Bob Chick - Athlete's Representative?

[knny187]

I agree....Chick, for all that money he makes being an athlete's rep, should run around like a mad man getting signatures on the athlete's behalf.

 

[mrsirjojo]

Lee, suppose Bob got a majority of signatures for an issue. Then what? Does he go to The Man and tell him that if that demand isn't met, the BBs will walk?

It's just not that easy. Members of a union have to (#1) agree to join a union, and (#2)agree to be willing to strike based on how the union votes. Have we even done #1?

[Lee_a_priest]

Lee, suppose Bob got a majority of signatures for an issue. Then what? Does he go to The Man and tell him that if that demand isn't met, the BBs will walk?

It's just not that easy. Members of a union have to (#1) agree to join a union, and (#2)agree to be willing to strike based on how the union votes. Have we even done #1?

YES THEY  SHOULD WALK.................... ........

[michael arvilla]

holy crap, I ain't reading all that

  i just said that 2 myself when i scrolled to the bottom of the page!

[Chick]

BOB COULD JUST GET 2 SHEETS OF PAPER...ONE WITH PROPOSALS ON IT THE OTHER WITH ATHLETES NAMES AND A BOX YES OR NO AND A PLACE TO SIGN....SO AT BIG SHOWS LIKE ARNOLD OR OLYMPIA...OR ANY PRO SHOW THERE ARE NORMALLY 20 PROS OR MORE COMPETING OR IN AUDIENCE OR AT COMPANY BOTH....GO AROUND AND ASK THEM ABOUT THE POINTS IF THEY AGREES TICK YES OR NO...THEN SIGN IT......ATHLETES ARE LAZY AND IF COMPETING IN OLYMPIA OR ARNOLD WILL NOT COME TO MEETING SO BOB GO TO THEM TAKE ABOUT 5 MINS EACH ATHLETE............ITS NOT SO HARD..........JUST HAVE THEM TICK AND SIGN OR HAVE A NO VOTE IF THEY REFUSE TO VOTE....EASY......PROS WILL NOT CALL YOU OR COME TO YOU SO GO TO THEM WHEN YOU ARE ALL IN THE SAME PLACE.........GOOD LUCK 
 
 

Good in theory Lee, but not practical....especially since the Arnold and Olympia IS WHEN the meetings take place.

The other problem is that most athletes dont want their name on anything...pro or con. Thats why we have a REP.

[Chick]

But say it is a nameless ballot, it could still work because you would get a percentage of pros voting a certain way.  You could even have Rob set it up on a web page and collect the results.

Nameless is useless as the conspiracy therorists will be out in full force with Milos leading the charge...Plus, I would never entrust pro names/ ballots, etc. to some third party (especially Rob) that has nothing to do with nothing.

[dearth]

Nameless is useless as the conspiracy therorists will be out in full force with Milos leading the charge...Plus, I would never entrust pro names/ ballots, etc. to some third party (especially Rob) that has nothing to do with nothing.

Maybe you could entrust it to bodybuilding.com, who let only the trusted athlete rep view sale records, or at least claim to view sales records

[Chick]

Yea, I realize that people will throw a fit but there has to be someone that you, the IFBB and skeptics trust to make something electronic like that.  Maybe if you and Milos went around doing this together it could alleviate a potential problem. 

I would have no problem working WITH MIlos, or any other pro willing to contribute to the general cause.

I would also have no problem is having a commitee formed, to meet and discuss proposals, etc....Milos is certainly on the invitation list.

[willie mosconi]

You got me there...I absolutely did not consult and get the approval of all the athletes when I submitted proposals to:

Raise the Prize money at the Olympia  from $0-$4,000




*****Asking for more money AFTER ALL OF US RAISED HELL FOR YEARS THAT CULMINATED AT THE OLYMPIA - WAS LOGICAL AND EXPECTED...and it was Shawn's job at the time...but he didn't do it...
Kerry Keyes and others jumped in to donate few extra bucks for Olympian's that would not get any money...and IF I AM NOT MISTAKING - even Lee Priest gave some donation -personally!

