Dbol

[Playboy]

Do you guys take Dbol on an empty or full stomach? OR does it not really matter?

Poppin' 4 or 5 times a day, just wanted to know what is the most effective method.

I usually take my tabs with food.

[Van_Bilderass]

i think you over estimated my level of intelligence, van.  that article is way above me. at least, at the present it is.


what i got out of it was that dbol may act weakly on the whole, but where it does act, is whats important, because it acts on the most important parts of the androgen receptor..the ones involved in promoting anabolism in skeletal muscle. 

? correct?


but i cant lie...  i dont even really know what that means.    i understand the basic theory here, but not at all what is actually going on. 

could you help me out and put it in lamense terms>?

I don't understand the science either to be honest. I think you're pretty much correct. Even if a steroid binds weakly to a receptor it can still be potent due to the way it activates genes, which is still mediated through AR's. You know how different steroid profiles talk about how certain steroids bind weakly or strongly to receptors... it seems like that doesn't tell the whole story.

The author of this piece was always critical of Bill Robert's Class I and Class II steroid classification and this explains why.

[Van_Bilderass]

I know timing is important however what I dont know is if they are fat soluble or not

I just asked Patrick Arnold on MD forums.

Patrick, you have mentioned that absorption of some orals is enhanced when taken with meals containing fat. Does this also apply to the common oral steroids such as Dbol, Anadrol, Anavar, etc?

Thanks.

all steroids are fat soluble so they all may benefit from food with fat

[candidizzle]

i love that patrick arnold thread!

that was a great idea to ask him.

...im searching pubmed now for some answers to my questions...ill post if i find anything interesting

[4thAD]

The "anabolic" effect of Dbol and other oral steroids is considerably longer than the half-life would suggest. Once the hormone activates the receptor the effects it initiates last for a good while, certainly not just 3-4 hours.

That said, spreading out the dosages seems to work *slightly* better IME. But the difference is minute. You can take the whole 30mg once a day and get virtually the same results.

I completely agree with this. I have run 50mg dbol once a day and I have run 50mgs throughout the day with much better results. As BusyB said I take the largest dose pre-workout. I have found for me that taking high doses 50mg and above compound side effects when taken all at once. When taken through the day 50mg split four times through the the sides were a lot less. Still I stand on the theory that dbol does not need to be run that high by most individuals, and keeping the blood levels stable diminishes sides even more.

[Arnold jr]

Hey candy, I'm glad to see you're still doing cardio even while bulking. A lot of guys forgo cardio altogether when bulking and for most this is a bad idea...not all but most.

[Rimbaud]

Hey candy, I'm glad to see you're still doing cardio even while bulking. A lot of guys forgo cardio altogether when bulking and for most this is a bad idea...not all but most.

True. Even when "bulking" I always do cardio.

[Arnold jr]

True. Even when "bulking" I always do cardio.

You do this because you are not an idiot blinded by stupidity...the same cannot be said about so many.

[candidizzle]

thanks arnold. i actually picked the idea up from dante.   


i have read that nutrient partitioning is enhanced when you stay lean, and also that aas is more effective at bf% lower than 13-14%...   

[candidizzle]

hey guys..  here is my current routine...any input would be greatly appreciated

day 1= back bis
day2= morning cardio
day3= chest shoulders tris
day4=morning cardio
day 5=quads hams
day 6=morning cardio
day7=day1
day8=day2
ect..

[Arnold jr]

hey guys..  here is my current routine...any input would be greatly appreciated

day 1= back bis
day2= morning cardio
day3= chest shoulders tris
day4=morning cardio
day 5=quads hams
day 6=morning cardio
day7=day1
day8=day2
ect..

I don't care for pairing chest & shoulders together...one is going to get short changed a little each time IMO.

I also prefer doing arms by themselves...even though I often find arm training to be the most boring day of training out there. You're arms are just fresher and it seems to work better. Of course if you're doing well splitting it with other part then great...a lot of guys do it that way and I did it that way for years.

Last thing...I go back and forth on this one, but splitting hams and quads up can be a good thing as well as back training...on back periodically I'll do a thickness day and a width day later in the wk. On the width day it's basically just a bunch of pullups and pull downs and the width day basic rowing movements and deads. It can be a little wearing to do it this way, but it's a nice change from time to time and seems to help out.

[Emmortal]

Yea that's how I do my split, separate width and thickness days for back.  I used to just have it in one day but have been splitting it up for the past 3 weeks and it's  been working really well.

[aussiepro]

i dont like that training schedule at all..
i think you are training too many things in a workout, (chest, shoulders and tris) i would just train chest by its self and shoulders with tris. chest and biceps i found works really well...
and how many exercises are you doing for back cause your bi's must be fucked when your finished, you'd be able to get a much better bi workout if it was on another day... also no calves in there. y not...
this is what i would do if i was you..
day 1 chest and biceps
day 2 quads and ham
day 3 cardio
day 4 shoulders and triceps
day 5 back and some calves haven't already done them on a leg day
day 6 cardio
then repeat.... also if you want to add another cardio session in you can do it on the same day as a weights training one...either early in the moring or when you get home from work... or school...
this routine i have found works very well for a lot of my clients who dont have a great deal of time but still want to train hard...
but each to there own try your way for a while and if you dont like always swap it around for something else

[candidizzle]

what about CNS recovery, guys?   



anyways...while i wait for an answer on that one,

how does this split look instead

mon=chest
tues=shoulders
wed=back
thurs=quads@morning,  hams/cardio@night
fri= bi's, tri's
sat=cardio
sun=cardio


?

...how about you guys post yoru split so i could see how you do it..

