Bob Chick - Athlete's Representative?

[HowieW]

Chick works with the crumbs he gets from the ifbb and tries to put them together to make a sandwich.

this is as good as it gets for pro bbers. there will be no revolution at the ifbb door step.

think about it people. vince mcmahon was in his corporate prime when he tried to step on weider's toes and even with his great promise of stardom and contracts to rival the wwf only a few followed. so much for the disgruntled ifbb bbers . obviously, even with mcmahon's midas touch it STILL turned out a disaster and weider said i told you so and pay me 30 000 to get your contract back thanks.

most simply retired, but the fact is NONE of those guys ever came back to former glory, whether they paid up or not. i wonder why?

considering mcmahon's failure why in the world would any successful pro bber even think about following lee

i'm sorry but let's talk reality here. pro bbers are all hot air and bullshit. when it comes time to walk their talk they go belly up and piss themselves. how long did melvyn last? milos? did luke actually make an appearance on this thread? i guess he must be over the moon with his lot then

pro bbers are worse than a moaning bitch with pmt. i say worse because at least the bitch has power of the pussy. wtf a pro bber got? one don't put out there's always someone else that'll bend over and take it in the ass. hello Chick.

The WBF and Vince McMahn was a clusterfu*K and was put out of its misery after 2 major shows.
Bob Chic does the best he can in the present situation. The sad thing is that today we have a gym on every corner and billions spent on fat burning supplements and ab machines, etc. Why has bodybuilding not grown as well with this surge in gym/health club memberships? Here is my 2 cents:

1. Lack of real promotion and media attention.
 Here I am in Denver with a major bodybuilding event ( Colordo pro/am and expo) and I had to get directions from security as to where it was in the building exactly. If some air headed bimbo wearing blonde hair extensions llike Paris Hilton can be a famous media star, don't tell me bodybuilding cold not do the same.

2. The pros all need to be more personable and work the fan base
My gf Beth is very new to bodybuilding, but enjoys some aspects of it. When the top folks come off as arrogant or without any personality it becomes dull for the avg man/woman.You need out going characters, some good, some bad, and make a fun atmopshere.  Get 1000's out for an event and wtach some big $$$ sponers and media fall in line.

3. Tone down the drug use and freak look
By failing to put a reasonable limit on androgens, womans bodybuilding has all but fell off the radar screen.
In the men's side they need only enforce and stuck with the present standards for judging a physique in the IFBB.
Bob Chic has a great idea on this; " If a guy gets on stage with obvious synthol and a huge pregnant looking belly, mark him last. Who cares how massive he is at that point. "

Howard

[HowieW]

What was disorganzied

The set up of the actual booths looked kinda thrown together, but who knows. My Gf Beth felt that the Jr USA had less vendors but the location and set up was a lot better. I will reserve judgement however until after the saturday night contest.

[Vince B]

Nothing short of full and complete drug testing is going to work. Ditto for inserts and oil. Everyone, including the public knows what is going on. If drugs are needed to be a big bodybuilder then no one is buying it. Period.

I don't expect nincompoops like Chick to comprehend and appreciate this.

[HowieW]

Nothing short of full and complete drug testing is going to work. Ditto for inserts and oil. Everyone, including the public knows what is going on. If drugs are needed to be a big bodybuilder then no one is buying it. Period.

I don't expect nincompoops like Chick to comprehend and appreciate this.

I actually asked Chic about this and his repsonse was that even with the steroid scandal in baseball, ticket sales to games are still good.

I, like you would prefer it to be drug free on all levels. However, Chic is practical here and if they just tones down the extreme obvious use, most fans could care less.

[BEAST 8692]

Nothing short of full and complete drug testing is going to work. Ditto for inserts and oil. Everyone, including the public knows what is going on. If drugs are needed to be a big bodybuilder then no one is buying it. Period.

I don't expect nincompoops like Chick to comprehend and appreciate this.

yep, that's right vince, because vince mcmahon became a roaring success with that idea didn't he

stick to the fatograms and diapers vince or go take up knitting or something.

[Vince B]

Yeah, Catch 22 in bodybuilding. If they test for drugs no one will be left to compete and those who use will go to another organization. Let us face it, bodybuilding died a long time ago.

[knny187]

Vince can invent supination....maybe he can invent a solution to Bob's problem

[Vince B]

If Bob can't see a problem why should there be anything to fix?!

[HowieW]

Yeah, Catch 22 in bodybuilding. If they test for drugs no one will be left to compete and those who use will go to another organization. Let us face it, bodybuilding died a long time ago.