Yeah...all that "raising hell" really got a lot accomplished...thats exactly what you do...talk louder, rant and rave...and get zero results

***** You are forgeting that among other things (not need to mention NOW) I took the microphone at the press conference ASKING Wayne exactly that:
"Mike Tyson can be knocked out and get millions for it as well as Michael Jordan could miss every shot and still get paid...So, why are these athletes /POINTING AT OLYMPIA COMPETITORS (and I do believe YOU WERE COMPETING that year)/ are getting NO DIME?"
And that was my comment after ridiculous statement from Wayne that: "if the athletes know they would get paid anyway - they would not need to train hard, look good and be ready...so ONLY top ten should be paid...as others would not be deserving of any financial award..."

Wayne stopped me with: "Just put it in writing..."

Look at the tape...I also told Wayne it was ridiculous and a travesty...and I was IN the show, not sitting in the audience with nothing to lose.


Have I known that IFBB position was available and it was as easy as calling Jim  ::)instead of maybe: SENDING LETTERS AND E-MAILS TO EACH AND EVERY IFBB PRO ATHLETE WHO IS INTERESTED FOR THE ATHLETES REP POSITION to apply by certain day - I certainly WOULD have challenge you and have a very good feeling - easily got that position IF VOTES of the athletes would be determining factor...

You keep thinking that...

BTW, that was Wayne's idea to make Shawn jump through hoops and get a majority vote, even from pro's who weren't active in the IFBB...it was a joke.

Put together a comprehensive Group Health care package for all IFBB pro's


***** Who knows about it? How many have enrolled? Got a list? Did you send the info to possibly interested parties?


Everyone should know about it...emails were sent out, info was posted on line, I've personally told anyone within earshot, it was discussed on radio, other Athlete reps were given full details and packets.

*****It would be nice if FOR CHANGE you start with ANSWERS and LISTS OF NAMES (I asked you that just - every single time).
So again: HOW MANY HAVE ENROLLED? GOT A LIST?

No, I don't have a list...but I'm sure I could get one if it matters.

If more athletes showed up at the meetings, they would certainly know more about whats going on...Phil Heath was one of the few to atend and saw the preperations I had taken...stacks of Health care packets, and even had Kirk Lemon flown in to explain the package and answer any questions anyone had.

Now, can you maybe send that Email again or better yet - post here exact Email - so we can all see it FOR THE FIRST TIME...

So because YOU didn't see it, or have any interest...I guess no one did, right?

Increased the amount of qualifying spots

***** Now THIS is debatable and SHOULD be voted for...After all decades long "top 10 at the Olympia qualify for the next year's event" was REDUCED to only TOP SIX as there was the urge for TOP OLYMPIA CONTENDERS entering "smaller shows"...
Is INCREASED AMOUNT OF QUALIFYING SPOTS WISE DECISION?
We'll see when Mr. Olympia gets 30+ competitors on the stage....


I never liked the top 10 requalifying, and am glad they changed it. What other sport allows for a free pass to the top 10? Does nothing but REDUCE the amount of talent in the other shows which leads to smaller line-ups, which leads to LESS MONEY.

I don't see where getting the 4th place bump when all others are qualified is anything but justified....

*****INTERESTING OPINION...yet I will respect it as IT IS YOUR OPINION...Now, did you respect OPINIONS of ALL THE ATHLETES and ask them what they WANT YOU TO DO IN THIS MANNER?
You took the liberty to DECIDE FOR EVERYONE - and requested this change solely upon WHAT YOU LIKE AND WHAT YOU THINK - and who gives a flying f... if athletes thinks any different!

That's just another example of your: "I HAVE A NEWS FOR YOU - LIKE IT OR NOT it is going to change as "I THE MIGHTY BOB SAID SO"...

As I said - examples like this should be enough to immediately get you OFF your position or at least you should get official warning that YOU CANNOT and that means ABSOLUTELLY CANNOT make another request WITHOUT getting approval from the MAJORITY of the pros...

According to who..? YOU? I'll run things the way I want to...If and when you are the athletes rep...you run things your way. I've openly invited ANYONE who has a problem with any of the decisions I've made to email me directly...still waiting for the first one.


