find an apt. insteadof paying ridiculous amount of money on  ahotel...and GAVE him furniture for it.


I made MANY things possible for him since he came but I don't need to mention it...I don't need to "feel important" as I have helped someone JUST BECAUSE I WANTED TO...

Since the moment he arrived I only had the very BEST INTEREST for Silvio and my actions speak louder than any words...

PLEASE...you "wanted to" because you saw the money on the horizon...much like the College recruiter that wines and dines, buys gifts, takes the guys out on the town, etc.....why? because they want to be their "friend"? No, because they want to lure them to their college and get a % of the contract...you're no different. This is why you wanted your name on the contract, and also explains why you were looking for 20% of whatever he made...nice friend.


This "little incident" with his photo appearing on my site HOURS before the prejudging would be unnoticed if it wasn't for TRUE FREIND Shawn who only wanted to make sure that Robin finds out about posted photo - so Silvio could get in trouble...and I could be "painted" as the bad guy...who wants Silvio to get in trouble and loose contract - exactly the opposite of what I was trying to do since he came to US!?

THATS your defense?? That you hoped it went unnoticed? How about DONT POST THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE....Was it THAT important to you? Shawn didn't take or ost the pics....YOU DID.


I was supporting Silvio in many ways and he had my personall promise that I would NOT LET HIM fail...suffer...or be unsuccessful in any way...

I mentioned on my board something that bothered me a great deal and that is - how you and Shawn handled this whole situation and disturbed Silvio (a competitor) just minutes before the competition...

There is no "Shawn and I"...once again...I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. I WASNT THE ONE TO BRING IT UP TO HIM...I ONLY ASURED SILVIO THAT IT WASN'T A PROBLEM AND I OWULD TAKE CARE OF IT FOR HIM.


Off course - I took what I've heard from Silvio as certain truth (he said you approached him back stage and told him "something"...) just to find out from you that indeed what he claimed NEVER happened...and instead it was quite the opposite...

That doesn't matter right now (the truth will find the way to surface it sooner or later...)...what matters is that you are presenting me as the
"trouble maker" and someone who doesn't listen to "authorities"...

And you are...and you dont. This whole thing could have been avoided if only you did listen to authority...you did this IN SPITE of what Robin told you...just a big "fuck you" to Robin Changas "no one tells Milos what to do..." NO ONE!!

Did you actually think AT ALL about ridiculousness of the situation?

Yes...and I'm still amazed that you thought it was more important to your ego, than to look out for a guy you were allegedly managing. Ridiculous is right.


What would it happen if I took the photos and gave them to Silvio to post it on his site?
Would he still be in trouble?

You didn't...you took them and posted them on YOUR site. Why not get permission and post the on Flexonline.com?


Can any athlete post his progress photos on his own site?
Or there is the rule that EVEN that is prohibited?

Not that I'm aware of...

I (we) could have given ALL THE photos to Silvio's and he could have posted on his website.
Than someone will only need to copy and paste it on my site or here...and we would have no problem at all...

Go for it...

[Chick]

Ronnie's, Jay's, DJ's, Kris Dim's....and who knows HOW MANY OTHER bodybuilders who came to my gym (OFFICIAL GYM FOR THE FLEX MAGAZINE PHOTOSHOOTS) are photographed by me and photos would be posted on my site and here on getbig almost immediately and THERE WAS NEVER A PROBLEM...until now?

Last year when 2 weeks out Jay looked lik ehe could possibly pull the upset - Jay himself didn't mind if I post the photos but "just in case" we checked with the office - and certainly GOT APPROVAL to post photos - so I did.


Awesome...Now you're starting to understand..."GOT APPROVAL"...the key word there is "APPROVAL", which you didn't get in Silvios case...for whatever reasons AMI had.


His sponsor was very much impressed with photos and everyone agreed POSTED PHOTOS would create a lot of POSITIVES for everyone and hardly any NEGATIVES...

In this case - it was exactly the same...

Silvio ASKED Robin for permission to post few photos just days before (in my office in front of me) - and Robin told him he'll get back to him...

...and when he "got back to him", what was his answer??


Silvio looked spectacular that morning and I wanted EVERYONE TO SEE that he is in shape and contender for top honors...

Which they all could have seen on the Webcast, or pics on Flexonline.com


As I already TALKED TO Robin and regardless of what Bob will say - I publicly claim: Robin didn't answer NO to my question if I can continue posting photos...

So what did he say then? Did he say Nein!, Dont do it!, Nyet!, or a combination of words?


Besides, IF I am not his manager and Silvio didn't post it himself - how could he get in trouble anyway?

He would be in trouble because HE would be held accountable as HE is the contracted athlete...not you. HIS mistake was trusting you when you told him..." you wouldn't post them online".

That is - IF I WAS NOT HIS MANAGER...and as I was - Robin and you Bob should have come to me...not him...

You werent...that was from Silvio himself.

Now, as Silvio knows - I had SEVERAL BACK UP PLANS to insure his contract or to even make it better...but that is now not relevant...

Wouldn't need "back up plans" if you werent putting his contract at risk in the first place.


What is relevant is that Bob " oh so omnipotent" athletes rep who is not chosen by the athletes continues to do whatever he wants - without EVER  consulting the athletes...hence - for all the changes that occured under his term - HARDLY ANY ATHLETE IS AWARE OFF...

But, we should all read "minutes" posted on ifbb.com...I guess....

Yes...IFBB.com is a great place to read the minutes and all of the positive changes that have taken place for the athletes..BTW...just which ones don't you think benefit the athletes? More money? More qualifying placings? Health coverage? Free tickets? Being able to appear at non-sanctioned functions/ expos? Please....tell us all.