With all due respect , what is the solution? Just let it die ,hmmmm, that sounds effective.
At least Bob Chic is doing something to try to keep things going.
I also feel that bodybuilding is far from dead and bigger than ever, etc.
Look at the number of shows. It has come a long way since the guys posing under a spotlight hooked on to a b-ball rim in front of a sheet.  Howard

[Vince B]

When kids look at Mr Olympia competitors and say, "Steroids!" the sport is finished. I wonder how many people here actually talk to people. The natural scene is healthy but is stained by the drug users. So many here just assume drugs will always be part of the sport than they literally cannot conceive of it being anything else.

Year after year it is the same story. Ben gave up. Joe is sick. Bob is a great guy doing his best but takes orders. Who is going to save the IFBB and professional bodybuilding? Women's bodybuilding died long ago. Drugs and boob jobs. Both way too obvious.

Unless we have a clean sport or one that is seen to be clean then we will always be a subculture.

[SteelePegasus]

When kids look at Mr Olympia competitors and say, "Steroids!" the sport is finished. I wonder how many people here actually talk to people. The natural scene is healthy but is stained by the drug users. So many here just assume drugs will always be part of the sport than they literally cannot conceive of it being anything else.

Year after year it is the same story. Ben gave up. Joe is sick. Bob is a great guy doing his best but takes orders. Who is going to save the IFBB and professional bodybuilding? Women's bodybuilding died long ago. Drugs and boob jobs. Both way too obvious.

Unless we have a clean sport or one that is seen to be clean then we will always be a subculture.

Vince, question for you

since a billion dollar sport industry like football or baseball cannot prevent cheating through testing. What makes you think that bodybuilding can?
also guys are clever enough to use prior and stay clean during the testing phase or contest phase

professional bodybuilding = all drugs

[knny187]

When kids look at Mr Olympia competitors and say, "Steroids!" the sport is finished. I wonder how many people here actually talk to people. The natural scene is healthy but is stained by the drug users. So many here just assume drugs will always be part of the sport than they literally cannot conceive of it being anything else.

Year after year it is the same story. Ben gave up. Joe is sick. Bob is a great guy doing his best but takes orders. Who is going to save the IFBB and professional bodybuilding? Women's bodybuilding died long ago. Drugs and boob jobs. Both way too obvious.

Unless we have a clean sport or one that is seen to be clean then we will always be a subculture.

Even in the 60's & 70's people looked at the guys & said "Steroids"

just because you never got big enough....is why you never heard it

 

[dearth]

DEARTH:

READ man, R E A D....it's not that tough to understand.

Chick,

actually all is perfectly clear.

From the mouth/keyboard of Chick, in this very thread.

"the IFBB doesn't selectively enforce its rules"
"the IFBB reserves the right to enforce these rules anytime they wish"

However, Bob it seems as though you are confused.

"

[HowieW]

When kids look at Mr Olympia competitors and say, "Steroids!" the sport is finished. I wonder how many people here actually talk to people. The natural scene is healthy but is stained by the drug users. So many here just assume drugs will always be part of the sport than they literally cannot conceive of it being anything else.

Year after year it is the same story. Ben gave up. Joe is sick. Bob is a great guy doing his best but takes orders. Who is going to save the IFBB and professional bodybuilding? Women's bodybuilding died long ago. Drugs and boob jobs. Both way too obvious.

Unless we have a clean sport or one that is seen to be clean then we will always be a subculture.

I PERSONALLY would love to see a drug free sport, but don't think any major sport now will ever be 100% drug free.
Bodybuilding has its' roots waist deep in steroids and as you pointed out, many in the sport can't conceive of bodybuilding without drugs.
The figure/fitness girls have long surpassed the female drugged bodybuilders. I would prefer to see the figure/fitness girls doing bodybuilding poses, THAT would be the ideal .
I do feel that a sweeping new doping/drug testing policy will be put into place sooner than many imagine.
Like you Vince, I see the sport from more than a bodybuilders perspective.
While I respect Bob and his efforts , I am at odds with him in regards to drug use in pro bodybuilding.
Too many have hyped the steroid issue now and unless the IFBB goes to great PR  and actual testing, to change that opinion, it won't ever go away and the stigma will stick.
The 800 lb gorilla in the room is how does the IFBB pro div deal with any main stream journalist asking obvious drug related questions without looking bad now?
Failure to have a credible answers to those questions will prevent the growth of our sport into the mainstream, no matter how great the physiques look.
Having said that , I will always go to IFBB/ npc bodybuilding events and love the sport.
Howard

[War-Horse]

We can build muscle without drugs.  The legal supplements and proper lifting can work...................I m proof..........myseone.. .......mindspin......... .baby herc...............and alot of others.

All you kids out there have an option, you DONT have to commit a FELONY.

[Vince B]

Olympic weightlifting can be controversial. However, they do testing and people have been disqualified. It is still part of the Olympic Games whereas bodybuilding might never be a part of those games. Compare weightlifting with open powerlifting and you see the difference testing can make.