Increased the per diem amount

***** Wow...From $50 to what $75?...after years of inflation?
And WHO EXACTLY GETS per diem?
In good old days - promoters would invite and PAY for flights, accommodations and per diem FOR NUMEROUS ATHLETES (10 and sometimes more...who would sign contract to compete...)
What do we have now?
Promoters hardly pay for anyone (IF ANY AT ALL?)...so you have increased per diem to brag about?

It's not exactly bragging rights, but another step in the right direction...Promoters are individuals, I already put in a proposal to have a mandatory increase every 2nd year...it was rejected. One more reason why the IFBB should be running their own shows...not promoters.

***** Doing it alone - without EVERYONE behind you could and will bring numerous rejections...
I for change - DON'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER - IF I HAVE MAJORITY TO REPRESENT...and certainly IF (WHEN) I get a chance to prove HOW YOUR JOB SHOULD BE DONE you (and others) will see that WHEN YOU FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT CAUSE - YOU MUST AND YOU WILL PREVAIL...no ifs or but's about it....


Great...and you'll do WHAT, exactly? Call for a boycott? Walk out on a show? As I've mentioned (which you chose to ignore) we COULD have had a voice and some leverage, but where were you when it counted? Lee was too busy putting on color to attend a meeting for a union...maybe you were putting on protan for him?

When it could have made a difference...you were a no show.


Change the wording to allow for non sanctioned appearances


***** Nobel prize goes to...

So, you dont have a problem with THAT one? I'm shocked.

****Did I say I have no problem with THAT one?
I just pointed out that this is NOT a Nobel prize worthy accomplishment and IF THAT is all you can brag about it - than maybe you (after all it was your idea and your concern) maybe should go to non sanctioned shows...etc...
And "I HAVE A NEWS FOR YOU BOB" - if this shocks you be ready this Saturday to be "ELECTRICUTED"...

I have, as my company sponsors non sanctioned shows.


Change round 1 to allow for athletes to present more than the 8 mandatory poses

***** NPC tradition...that is now IFBB new way of doing 1ST ROUND - due to Bob's belief that athletes SHOULD just accept what he serves them - without asking to vote!
Democracy at it's best .
This is JUST ONE OF EXAMPLE where Bob clearly puts himself as DECISION MAKER for the athletes without EVER even asking let allone getting approval from MAJORITY of us...
Most of the athletes DO NOT EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT...Even some competitors on stage this year didn't know what to do...as NOBODY HAD A CLUE that Bob proposed this change.

Now they know...still didn't answer the question I've asked you 6 times now....name me one DISADVANTAGE of being allowed to hit MORE poses along with the mandatories?

****OK smartass - show me WHERE YOU REPETADLY ASKED ME to name disadvantages?


Look back over the 500 posts we've had on the subject...

If you remember - in our phone conversation when I was STOPPING you from making yet another mistake (as you wanted to change 3rd round as well - AND request STOP JUDGING THE POSING ROUND) I insisted that posing round is not being judged as how people pose...rather HOW THEY PRESENT THEIR PHYSIQUES...and that more often than not every particular athlete does have numerous spectacular poses OTHER THAN MANDATORIES where he/she could show to judges quality of their physique and get points for it...
After our long talk - you agreed with me and suggested that instead of hitting only 8 mandatory shots in the first round - we should have "NPC style" and do MORE than just mandatories in "allowed time"...
I actually LIKE THAT IDEA and I think it is great...I will go as far and say: I LOVE IT...and I told you the same - during that phone conversation...

However, just because YOU and I love it - doesn't mean that others will...and it was YOUR DUTY as the athletes rep to inform every athlete and get majority votes BEFORE you would make a request to CHANGE decades long tradition....

It's my "duty" to make changes for the better...if any athlete has a problem with it (or me) I have yet to hear from them.....they know my Email, I see them at all the shows, they could contact Jim Manion, or the IFBB...still nothing. No complaints (anonymous or otherwise)....show me your LIST, MIlos...where is your list?



Maybe I should have consulted everyone, as there could be pro's out there that did NOT want any of these changes....well, nothing is written in stone and I assume we could get some of these things back to the way they were.

***** MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE CONSULTED EVERYONE?
MAYBE?

There ARE many pros out there that did NOT want any (or some) of these changes...and it was really nice of you to ASK...
Good job Bob .


