Bob Chick - Athlete's Representative?

[Option D]

34 pages, what have we learnt?

1. pro bbers in the majority are way too self absorbed to form a decent union.

2. Milos and Lee don't seem to get this fact, even though they seem to be part of the problem (Milos, if you didn't attend all the meetings, how can you complain

I admire you for your passion and dedication to the athletes you train/manage, but what are you doing for the rest? a union stands or falls pending unity but, damn, i want you to second my corner.

4. silvio did NOT breach anything with something Milos did. I would argue that case in any court of the USA and win every single time, but it's kind of redundant now because silvio fell for the con and shit himself (did i mention that pro bbers are way too self absorbed to form a decent union?).

5. Chick has impressed me greatly in this thread, if for no other reason than his incredible endurance. the man should get into politics asap imo.
the simple fact, whether you choose to admit it or not, is that you were instrumental in unnecessarily spooking silvio. given the timing i find it hard to believe you didn't team up with shawn on this. please show me ANY 'contract' in america that indicates that a man can form a breach when he has not performed a wilfull act to cause that breach. just one will do, doesn't even have to be the ifbb contract which i know you can't produce because it doesn't exist.

he will be endorced by Arnie

[chester_bbb]

So Ron is wrong. We now know that. Does he?

Candid photos are ok. What's the difference between candid and what was taken at Milos' gym? We aught to clear this up since all bbers will forever be responsible for all photos taken of them.

And, Shawn just loves man ass. We already knew that...

And you didn't answer Goatboy's or my question about why now, and why Silvio -- specifically? After all these years and all these previous bodybuilders.

Fixed.

[Lee_a_priest]

WHY DID MELVIN DO 180 TURN AROUND.....DID THE PHONE CALL COME THROUGH.....

MANION OR MUSCLETECH WHO CALLED.........SAME CALL SILVIO GOT...........

JUST A THEORY .............CAUSE I USE TO GET  PHONE CALLS FROM IFBB AND SPONSORS AS WELL....I JUST DIDNT GO ALONG THOU....AND LOOK AT ME....YEAH I AM OUT...BUT I AM STILL ME......

[Option D]

WHY DID MELVIN DO 180 TURN AROUND.....DID THE PHONE CALL COME THROUGH.....

MANION OR MUSCLETECH WHO CALLED.........SAME CALL SILVIO GOT...........

JUST A THEORY .............CAUSE I USE TO GET  PHONE CALLS FROM IFBB AND SPONSORS AS WELL....I JUST DIDNT GO ALONG THOU....AND LOOK AT ME....YEAH I AM OUT...BUT I AM STILL ME......

and thats what matters...atleast you can go to sleep knowing that you didnt play the game and you did it your way without giving up your values....good on ya mate

[chester_bbb]

The only "problem" I've seen you solve so far...Is getting BB removed from the Asian games. Great move, how many athletes are making money NOW? PLEASE...stop solving any more problems!

What's the point of the Asian games if it's fixed. So what the prize money goes to someone who doesn't deserve it.

[Ron]

Lee should be allowed to compete in any federation, as any other pro should be as well.

We have gone through this over and over. Same reason why the NFL, NBA, NHL, or any fraternity doesnt let you be in the same federation at the same time. Gone over this for a while... 

WHY DID MELVIN DO 180 TURN AROUND.....DID THE PHONE CALL COME THROUGH.....

Because Melvin heard the other side of the story. Yes, a phone call came through, from Bob and myself.

[Lee_a_priest]

We have gone through this over and over. Same reason why the NFL, NBA, NHL, or any fraternity doesnt let you be in the same federation at the same time. Gone over this for a while... 

Because Melvin heard the other side of the story. Yes, a phone call came through, from Bob and myself.

YEAH BUT THE NFL..NBA ETC PAY THERE ATHLETES......IFBB DOSENT...THEY GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO MAKE MONEY THATS ALL..WE ARE INDEPPENDANT CONTRACTORS

SO ALL THAT STUFF MELVIN SAID HE SAW AND TALKED ABOUT BACKSTAGE WITH MILOS AND SILVO WAS MADE UP?? HE SAID HE WAS THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED....AND SAID BOB WASNT HIS REP....NOW HE SAID HE WOULD SUPPORT BOB....I CAN UNDERSTAND IF MELVIN ONLY HEAR FROM ONE SIDE THEN HE GOT THE OTHER SIDE.....BUT MELVIN SAID HE WAS THERE AND WITNESSED IT....AND NOW CHANGES

[Ron]

YEAH BUT THE NFL..NBA ETC PAY THERE ATHLETES

Neither the NFL nor the NBA pays the athletes, the teams do. If someone doesnt want to play and competes in another federations games, they will be suspended.   As for fraternities, you cannot be in the same fraternity at the same time.

SO ALL THAT STUFF MELVIN SAID HE SAW AND TALKED ABOUT BACKSTAGE WITH MILOS AND SILVO WAS MADE UP?? HE SAID HE WAS THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED....

