Bob Chick - Athlete's Representative?

[War-Horse]

Well...hold on now, Bubba.

 Maybe Milos is right...maybe I did assume too much in thinking these athletes wanted to make more money, and have more opportunities, etc....maybe I was a little to zealous in my actions and taking the lead when nothings been done for YEARS, despite various athletes efforts of occasionally saying that "this isn't right" and "things need to change"...followed by zero action.

Maybe my vision of more exposure, bigger paydays, more contracts and fairer conditions ISN'T shared by anyone else except myself...I may have erred in my judgement.

I will take Milos' advices and POLL the athletes (and you know how painful that can be..!) and see how many of these proposals that I've selfishly submitted...they want reversed.

I do pledge that as the current athletes rep...I will abide by the vote, and have recinded any and all changes that have been made in the athletes favor, by majority vote of said athletes.

NOW we can get back to partying like it's 1999!!

Your hair never left  1999.   

[texasbubba]

Well...hold on now, Bubba.

 Maybe Milos is right...maybe I did assume too much in thinking these athletes wanted to make more money, and have more opportunities, etc....maybe I was a little to zealous in my actions and taking the lead when nothings been done for YEARS, despite various athletes efforts of occasionally saying that "this isn't right" and "things need to change"...followed by zero action.

Maybe my vision of more exposure, bigger paydays, more contracts and fairer conditions ISN'T shared by anyone else except myself...I may have erred in my judgement.

I will take Milos' advices and POLL the athletes (and you know how painful that can be..!) and see how many of these proposals that I've selfishly submitted...they want reversed.

I do pledge that as the current athletes rep...I will abide by the vote, and have recinded any and all changes that have been made in the athletes favor, by majority vote of said athletes.

NOW we can get back to partying like it's 1999!!

Bob, don't you find it interesting that Milos doesn't complain about the results of your work, just the way you get it done?  I guess he doesn't have much to offer in way of improvement.

[HowieW]

You got me there...I absolutely did not consult and get the approval of all the athletes when I submitted proposals to:

Raise the Prize money at the Olympia  from $0-$4,000

Put together a comprehensive Group Health care package for all IFBB pro's

Increased the amount of qualifying spots

Increased the per diem amount

Change the wording to allow for non sanctioned appearances

Change round 1 to allow for athletes to present more than the 8 mandatory poses


Maybe I should have consulted everyone, as there could be pro's out there that did NOT want any of these changes....well, nothing is written in stone and I assume we could get some of these things back to the way they were.

Rock the Vote!

Bob, anybody that is objective and knows something about you and your background in this sport would realize a few things. First, you are not merely a pro but a real fan and devoted student of the bodybuilding game.
I always got the impression you had a genuine love and passion for bodybuilding and wanted the best overall landscape for all pros in the IFBB ( the top pro organization).
I think that some forget one must navigate the political and varied terrain when dealing with any structered organization. Too many look only at their individual or isolated concerns as the only concern. Granted , certain situations demand individual attention when possible, but major policy decisions must be made with the OVERALL picture in focus.
For example, my personal preference would be to drug test for all steroid and GH based compounds and try to eradicate drug use from our sport. BUt, since I know this is a  MINORITY opinion, I understand, accept  and still  enjoy going to pro and national shows.
Howard

[LatsMcGee]

Your hair never left  1999.   

Well that was the year he purchased it.

[Chamorrita]

Million Dollar Baby was on the tube last night and this situation reminds me of the scene where Clint Eastwood is talking to his prize fighter and the fighter guy is trying to tell him that he's leaving him for this big promoter.  

Clint Eastwood's character says something like " I brought you to the championship and he takes the title.  He doesn't know anything about fighting, he's a business man."  Then the guy says something like, "don't worry, you taught me everything I need to know."

It's too bad that Milos is portrayed as the bad guy here.  He worked really hard to help out Silvio get to this level of development.  He seems to really want to help these guys that come here with nothing but their posing trunks.  I am sure he knows very well what it's like to come here and struggle.  And from a business standpoint, when these guys do well, his training business will do well also.  Which he should reap those benefits.  It seems like Shawn Ray's only interest is to destroy everything that Milos touches.  He seems to have no interest in helping anyone.  It seems very pathetic.

[G o a t b o y]

You could learn a lot if you had any comprehension skills....obviously, you don't.

Yeah... you really can't explain or justify the points we've brought up, so you're basically saying "the rules are whatever AMI says they are at any given time, and they can change the rules on a whim, and they are the final arbiter of any ambiguities in the contract".

Unfortunately, that's not the way a contract works (well maybe in your goofy "bodybuilding world", but certainly not in the real world).  A contract spells out the rights and responsibilities of both parties, and any disputes are settled by an impartial third party, not dictated by one of the parties after the contract has been executed. And if something isn't in the contract, it isn't in there... no "reading between the lines BS".