Really? Where YOUR list Milos?? You keep asking for lists, lets see yours with all these disgruntled athletes putting more money in their pocket, covered with health care, and everything else.Rock the Vote!

***** Bob, LET ME BREAK IT TO YOU: I am not the athletes rep...YOU ARE (for the time being) and you can bet your life WHEN I REPRESENT someone EVERYONE WILL SEE the list, names...and whatever else necessary...
I was asking YOU for a list as you were so arrogantly claiming EVERYONE AGREES WITH ME EXCEPT YOU MILOS...

I didn't know that Shawn's real name was EVERYONE...so I did want to see your list - as you kept mentioning OVERWHELMING SUPPORT OF THE ATHLETES when there was NONE...
As I did mention before - YOU ARE FRAUD...and you can easily shut me up by bringing the list this Saturday...

On another hand - I did collect a LONG LIST of people regarding the "VOTE NO TO JUDGING THE POSING ROUND" change you requested...
I did - so I can easily see IF (not that you would do something like that ) the athletes really support you or you just listed their names as nobody would check...

Good for you...you would be surprised just how close that vote was. Most athletes recognise the obvious...NO ONE IS GETTING JUDGED ON THEIR POSING ROUTINE. Even the judges want the round changed. While you're trying to preserve "tradition", I'm trying to get more MONEY in the athletes pockets by bringing up the entertainment level...Routine after routine  of the same boring ass, paint drying excitemnet...occaisional ly....and I do mean OCCAISIONALLY..there is a Melvin, or a Dareem, or Kai.

**** Rock the Vote!

SEE YOU SATURDAY...Maybe you can bring some of your lists with you - so you could show us all your list of names of "MANY ATHLETES WHO AGREE WITH YOU WHILE ONLY MILOS COMPLAINS"....


Funny, but the only thing you complain about is he way I do things...but never offer any counter of what YOU would have changed. Like a poor politician...your all smoke. Lets see what YOUR ideas are, what changes of mine YOU would have taken off the table.

You do realise that I dont have the power to change anything on my own, right? Any and all proposals are run bu the board and voted on to get approved. They don't HAVE to approve anything we put in front of them.

We have no union, no association, no leverage....Funny, but when I tried to organize a meeting to see about the possibility of forming a union...the two biggest mouths, YOU and LEE were nowhere to be found....too busy "raising hell"? THAT was the time to step up and collectively take a stand.

NOW, after the fact, and after we have at least been given a voice and changes/ progress have been made...you want to start talking tough.....PLEASE.



***** Here you go again..."the only thing you complain about is he way I do things"...NO, that is NOT the only thing I complain about - and you should know that by now...
Offering ANYTHING to you after seeing you in action - IS NOT THE OPTION...You do not deserve that.
Besides, I used term "impotent" for a reason...as someone who is not able to do things others would enjoy and continue doing it - for all participating parties satisfaction and benefits...

When you publically conclude that you cannot find the athletes and get their response (get ready to DO YOUR JOB) than maybe you should let somebody else do it who can solve the "problem" with ease...

The only "problem" I've seen you solve so far...Is getting BB removed from the Asian games. Great move, how many athletes are making money NOW? PLEASE...stop solving any more problems!

Bob, could you please learn how to use the quotation function? It is impossible to read most of your posts because you can hardly tell where the quote stops and your post begins. Also, using the highlighting function just gives everybody a headache.

[Lee_a_priest]

Good in theory Lee, but not practical....especially since the Arnold and Olympia IS WHEN the meetings take place.

The other problem is that most athletes dont want their name on anything...pro or con. Thats why we have a REP.

AND WHY DONT THEY WANT THIER NAME ON IT...IF THE IFBB DOSENT PLAY POLITICS OR SCREW ANYBODY OVER FOR THIER VIEWS ON THINGS.......THEY MUST BE SCARED OF SOMETHING...MMMMMMM WONDER WHAT..........

[Chick]

Some people are suspicious by nature...but thats here nor there.

Shawn spoke his peace for years, certainly didnt seem to hinder his placings...Lee as well. Athletes need to get more involved and have a say in what goes on.

[Vince B]

Is this thread still going???