Melvin saw a text message on Silvio's phone, informing Silvio that the pictures were on the internet. When Melvin heard about what exactly occured, things do change.

I still would like to know why the pictures were posted up after Silvio asked them not to be from his room.

[Hunter86]

I still would like to know why the pictures were posted up after Silvio asked them not to be from his room.

isn't it obvious SABATOGE

Silvio had probably informed Milos he was leaving him for the likes of a better trainer, and instead expressing his discontent with Silvo, Milos the passive agressive that he is posted the pics in hope of screwing he former client.

[Lee_a_priest]

Neither the NFL nor the NBA pays the athletes, the teams do. If someone doesnt want to play and competes in another federations games, they will be suspended.   As for fraternities, you cannot be in the same fraternity at the same time.

Melvin saw a text message on Silvio's phone, informing Silvio that the pictures were on the internet. When Melvin heard about what exactly occured, things do change.

I still would like to know why the pictures were posted up after Silvio asked them not to be from his room.

STILL THE IFBB PAYS NO ONE..................... THEY ARE A TEAM WE ARE NOT.........I LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE PAY MEMBERSHIP TO NHRA...BUT CAN RACE IHRA...OR ANY RACING GROUP THAT HAS A RACE WITH BIG MONEY................THE Y DONT HAVE  APROBLEM AND THEY HAVE THOUSANDS OF MEMBERS...........WHY CANT BB DO THE SAME????WHO DOES IT HURT IF THE BODYBUILDERS MAKE MORE MONEY COMPETING...IFBB..PDI..N ABBA OR WHO EVER...OH THATS RIGHT THE IFBB HAS THAT SO CALLED RULE BOOK TO CONTROLL THE ATHLETES..I FORGOT MY BAD.......

[willie mosconi]

STILL THE IFBB PAYS NO ONE..................... THEY ARE A TEAM WE ARE NOT.........I LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE PAY MEMBERSHIP TO NHRA...BUT CAN RACE IHRA...OR ANY RACING GROUP THAT HAS A RACE WITH BIG MONEY................THE Y DONT HAVE  APROBLEM AND THEY HAVE THOUSANDS OF MEMBERS...........WHY CANT BB DO THE SAME????WHO DOES IT HURT IF THE BODYBUILDERS MAKE MORE MONEY COMPETING...IFBB..PDI..N ABBA OR WHO EVER...OH THATS RIGHT THE IFBB HAS THAT SO CALLED RULE BOOK TO CONTROLL THE ATHLETES..I FORGOT MY BAD.......

exactly

the IFBB isn't even comparable to the NBA, NHL, NFL, etc.- there are so many differences it is ridiculous to even mention the IFBB in the same sentence.

Look, if an NBA player decides to go play in Europe for a few years, it will NOT doom his NBA career later. The same should exist for the IFBB "athletes".

Secondly, if the IFBB is so confident in its power, then why are they so worried about pros competing in other federations. Sounds very monopolistic to me.  Really, nobody has answered this part of the problem. It is obvious insecurity- the IFBB exists for itself, not the athletes- they just exploit them and don't give a shit about them.

Lastly, Lee is totally right. Athletes in the aforementioned sports can actually consider making a living- only a select few lucky bodybuilders can do so in the IFBB- with no health insurance, no other benefits either. WTF?

[Disgusted]

I still would like to know why the pictures were posted up after Silvio asked them not to be from his room.

Ron, I would like to know why Silvio let the pics be taken in the first place. What did he think was going to be done with them?

[willie mosconi]

YEAH BUT THE NFL..NBA ETC PAY THERE ATHLETES......IFBB DOSENT...THEY GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO MAKE MONEY THATS ALL..WE ARE INDEPPENDANT CONTRACTORS

SO ALL THAT STUFF MELVIN SAID HE SAW AND TALKED ABOUT BACKSTAGE WITH MILOS AND SILVO WAS MADE UP?? HE SAID HE WAS THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED....AND SAID BOB WASNT HIS REP....NOW HE SAID HE WOULD SUPPORT BOB....I CAN UNDERSTAND IF MELVIN ONLY HEAR FROM ONE SIDE THEN HE GOT THE OTHER SIDE.....BUT MELVIN SAID HE WAS THERE AND WITNESSED IT....AND NOW CHANGES

exactly

the IFBB isn't even comparable to the NBA, NHL, NFL, etc.- there are so many differences it is ridiculous to even mention the IFBB in the same sentence.

Look, if an NBA player decides to go play in Europe for a few years, it will NOT doom his NBA career later. The same should exist for the IFBB "athletes".

Secondly, if the IFBB is so confident in its power, then why are they so worried about pros competing in other federations. Sounds very monopolistic to me.  Really, nobody has answered this part of the problem. It is obvious insecurity- the IFBB exists for itself, not the athletes- they just exploit them and don't give a shit about them.

