You guys really need to figure out how to use the quote feature
Quote from: Chick on Today at 08:21:23 AM
You got me there...I absolutely did not consult and get the approval of all the athletes when I submitted proposals to:
Raise the Prize money at the Olympia from $0-$4,000
*****Asking for more money AFTER ALL OF US RAISED HELL FOR YEARS THAT CULMINATED AT THE OLYMPIA - WAS LOGICAL AND EXPECTED...and it was Shawn's job at the time...but he didn't do it...
Kerry Keyes and others jumped in to donate few extra bucks for Olympian's that would not get any money...and IF I AM NOT MISTAKING - even Lee Priest gave some donation -personally!
Yeah...all that "raising hell" really got a lot accomplished...thats exactly what you do...talk louder, rant and rave...and get zero results
***** You are forgeting that among other things (not need to mention NOW) I took the microphone at the press conference ASKING Wayne exactly that:
"Mike Tyson can be knocked out and get millions for it as well as Michael Jordan could miss every shot and still get paid...So, why are these athletes /POINTING AT OLYMPIA COMPETITORS (and I do believe YOU WERE COMPETING that year)/ are getting NO DIME?"
And that was my comment after ridiculous statement from Wayne that: "if the athletes know they would get paid anyway - they would not need to train hard, look good and be ready...so ONLY top ten should be paid...as others would not be deserving of any financial award..."
Wayne stopped me with: "Just put it in writing..."
Have I known that IFBB position was available and it was as easy as calling Jim ::)instead of maybe: SENDING LETTERS AND E-MAILS TO EACH AND EVERY IFBB PRO ATHLETE WHO IS INTERESTED FOR THE ATHLETES REP POSITION to apply by certain day - I certainly WOULD have challenge you and have a very good feeling - easily got that position IF VOTES of the athletes would be determining factor...
Put together a comprehensive Group Health care package for all IFBB pro's
***** Who knows about it? How many have enrolled? Got a list? Did you send the info to possibly interested parties?
Everyone should know about it...emails were sent out, info was posted on line, I've personally told anyone within earshot, it was discussed on radio, other Athlete reps were given full details and packets.
*****It would be nice if FOR CHANGE you start with ANSWERS and LISTS OF NAMES (I asked you that just - every single time).
So again: HOW MANY HAVE ENROLLED? GOT A LIST?
Now, can you maybe send that Email again or better yet - post here exact Email - so we can all see it FOR THE FIRST TIME...
Increased the amount of qualifying spots
***** Now THIS is debatable and SHOULD be voted for...After all decades long "top 10 at the Olympia qualify for the next year's event" was REDUCED to only TOP SIX as there was the urge for TOP OLYMPIA CONTENDERS entering "smaller shows"...
Is INCREASED AMOUNT OF QUALIFYING SPOTS WISE DECISION?
We'll see when Mr. Olympia gets 30+ competitors on the stage....
I never liked the top 10 requalifying, and am glad they changed it. What other sport allows for a free pass to the top 10? Does nothing but REDUCE the amount of talent in the other shows which leads to smaller line-ups, which leads to LESS MONEY.
I don't see where getting the 4th place bump when all others are qualified is anything but justified....
*****INTERESTING OPINION...yet I will respect it as IT IS YOUR OPINION...Now, did you respect OPINIONS of ALL THE ATHLETES and ask them what they WANT YOU TO DO IN THIS MANNER?
You took the liberty to DECIDE FOR EVERYONE - and requested this change solely upon WHAT YOU LIKE AND WHAT YOU THINK - and who gives a flying f... if athletes thinks any different!
That's just another example of your: "I HAVE A NEWS FOR YOU - LIKE IT OR NOT it is going to change as "I THE MIGHTY BOB SAID SO"...
As I said - examples like this should be enough to immediately get you OFF your position or at least you should get official warning that YOU CANNOT and that means ABSOLUTELLY CANNOT make another request WITHOUT getting approval from the MAJORITY of the pros...
Increased the per diem amount
***** Wow...From $50 to what $75?...after years of inflation?
And WHO EXACTLY GETS per diem?
In good old days - promoters would invite and PAY for flights, accommodations and per diem FOR NUMEROUS ATHLETES (10 and sometimes more...who would sign contract to compete...)
What do we have now?
Promoters hardly pay for anyone (IF ANY AT ALL?)...so you have increased per diem to brag about?
It's not exactly bragging rights, but another step in the right direction...Promoters are individuals, I already put in a proposal to have a mandatory increase every 2nd year...it was rejected. One more reason why the IFBB should be running their own shows...not promoters.
***** Doing it alone - without EVERYONE behind you could and will bring numerous rejections...
I for change - DON'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER - IF I HAVE MAJORITY TO REPRESENT...and certainly IF (WHEN) I get a chance to prove HOW YOUR JOB SHOULD BE DONE you (and others) will see that WHEN YOU FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT CAUSE - YOU MUST AND YOU WILL PREVAIL...no ifs or but's about it....