Look, folks, the bottom line is everyone knows the score. You don't voice unpopular things or you will pay for it. Everyone knows if you want to do well (not be punished or place low) you don't voice your opinion. Keep your mouth shut and let the IFBB decide what is best.

I am surprised Bob doesn't tell everyone this. He of all people should know. Outspoken guys like Lee are out of the IFBB. End of story. This is what happens to those who voice their opinions. The bodybuilders are not stupid. They have played ball to get their pro cards and know exactly what to do and what NOT to do to stay in the good books.

Please, people, do not give good ideas to Bob. The IFBB doesn't work that way.

[texasbubba]

Is this thread still going???

Look, folks, the bottom line is everyone knows the score. You don't voice unpopular things or you will pay for it. Everyone knows if you want to do well (not be punished or place low) you don't voice your opinion. Keep your mouth shut and let the IFBB decide what is best.

I am surprised Bob doesn't tell everyone this. He of all people should know. Outspoken guys like Lee are out of the IFBB. End of story. This is what happens to those who voice their opinions. The bodybuilders are not stupid. They have played ball to get their pro cards and know exactly what to do and what NOT to do to stay in the good books.

Please, people, do not give good ideas to Bob. The IFBB doesn't work that way.

Easy big fella.  What makes the IFBB different from any other business.  If employees continually bash my company...see ya.  The IFBB doesn't make an athlete conform, the athlete conforms on his or her own accord, just as an employee of any business or government agency.  So help me further understand the problem with this?

[Vince B]

Suppose lots of pros want to be able to compete and pose where they like and make more money. Will any of them be dumb enough to actually voice this to Bob or Manion? Nope. They might be thick but are not idiots. Ditto re voting on such issues. If they put their name on a form supporting such things they might as well kiss doing well goodbye.

Examples: Melvin not only won't post here but can't because he will be punished if he does. Silvio has to be good from now on.

[Vince B]

Let me put this issue in perspective. Suppose you were asked for advice about what to do re the IFBB from someone competing in their contests? Would you tell them to speak out if they don't agree with the way things are run? Would you tell them to challenge officials and promoters all the time if injustices occur, etc.? Or would you tell them to just go along with the officials and rules and not rock the boat? We all know what bodybuilders do. So, that tells us they clearly know their own self interest re the IFBB.

Bob's job is to reinforce IFBB rules and get the message through to thickheads what happens if they don't follow those rules. Look at Lee's attitude now. Pretty sad for one of the top guys. There he is a real man so he speaks out if he sees crap. He figures if they all stick together the IFBB has to change and everyone benefits. Almost no one joins him so he is left out in the cold and eventually it becomes a bit much to actually want good things for the bodybuilders and they don't support him but stay loyal to the IFBB and AMI or wherever their money comes from.

Bob is the enemy of bodybuilding progress and justice and not some good guy. Hope you lads eventually see this.

[Chick]

Is this thread still going???

Look, folks, the bottom line is everyone knows the score. You don't voice unpopular things or you will pay for it. Everyone knows if you want to do well (not be punished or place low) you don't voice your opinion. Keep your mouth shut and let the IFBB decide what is best.

I am surprised Bob doesn't tell everyone this. He of all people should know. Outspoken guys like Lee are out of the IFBB. End of story. This is what happens to those who voice their opinions. The bodybuilders are not stupid. They have played ball to get their pro cards and know exactly what to do and what NOT to do to stay in the good books.

Please, people, do not give good ideas to Bob. The IFBB doesn't work that way.

Lee isn't out of the IFBB because he's outspoken...he has been for as many years as he was in the IFBB...he's out because he CHOSE to be out.

 Milos, Myself, Shawn....were all outspoken, and were all still in the IFBB.

Please, refrain from making a bigger fool of yourself and stop posting on the topic...

[Chick]

Let me put this issue in perspective. Suppose you were asked for advice about what to do re the IFBB from someone competing in their contests? Would you tell them to speak out if they don't agree with the way things are run? Would you tell them to challenge officials and promoters all the time if injustices occur, etc.? Or would you tell them to just go along with the officials and rules and not rock the boat? We all know what bodybuilders do. So, that tells us they clearly know their own self interest re the IFBB.