Lastly, Lee is totally right. Athletes in the aforementioned sports can actually consider making a living- only a select few lucky bodybuilders can do so in the IFBB- with no health insurance, no other benefits either. WTF?

[bigdumbbell]

IFBB is a boutique collection of posers.

hope this helps   

[War-Horse]

exactly

the IFBB isn't even comparable to the NBA, NHL, NFL, etc.- there are so many differences it is ridiculous to even mention the IFBB in the same sentence.

Look, if an NBA player decides to go play in Europe for a few years, it will NOT doom his NBA career later. The same should exist for the IFBB "athletes".

Secondly, if the IFBB is so confident in its power, then why are they so worried about pros competing in other federations. Sounds very monopolistic to me.  Really, nobody has answered this part of the problem. It is obvious insecurity- the IFBB exists for itself, not the athletes- they just exploit them and don't give a shit about them.
Lastly, Lee is totally right. Athletes in the aforementioned sports can actually consider making a living- only a select few lucky bodybuilders can do so in the IFBB- with no health insurance, no other benefits either. WTF?

Exactly.    Just like Tyra Banks and "Americas top model"   Its all bullshit to make her more famous.










I'd do her tho.

[phyxsius]

IFBB is relying its members to earn money, not vice versa

[Ron]

Ron, I would like to know why Silvio let the pics be taken in the first place. What did he think was going to be done with them?

Well, since Milos was his trainer, I wonder.   What do you do when you get special pictures of people you train. we don't just put them on the internet right away unless it is cool.  We do share them with various people.   There are a lot of pictures that come in a few days or weeks before the contests and we don't put them up right away. It is up to the competitor on that. So are cool with it, and others are not.

[Disgusted]

Well, since Milos was his trainer, I wonder.   What do you do when you get special pictures of people you train. we don't just put them on the internet right away unless it is cool.  We do share them with various people.   There are a lot of pictures that come in a few days or weeks before the contests and we don't put them up right away. It is up to the competitor on that. So are cool with it, and others are not.

I find it hard to believe that Silvio didn't think that Milos was going to post them on his board and here on Getbig since that is what Milos has been doing with everyone else that he snaps pics of in their hotel rooms.

[dearth]

Well, since Milos was his trainer, I wonder.   What do you do when you get special pictures of people you train. we don't just put them on the internet right away unless it is cool.  We do share them with various people.   There are a lot of pictures that come in a few days or weeks before the contests and we don't put them up right away. It is up to the competitor on that. So are cool with it, and others are not.

Ron,
does your press pass come with the stipulation that you must jump on the ifbb/ami bandwagon in any dispute?

[Disgusted]

What do you do when you get special pictures of people you train. we don't just put them on the internet right away unless it is cool.  We do share them with various people.   

By the way Ron, this is exactly what people do when they snap pics in the hotel room the night before a show. In fact, Milos as far as I know has always done this so I seriously doubt that Silvio didn't know. Of course I could be wrong. 

[Chick]

Lee should be allowed to compete in any federation, as any other pro should be as well. It just shows how insecure the IFBB is that they prohibit this

The IFBB is a business...and part of their business years ago, was to secure the best bodybuilders in the world and get them to join their federation. Obviously, they won the war in terms of being the premiere place to compete if you were one of the best, or aspired to be.

 Any successful business would never just let their people go off to support their competitors...and as a way of compensation, there are certain perks that come with being a part of the IFBB...guest posing opportunities, supplement endorsements, appearances, magazine exposure and of course...a stage to compete against the best in the world.

As long as there are athletes wiling to keep waving the IFBB flag...there isnt a reason on this earth they would allow their members to compete elsewhere.

[Lee_a_priest]

The IFBB is a business...and part of their business years ago, was to secure the best bodybuilders in the world and get them to join their federation. Obviously, they won the war in terms of being the premiere place to compete if you were one of the best, or aspired to be.

 Any successful business would never just let their people go off to support their competitors...and as a way of compensation, there are certain perks that come with being a part of the IFBB...guest posing opportunities, supplement endorsements, appearances, magazine exposure and of course...a stage to compete against the best in the world.

As long as there are athletes wiling to keep waving the IFBB flag...there isnt a reason on this earth they would allow their members to compete elsewhere.

WHAT A SHAME.......AND HOW MANY CARD CARYING PROS HAVE GOTTEN ANY OF THOSE PERKS??  JUST A HANDFUL

[Hunter86]

WHAT A SHAME.......AND HOW MANY CARD CARYING PROS HAVE GOTTEN ANY OF THOSE PERKS??  JUST A HANDFUL

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[Chick]

WHAT A SHAME.......AND HOW MANY CARD CARYING PROS HAVE GOTTEN ANY OF THOSE PERKS??  JUST A HANDFUL

Many...including yourself as you see now.

It's still a competition, Lee...of course not everybody is going to make big money and sign big contracts.

[bigdumbbell]

how many IFBB mens pro's currently?