It is one thing to suggest that competitors will cheat and quite another NOT to do any testing. Maybe the top pros today are the end of an era? The IFBB has rules and they should be applied rigorously. Until that time the public and kids won't respect top pro bodybuilders.

Do you know what bothers me about bodybuilding and the public perception of it? Well, I have been training since 1959 and have a pretty good idea about what many think about bodybuilding and bodybuilders. You see, the big muscular guys have always intimidated the average guy. Women really don't know what to make of big muscles. Just about everyone had some sort of excuse so that they didn't have to admire or envy big muscular guys. You know what those excuses were and, sadly, maybe still are.

Here are some of the excuses people use to dismiss and disapprove of bodybuilders. Musclemen are musclebound, many are gay, they are mirror athletes, they are egotistical, they can't run fast, they look ugly, they are too muscular under the lights, and they have to keep it up. Mickey Hargitay, Mr Universe 1955, was in the public eye because he married Jayne Mansfield. He was quoted saying he couldn't get out of bed in the morning unless he had a massage first! I wonder how many believed this might be true? This was another excuse that guys had not to have to work out and have a better physique than they had.

People still use those excuses but now have the single bomb that destroys the credibility of the sport.  Bodybuilders are only that size because they use drugs. Many say bodybuilders are too big and might be slow so nothing has changed in that regard. It has always been a mirror sport and I doubt having muscles is a plus at universities.

The bottom line is the public have dismissed the bodybuilders because of drug use. They can now disapprove of everyone who is big because they cheated and used 'illegal' drugs. Can we deny this at the Mr Olympia and other pro contests? Well, there you are. We can wonder why the sport sucks but this is the main reason.

The women cannot allow breast implants. Simply solution there. The drugs have to go from all sports. Synthol and other forms of cheating have to go, too.

What do I know? Let the asses continue to ruin this sport. Like I have said before, it is almost embarrassing being part of bodybuilding.

[New Hank Wood]

All true. 

I usually find your articles tedious Vince, not this one.

[Chick]

Chick,

actually all is perfectly clear.

From the mouth/keyboard of Chick, in this very thread.

"the IFBB doesn't selectively enforce its rules"
"the IFBB reserves the right to enforce these rules anytime they wish"

However, Bob it seems as though you are confused.

"

Still cant figure it out i see....there are the RULES, which they dont deviate from...and there is the Code of conduct, which are a set of beliefs and suggestions...which are open to interpretation, and SUBJECT to being imposed depending on the situation.

[BEAST 8692]

We can build muscle without drugs.  The legal supplements and proper lifting can work...................I m proof..........myseone.. .......mindspin......... .baby herc...............and alot of others.

All you kids out there have an option, you DONT have to commit a FELONY.

with all due respect War-Horse and your impressive arm size aside, i will reserve judgement until you are shredded and competing in a bodybuilding contest.

i hope you've got more than big arms.

[New Hank Wood]

 

[New Hank Wood]

So much discussion about dumping B0b as rep. and replacing him with Lee or Milos.

How about throwing Sean Rey's name into the mix as well?

[onlyme]

Still cant figure it out i see....there are the RULES, which they dont deviate from...and there is the Code of conduct, which are a set of beliefs and suggestions...which are open to interpretation, and SUBJECT to being imposed depending on the situation.

How convenient

[HowieW]

Still cant figure it out i see....there are the RULES, which they dont deviate from...and there is the Code of conduct, which are a set of beliefs and suggestions...which are open to interpretation, and SUBJECT to being imposed depending on the situation.

Bob, you know I respect you , but c'mon, they have a 47 pg section on all the speicifics on drug testing and banned substances, etc. I know it is not your call, but c'mon, they don't even attempt to enforce those rules, give me a break buddy.
BTW, you dida great job as MC last night at the Colorado

[beatmaster]

like the guy who couldn't compete (colorado pro...) because his flight was late, only because he couldn't be at the meeting, gimme a fucking break........ nobody did anything   that where chick was supposed to do something........

rules, you gotta be kidding........... prostitution ( kai, colorado pro, winner) drug use (everybody, martinez, winner) you are breaking your own rules.........

[onlyme]

Still cant figure it out i see....there are the RULES, which they dont deviate from...and there is the Code of conduct, which are a set of beliefs and suggestions...which are open to interpretation, and SUBJECT to being imposed depending on the situation.

I'm very surprised you do not event try to defend this guy. This is a perfect example where it shows you are more the IFBB rep than the "athletes" rep.  You show NO support for the athlete.  NONE.  Of all the rules and what you call Code of Conduct that is broken everyday in the IFBB this instance is something that you should defend.  And you wonder why none of the members show up to your meetings.  You don't do anything to defend them when they need it.  Very embarrassing for you to do this.  This really made you look bad.  Really, you should resign before you hurt more athletes.  Good job