Bob's job is to reinforce IFBB rules and get the message through to thickheads what happens if they don't follow those rules. Look at Lee's attitude now. Pretty sad for one of the top guys. There he is a real man so he speaks out if he sees crap. He figures if they all stick together the IFBB has to change and everyone benefits. Almost no one joins him so he is left out in the cold and eventually it becomes a bit much to actually want good things for the bodybuilders and they don't support him but stay loyal to the IFBB and AMI or wherever their money comes from.

Bob is the enemy of bodybuilding progress and justice and not some good guy. Hope you lads eventually see this.

I'm actually at a loss for a response ...you're so clueless and out of the loop it's amusing...pitiful, but still amusing.

My "job" isn't to reinforce rules...it's to interperet them and protect athletes from getting treated with bias. Where I see rules that arent in our best interest...I propose getting them changed...which I have.

As for being the "enemy of bodybuilding progress"...that's just laughable.

[willie mosconi]

Lee isn't out of the IFBB because he's outspoken...he has been for as many years as he was in the IFBB...he's out because he CHOSE to be out.

 Milos, Myself, Shawn....were all outspoken, and were all still in the IFBB.

Please, refrain from making a bigger fool of yourself and stop posting on the topic...

Lee should be allowed to compete in any federation, as any other pro should be as well. It just shows how insecure the IFBB is that they prohibit this

[D.L. 5]

Lee should be allowed to compete in any federation, as any other pro should be as well. It just shows how insecure the IFBB is that they prohibit this

chick what is reply to this? i must say i agree with this statement.

[phyxsius]

Damn Robin Chang!!!!!

[Vince B]

Bob, your controlling and bullying tactics work on other bodybuilders but fail on guys like me. How dare you tell me to stop posting in this thread. Your power has gone to your head. Too bad it is too thick to actually be improved.

You are the enemy of progress in bodybuilding. You are a virtually self-appointed, self-important and oblivious stooge. You belong in the IFBB because they appreciate guys like you. Someone has to do their laundry. Sorry, Bob, but you are no more than a busboy to those guys.

[Milos_Sarcev]

Bob...off course we can go back and forth about exact same questions - as you are NOT answering ANY of my points and keep repeating the same thing...how supposedly MANY pros agree with you and some proposals were oh so close to be accepted...etc...etc...

SHOW ME THE PROOF....Better yet - show us the proof by simply mentioning numerous names of the pros you are referring to - when you say EVERYBODY AGREES WITH ME and I figured this out by a simple fact -AS NOBODY COMPLAINED...

You will take silence as approval?

Do me a favor and propose something completely ridiculous...like let's say - nude Mr. Olympia and wait....
If you don't get any response simply assume that everyone (every IFBB PRO that is) wants to compete nude - and...let's see who is real Mr. Oooooooo ?

OK...it is too early and I am in the bad mood as I had to get up so early (or rather not sleep at all) so I will go extra step and say ONE THING - I do believe that you have best interest of athletes in mind...

Contrary to Shawn who doesn't and never will (care for anyone else but himself) you actually do care...and I will be first one to say that.
I also do respect the fact that you SPEAK YOUR MIND...
I'll give you that also...but MY COMPLAINTS were, are and always will be: YOU SIMPLY DO NOT REPRESENT WHAT ATHLETES WANT as you don't find the way to communicate with them and MAKING DECISIONS by assuming what is good for them is NOT THE WAY TO REPRESENT!

For that reason - as I want you to be prepared for our "debate" I insist that you show proof (list of pros) who supported you in each and every "motion", proposal or change that you requested in our behalf...

Just like you mentioned in your last response to my post how we were "oh so close" to loose the judging of the posing round (something I believe I stopped you from enforcing)....
How close exactly and why?

Did you get enough votes of the athletes...or "powers" told you so?
As this is the way you operate (consult and deal with "powers" without informing or truly representing the athletes) - did you ALMOST convinced "powers" that this change will pass as unnoticed (like so many others)...

So, I do want to make sure you have plenty of time to prepare what you need to prove me wrong...and I certainly hope you will not give me just another runaround as always...