[mikediesel]

Yeah, but you know in the "real world", no bodybuilder is going to take AMI/IFBB/whomever to court or raise any kind of stink...a bit 'o pressure and the bber will, for sure, cave (see: Melvin Anthony). Too expensive, and burns too many bridges.

Or, they'll end up like Lee Priest...

And, for Chick - I'd definately NOT lay this at his feet.

BINGO

[War-Horse]

Yeah, but you know in the "real world", no bodybuilder is going to take AMI/IFBB/whomever to court or raise any kind of stink...a bit 'o pressure and the bber will, for sure, cave (see: Melvin Anthony). Too expensive, and burns too many bridges.

Or, they'll end up like Lee Priest...

And, for Chick - I'd definately NOT lay this at his feet.

This should be a sticky.      BB's are so desparate, theyve got all their eggs in one basket and will do anything not to rock the boat.......sad really.


I'm actually beginning to pity these poor "chemical warriors"   

[Lee_a_priest]

You got me there...I absolutely did not consult and get the approval of all the athletes when I submitted proposals to:

Raise the Prize money at the Olympia  from $0-$4,000

Put together a comprehensive Group Health care package for all IFBB pro's

Increased the amount of qualifying spots

Increased the per diem amount

Change the wording to allow for non sanctioned appearances

Change round 1 to allow for athletes to present more than the 8 mandatory poses


Maybe I should have consulted everyone, as there could be pro's out there that did NOT want any of these changes....well, nothing is written in stone and I assume we could get some of these things back to the way they were.

Rock the Vote!

GREAT SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE TO MAKING A GUEST APPERANCE AT A NON IFBB SHOW...AND COMPETING IN ONE??  YOU ARE ON POSTER PEOPLE COME TO SEE YOU ...YOU GET MONEY.............WHATS THE DIFFERENCE.............. .??

[texasbubba]

GREAT SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE TO MAKING A GUEST APPERANCE AT A NON IFBB SHOW...AND COMPETING IN ONE??  YOU ARE ON POSTER PEOPLE COME TO SEE YOU ...YOU GET MONEY.............WHATS THE DIFFERENCE.............. .??

The point here Lee is that he has made significant strides in improving the sport for the athlete.  You made your choice and we respect that.  The IFBB has there rules and you must choose to obey or walk.  You walked, but ohters stayed understading the rules...wonder why?

[Lee_a_priest]

YES I WONDER WHY...IF THEY CAN GUEST POSE AT NON IFBB EVENT WHY CANT THEY COMPETE....YOU ARE ON STAGE POSING GETTING MONEY........SAME THING ISNT IT....AND I ASKED WHY THEY CANT ...NOT ME............I AM DONE.......RETIRED FROM IT ALL........RACING IS MORE FUN.....NOW RON DELETE MY ACCOUNT SO I CAN GET OUT OF THIS BB WORLD

[Dballn247]

The point here Lee is that he has made significant strides in improving the sport for the athlete.  You made your choice and we respect that.  The IFBB has there rules and you must choose to obey or walk.  You walked, but ohters stayed understading the rules...wonder why?

Last time I heard Bob Chick was the Rep, you are out of your element and should not speak on this, unless you wish to admit that you are a certain Ex-Pro with a taste for trannies and who's mom was arrested for Cocaine.

[texasbubba]

YES I WONDER WHY...IF THEY CAN GUEST POSE AT NON IFBB EVENT WHY CANT THEY COMPETE....YOU ARE ON STAGE POSING GETTING MONEY........SAME THING ISNT IT....AND I ASKED WHY THEY CANT ...NOT ME............I AM DONE.......RETIRED FROM IT ALL........RACING IS MORE FUN.....NOW RON DELETE MY ACCOUNT SO I CAN GET OUT OF THIS BB WORLD

Are you saying you retired from the PDI?

[texasbubba]

Last time I heard Bob Chick was the Rep, you are out of your element and should not speak on this, unless you wish to admit that you are a certain Ex-Pro with a taste for trannies and who's mom was arrested for Cocaine.

You should seek help.  Your infactuation with trannies is scary.  Didn't you get popped for Cocaine usage last year.  This is why you are still chasing that allusive pro card.  Stay of the recreational drugs and train my friend.

[Dballn247]

You should seek help.  Shawn's with trannies is scary.  Didn't you get popped for Cocaine usage last year.  This is why you are still chasing that allusive pro card.  Stay of the recreational drugs and train my friend.

Fixed

Nope you got me confused with another comp.  I'm a Meth guy, Coke is for pussies.

[texasbubba]

Nope you got me confused with another comp.  I'm a Meth guy, Coke is for pussies.

LOL!  Good luck with that.