Change the wording to allow for non sanctioned appearances
***** Nobel prize goes to...
So, you dont have a problem with THAT one? I'm shocked.
****Did I say I have no problem with THAT one?
I just pointed out that this is NOT a Nobel prize worthy accomplishment and IF THAT is all you can brag about it - than maybe you (after all it was your idea and your concern) maybe should go to non sanctioned shows...etc...
And "I HAVE A NEWS FOR YOU BOB" - if this shocks you be ready this Saturday to be "ELECTRICUTED"...
Change round 1 to allow for athletes to present more than the 8 mandatory poses
***** NPC tradition...that is now IFBB new way of doing 1ST ROUND - due to Bob's belief that athletes SHOULD just accept what he serves them - without asking to vote!
Democracy at it's best .
This is JUST ONE OF EXAMPLE where Bob clearly puts himself as DECISION MAKER for the athletes without EVER even asking let allone getting approval from MAJORITY of us...
Most of the athletes DO NOT EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT...Even some competitors on stage this year didn't know what to do...as NOBODY HAD A CLUE that Bob proposed this change.
Now they know...still didn't answer the question I've asked you 6 times now....name me one DISADVANTAGE of being allowed to hit MORE poses along with the mandatories?
****OK smartass - show me WHERE YOU REPETADLY ASKED ME to name disadvantages?
If you remember - in our phone conversation when I was STOPPING you from making yet another mistake (as you wanted to change 3rd round as well - AND request STOP JUDGING THE POSING ROUND) I insisted that posing round is not being judged as how people pose...rather HOW THEY PRESENT THEIR PHYSIQUES...and that more often than not every particular athlete does have numerous spectacular poses OTHER THAN MANDATORIES where he/she could show to judges quality of their physique and get points for it...
After our long talk - you agreed with me and suggested that instead of hitting only 8 mandatory shots in the first round - we should have "NPC style" and do MORE than just mandatories in "allowed time"...
I actually LIKE THAT IDEA and I think it is great...I will go as far and say: I LOVE IT...and I told you the same - during that phone conversation...
However, just because YOU and I love it - doesn't mean that others will...and it was YOUR DUTY as the athletes rep to inform every athlete and get majority votes BEFORE you would make a request to CHANGE decades long tradition....
Maybe I should have consulted everyone, as there could be pro's out there that did NOT want any of these changes....well, nothing is written in stone and I assume we could get some of these things back to the way they were.
***** MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE CONSULTED EVERYONE?
MAYBE?
There ARE many pros out there that did NOT want any (or some) of these changes...and it was really nice of you to ASK...
Good job Bob .
Really? Where YOUR list Milos?? You keep asking for lists, lets see yours with all these disgruntled athletes putting more money in their pocket, covered with health care, and everything else.Rock the Vote!
***** Bob, LET ME BREAK IT TO YOU: I am not the athletes rep...YOU ARE (for the time being) and you can bet your life WHEN I REPRESENT someone EVERYONE WILL SEE the list, names...and whatever else necessary...
I was asking YOU for a list as you were so arrogantly claiming EVERYONE AGREES WITH ME EXCEPT YOU MILOS...
I didn't know that Shawn's real name was EVERYONE...so I did want to see your list - as you kept mentioning OVERWHELMING SUPPORT OF THE ATHLETES when there was NONE...
As I did mention before - YOU ARE FRAUD...and you can easily shut me up by bringing the list this Saturday...
On another hand - I did collect a LONG LIST of people regarding the "VOTE NO TO JUDGING THE POSING ROUND" change you requested...
I did - so I can easily see IF (not that you would do something like that ) the athletes really support you or you just listed their names as nobody would check...
**** Rock the Vote!
SEE YOU SATURDAY...Maybe you can bring some of your lists with you - so you could show us all your list of names of "MANY ATHLETES WHO AGREE WITH YOU WHILE ONLY MILOS COMPLAINS"....
Funny, but the only thing you complain about is he way I do things...but never offer any counter of what YOU would have changed. Like a poor politician...your all smoke. Lets see what YOUR ideas are, what changes of mine YOU would have taken off the table.
You do realise that I dont have the power to change anything on my own, right? Any and all proposals are run bu the board and voted on to get approved. They don't HAVE to approve anything we put in front of them.
We have no union, no association, no leverage....Funny, but when I tried to organize a meeting to see about the possibility of forming a union...the two biggest mouths, YOU and LEE were nowhere to be found....too busy "raising hell"? THAT was the time to step up and collectively take a stand.
NOW, after the fact, and after we have at least been given a voice and changes/ progress have been made...you want to start talking tough.....PLEASE.