[candidizzle]

I don't care for pairing chest & shoulders together...one is going to get short changed a little each time IMO.

I also prefer doing arms by themselves...even though I often find arm training to be the most boring day of training out there. You're arms are just fresher and it seems to work better. Of course if you're doing well splitting it with other part then great...a lot of guys do it that way and I did it that way for years.

Last thing...I go back and forth on this one, but splitting hams and quads up can be a good thing as well as back training...on back periodically I'll do a thickness day and a width day later in the wk. On the width day it's basically just a bunch of pullups and pull downs and the width day basic rowing movements and deads. It can be a little wearing to do it this way, but it's a nice change from time to time and seems to help out.

so you would have

day 1= chest
day 2= shoulders
day 3= back
day 4=quads
day 5= arms
day 6= hams
day 7= off
repeat?

[Arnold jr]

so you would have

day 1= chest
day 2= shoulders
day 3= back
day 4=quads
day 5= arms
day 6= hams
day 7= off
repeat?

Maybe, but I'd never have chest and shoulders paired back to back. For the most part I lift 5 days/wk but there are periods of 6 days/wk...it just depends on what's priority as well as mood.

what about CNS recovery, guys?   

Frying your CNS is a real thing but I think you're making a bigger deal out of it then necessary. Overtraining is real but not even a reality for most people. I don't care what some random scientific study says, training 5 days a wk or even 6 is not going to burn your CNS out...not unless you're training each day for hours and hours.

My current routine:

Mon: Back
Tues: Chest
Wed: Legs
Thur: Off
Fri: Shoulders
Sat: Arms
Sun: Off

[candidizzle]

Maybe, but I'd never have chest and shoulders paired back to back. For the most part I lift 5 days/wk but there are periods of 6 days/wk...it just depends on what's priority as well as mood.
Frying your CNS is a real thing but I think you're making a bigger deal out of it then necessary. Overtraining is real but not even a reality for most people. I don't care what some random scientific study says, training 5 days a wk or even 6 is not going to burn your CNS out...not unless you're training each day for hours and hours.

My current routine:

Mon: Back
Tues: Chest
Wed: Legs
Thur: Off
Fri: Shoulders
Sat: Arms
Sun: Off

i am going to train back right now...    ill do it with biceps today, but im going to switch up to this routine starting on monday.


cardio only on thurs and sun? or how do you do that?

[Arnold jr]

i am going to train back right now...    ill do it with biceps today, but im going to switch up to this routine starting on monday.


cardio only on thurs and sun? or how do you do that?

I do cardio either in the morning or after weight training...depends on my mood. As for which day I do it it doesn't really matter...it's not like I'm sprinting or anything, just a steady pace on the elliptical, treadmill or bike, staying in around 120bpm. I generally do cardio at just about every day.

[candidizzle]

I do cardio either in the morning or after weight training...depends on my mood. As for which day I do it it doesn't really matter...it's not like I'm sprinting or anything, just a steady pace on the elliptical, treadmill or bike, staying in around 120bpm. I generally do cardio at just about every day.

thanks for the help man

so if you do cardio after your weight training, you wait untill after wards to drink your pwo shake..?
do you feel like this sllows recovery at all?

what do you do as far as workout nutrition..pre and post..?/

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

Should be straight w/ the dbols Pre work out...ECA/BCAA During/Post Workout/Amino Acids (directly after lifting and before cardio)..and Protein 45 mins. Post workout...should save the creatine after your AAS Cycle...hope this helps

[Arnold jr]

thanks for the help man

so if you do cardio after your weight training, you wait untill after wards to drink your pwo shake..?

Correct, I don't have anything untill after my cardio...cardio is always done on an empty stomach.

do you feel like this sllows recovery at all?

No...why would it? We're talking about waiting like 45min...and if it does slow down recovery time I can't imagine that it would be by much or even a much to outweigh the benefit of the cardio.

what do you do as far as workout nutrition..pre and post..?/

Depends on what's going on, i.e. bullking, dieting or just cruising so to speak.

Pre-workout though is typically always just one of my regular meals about an hour before training...if it does end up being a shake then it's usually 15-20min before.

P/W usually a shake with PB if dieting, or a shake with some sort of carb source if worried about added size, i.e. dextrose or waxy, etc.

Right now, I'm just sort of floating so to speak, so really I don't worry about it too much and just eat basiclay what ever...not junk but might be  shake of some sorts, might simply be a meal or what not...at this point doesn't matter too much, anything works fine.

[StackedDec]

The article basically says that scientists can't begin to know, with any certainty, how AAS affect the body from a physiological or biochemical standpoint.  All they know is that certain androgens, Test and DHT are the only things that have any binding affinity with the AR in humans, but that AAS seem to still affect people in other ways, probably through gene activation and the sequences in which they do that(activate genes). 

[candidizzle]

wow i think i am really overthinking things in regards to pre/during/post workout nutrition....

1 1/2 hours pre workout i do 40 grams blended protein/30mg dbol/ECA
1/2 hour pre workout i do one scoop sans "fierce" (n.o. product)
during workout i sip on bcaa's and a half scoop of the "fierce"
immidietly post worout i do 50 grams waxy maize with 10 grams bcaa and 25 grams whey.


1 hour later i eat 50 grams egg whites and a bowl of oatmeal with two tablespoons flax seed mixed in..

[Slintowin4424]

Their are better products then san brother just because Dennis James distended ass reps them doesn't mean they are good very smart though to drink aminos during a workout very smart

[candidizzle]

well i think dennis sponsored their "vaso flow", not 'fierce"...but i got the fierce becuase it was cheap and compared to all of the other products out there right now its ingredient listing seemed to be on of the best.   what would you say is better?