[Chick]

YES I WONDER WHY...IF THEY CAN GUEST POSE AT NON IFBB EVENT WHY CANT THEY COMPETE....YOU ARE ON STAGE POSING GETTING MONEY........SAME THING ISNT IT....AND I ASKED WHY THEY CANT ...NOT ME............I AM DONE.......RETIRED FROM IT ALL........RACING IS MORE FUN.....NOW RON DELETE MY ACCOUNT SO I CAN GET OUT OF THIS BB WORLD

no one said an IFBB PRO can guest pose at a non sanctioned event...

good luck in your retirement.

[Lee_a_priest]

no one said an IFBB PRO can guest pose at a non sanctioned event...

good luck in your retirement.

THANK YOU....YOU TO...

[bigdumbbell]

Bob,

You don't need to justify your actions to clowns on this board.  We know you have the best interest of the athlete at heart.  Thanks for doing all you do for the sport with no compensation!  At the end of the day, you have made competing much better.

thanks blubber

[bigdumbbell]

what came first:
silvio laying on the soft porn bed or photo's of him before the new york pro on milos' website?

[knny187]

Lee....

you're just letting them win by giving up

[Lee_a_priest]

Just curious -- did you try going around Chick (or any of you other bbers complaining about Chick)? Getting past the gatekeeper. Thinking outside the box. Write up a polished proposal and submit it (to the boss, not Chick).

I used to do this all the time -- and got several of my ideas implemented after my immediate boss shot them down

Sure, Chick will hate your guts for stepping on his toes, but all the other bbers and the boss will think you're da-bomb. Great brown-nosing tactic too! hehe.

BOB COULD JUST GET 2 SHEETS OF PAPER...ONE WITH PROPOSALS ON IT THE OTHER WITH ATHLETES NAMES AND A BOX YES OR NO AND A PLACE TO SIGN....SO AT BIG SHOWS LIKE ARNOLD OR OLYMPIA...OR ANY PRO SHOW THERE ARE NORMALLY 20 PROS OR MORE COMPETING OR IN AUDIENCE OR AT COMPANY BOTH....GO AROUND AND ASK THEM ABOUT THE POINTS IF THEY AGREES TICK YES OR NO...THEN SIGN IT......ATHLETES ARE LAZY AND IF COMPETING IN OLYMPIA OR ARNOLD WILL NOT COME TO MEETING SO BOB GO TO THEM TAKE ABOUT 5 MINS EACH ATHLETE............ITS NOT SO HARD..........JUST HAVE THEM TICK AND SIGN OR HAVE A NO VOTE IF THEY REFUSE TO VOTE....EASY......PROS WILL NOT CALL YOU OR COME TO YOU SO GO TO THEM WHEN YOU ARE ALL IN THE SAME PLACE.........GOOD LUCK

[Benny B]

BOB COULD JUST GET 2 SHEETS OF PAPER...ONE WITH PROPOSALS ON IT THE OTHER WITH ATHLETES NAMES AND A BOX YES OR NO AND A PLACE TO SIGN....SO AT BIG SHOWS LIKE ARNOLD OR OLYMPIA...OR ANY PRO SHOW THERE ARE NORMALLY 20 PROS OR MORE COMPETING OR IN AUDIENCE OR AT COMPANY BOTH....GO AROUND AND ASK THEM ABOUT THE POINTS IF THEY AGREES TICK YES OR NO...THEN SIGN IT......ATHLETES ARE LAZY AND IF COMPETING IN OLYMPIA OR ARNOLD WILL NOT COME TO MEETING SO BOB GO TO THEM TAKE ABOUT 5 MINS EACH ATHLETE............ITS NOT SO HARD..........JUST HAVE THEM TICK AND SIGN OR HAVE A NO VOTE IF THEY REFUSE TO VOTE....EASY......PROS WILL NOT CALL YOU OR COME TO YOU SO GO TO THEM WHEN YOU ARE ALL IN THE SAME PLACE.........GOOD LUCK

As much as you and Lee bicker, you should start doing this Bob. It doesn't sound too hard for ya. Like Lee said, the competitors are lazy so you need to seek them out. They'll probably just go along with your ideas, however this way you're covering your ass. No one can say you didn't get the competitors approval.

[dearth]

Maybe I should have consulted everyone, as there could be pro's out there that did NOT want any of these changes

Actually there could be, but since you seem to have little interest in getting
opinions other than your own, you will never know.

Chick, you rely to much on assumption.
Assuming that everyone worships the ground you walk on, based on a lack of formal complaints is ridiculous.

This may come as a shock to you, but it is actually possible that IFBB pros other than Milos may not see things the way you do.

[Tre]

Or, they'll end up like Lee Priest...

Lee just sold the General Lee for $9.9 million on eBay.

I'd say he's done alright for himself.