[Chick]

Bob...off course we can go back and forth about exact same questions - as you are NOT answering ANY of my points and keep repeating the same thing...how supposedly MANY pros agree with you and some proposals were oh so close to be accepted...etc...etc...

SHOW ME THE PROOF....Better yet - show us the proof by simply mentioning numerous names of the pros you are referring to - when you say EVERYBODY AGREES WITH ME and I figured this out by a simple fact -AS NOBODY COMPLAINED...

I wont bring up specific names as I don't disclose info about athletes unless they give the O.K....I've answered as many points you've brought up that I can keep up with...even though you have selected to not answer many of mine...like not atending the union meeting and why?

You will take silence as approval?

Silence can tell us a great deal...that people don't care enough to speak up, or that they approve. You certainly spoke up when you didn't agree with the posing round proposal, right? I never heard a word from you either way before that....same goes for most of the pro's. When people diagree, they will tend to voice an opinion...


Do me a favor and propose something completely ridiculous...like let's say - nude Mr. Olympia and wait....
If you don't get any response simply assume that everyone (every IFBB PRO that is) wants to compete nude - and...let's see who is real Mr. Oooooooo ?

Careful my friend...what do we do if it actually gets approved?? 

OK...it is too early and I am in the bad mood as I had to get up so early (or rather not sleep at all) so I will go extra step and say ONE THING - I do believe that you have best interest of athletes in mind...

Contrary to Shawn who doesn't and never will (care for anyone else but himself) you actually do care...and I will be first one to say that.
I also do respect the fact that you SPEAK YOUR MIND...

That is greatly appreciated...as we both have different methods, I do believe we are both working for the same cause..I would invite you to be a part of a commitee of 4... we can set up to discuss proposals and work as a team.

 
I'll give you that also...but MY COMPLAINTS were, are and always will be: YOU SIMPLY DO NOT REPRESENT WHAT ATHLETES WANT as you don't find the way to communicate with them and MAKING DECISIONS by assuming what is good for them is NOT THE WAY TO REPRESENT!

Offer still stands...help me in getting a cross section of the pro bb communities interests...

For that reason - as I want you to be prepared for our "debate" I insist that you show proof (list of pros) who supported you in each and every "motion", proposal or change that you requested in our behalf...

Just like you mentioned in your last response to my post how we were "oh so close" to loose the judging of the posing round (something I believe I stopped you from enforcing)....
How close exactly and why?

Did you get enough votes of the athletes...or "powers" told you so?
As this is the way you operate (consult and deal with "powers" without informing or truly representing the athletes) - did you ALMOST convinced "powers" that this change will pass as unnoticed (like so many others)...

No...they tabled it to a vote, as it was unprecidented and would change the judging criteria..it wasn't immediately passed (and not passed at all) NOTHING goes un-noticed with the voting...


So, I do want to make sure you have plenty of time to prepare what you need to prove me wrong...and I certainly hope you will not give me just another runaround as always...

[War-Horse]

I see good things starting to happen after 34 pages.   

 Bob and Milos respect, that they both care enough to exchange ideas on the athletes welfare.

This is a good thing as both minds can create a balanced structure.


FINALLY.

[BEAST 8692]

34 pages, what have we learnt?

1. pro bbers in the majority are way too self absorbed to form a decent union.

2. Milos and Lee don't seem to get this fact, even though they seem to be part of the problem (Milos, if you didn't attend all the meetings, how can you complain

I admire you for your passion and dedication to the athletes you train/manage, but what are you doing for the rest? a union stands or falls pending unity but, damn, i want you to second my corner.

4. silvio did NOT breach anything with something Milos did. I would argue that case in any court of the USA and win every single time, but it's kind of redundant now because silvio fell for the con and shit himself (did i mention that pro bbers are way too self absorbed to form a decent union?).

5. Chick has impressed me greatly in this thread, if for no other reason than his incredible endurance. the man should get into politics asap imo.

the simple fact, whether you choose to admit it or not, is that you were instrumental in unnecessarily spooking silvio. given the timing i find it hard to believe you didn't team up with shawn on this. please show me ANY 'contract' in america that indicates that a man can form a breach when he has not performed a wilfull act to cause that breach. just one will do, doesn't even have to be the ifbb contract which i know you can't produce because it doesn't exist.