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Keyshawn done
« on: May 23, 2007, 07:52:52 PM »

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the worst, how big a bust was this guy in the NFL?

I say 9. 
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2007, 08:10:38 PM »
Quote from: Tre on May 23, 2007, 07:52:52 PM
On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the worst, how big a bust was this guy in the NFL?

I say 9. 

He was slow, but not a bust. Just throw him the damn ball ;D
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2007, 08:20:57 PM »
Quote from: Tre on May 23, 2007, 07:52:52 PM
On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the worst, how big a bust was this guy in the NFL?

I say 9. 

A bust?  Why do you say that? 

I have never been a Me-Shawn fan, but here are some numbers:

- Pro Bowl 3 times
- 814 catches for 10,571 yards and 64 TDs
- 15th all time in receptions
- 23rd all time in yards
- 44th in TDs

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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2007, 10:39:35 PM »
Quote from: Beach Bum on May 23, 2007, 08:20:57 PM
A bust?  Why do you say that? 

I have never been a Me-Shawn fan, but here are some numbers:

- Pro Bowl 3 times
- 814 catches for 10,571 yards and 64 TDs
- 15th all time in receptions
- 23rd all time in yards
- 44th in TDs



I agree. A level "9" bust would be a guy like Leaf. With the numbers key has, you cannot really label him a bust at all.

He was taken number one overall so maybe people expected him to be superman or something.... Fact is he was productive and had a good career.
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2007, 01:31:08 AM »

Although the numbers are solid, it's not like he's accomplished anything that no one else could've. 

I based my opinion on the hype (much of it from him) vs delivery.

He was a journeyman and never close to a difference maker or franchise player. 
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2007, 03:04:20 AM »
Bust is entirely inappropriate. A good player just not nearly what he thought & said he was.

Nice replacement for Michael Irvin; a good analyst I think. They said it was embarassing and a little bizarre on draft day when he covered his own team's selection of a WR probably intended to replace him. ;)
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2007, 03:13:41 AM »
He had the 3rd most receptions ever through the first 11 yrs of a career, Only Harrision and Rice had more in their first 11yrs.


Hope this helps.
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2007, 03:18:58 AM »
Quote from: MikeThaMachine on May 24, 2007, 03:13:41 AM
He had the 3rd most receptions ever through the first 11 yrs of a career, Only Harrision and Rice had more in their first 11yrs.


Hope this helps.

Proves that numbers can be misleading. He was a factor but only a borderline impact player IMO.
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2007, 03:24:25 AM »
Quote from: pumpster on May 24, 2007, 03:18:58 AM
Proves that numbers can be misleading. He was a factor but only a borderline impact player IMO.

I do believe he has won a Super Bowl and led his team in receiving that game ;)

Tampa Bay             No.      Yds.     LG    TD
K.Johnson              6        69      18     0
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2007, 03:27:07 AM »
Quote from: MikeThaMachine on May 24, 2007, 03:24:25 AM
I do believe he has won a Super Bowl and led his team in receiving that game ;)

Tampa Bay             No.      Yds.     LG    TD
K.Johnson              6        69      18     0


Yup; those solid numbers are classic Johnson.
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2007, 03:38:25 AM »
Quote from: pumpster on May 24, 2007, 03:27:07 AM
Yup; those solid numbers are classic Johnson.


He wasn't the biggest super star but he had a solid career, he averaged over 70 catches a year. Here is his play off stats

 Year  Opp   Result  |  RSH    YD  TD  |  REC    YD  TD
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
 1998  jax  W,34-24  |    2    28   0  |    9   121   1
 1998  den  L,10-23  |    0     0   0  |    7    73   0
  2000  phi  L,3-21   |    0     0   0  |    6   106   0
  2001  phi  L,9-31   |    0     0   0  |    3    75   0
 2002  sfo  W,31-6   |    0     0   0  |    5    85   0
 2002  phi  W,27-10  |    0     0   0  |    3    40   1
*2002  oak  W,48-21  |    0     0   0  |    6    69   0
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
TOTAL                |    2    28   0  |   39   569   2

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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2007, 08:42:19 AM »
Anyone think he has a shot at the Hall of Fame?

I say he's below fringe status and don't think he'll be inducted. And I don't think it's a stretch to say that.
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2007, 11:38:19 AM »
Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on May 24, 2007, 08:42:19 AM
Anyone think he has a shot at the Hall of Fame?

I say he's below fringe status and don't think he'll be inducted. And I don't think it's a stretch to say that.

Not anytime soon.  There are a number of players more deserving, like Andre Reed and Art Monk. 
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2007, 11:43:29 AM »
He had a good career (not great) considering.....as for his character....that's another story.
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2007, 11:50:55 AM »
Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on May 24, 2007, 08:42:19 AM
Anyone think he has a shot at the Hall of Fame?

I say he's below fringe status and don't think he'll be inducted. And I don't think it's a stretch to say that.



I think he has a chance....... But not a good one :-\
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2007, 12:02:33 PM »
Quote from: Beach Bum on May 24, 2007, 11:38:19 AM
Not anytime soon.  There are a number of players more deserving, like Andre Reed and Art Monk. 

Right on bro!

But don't get pumpster on here to talk about Art Monk. He apparently doesn't think Monk's Hall-worthy. I do, bigtime!
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2007, 12:04:05 PM »
Some notables from the 1996 draft, where Me-Shawn went no. 1 overall:

6.  Lawrence Phillips = bust
8.  Tim Biakabutuka = bust
9.  Rickey Dudley = bust
19.  Marvin Harrison = HOF
26.  Ray Lewis = stud

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1996
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2007, 12:06:18 PM »
Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on May 24, 2007, 12:02:33 PM
Right on bro!

But don't get pumpster on here to talk about Art Monk. He apparently doesn't think Monk's Hall-worthy. I do, bigtime!

It's Art Monk's groupies who keep bringing up the irrelevant LOL
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2007, 12:21:50 PM »
Quote from: pumpster on May 24, 2007, 12:06:18 PM
It's Art Monk's groupies who keep bringing up the irrelevant LOL

Oh jeez....Here we go again. ::)
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2007, 12:22:52 PM »
Quote from: Beach Bum on May 24, 2007, 12:04:05 PM
Some notables from the 1996 draft, where Me-Shawn went no. 1 overall:

6.  Lawrence Phillips = bust
8.  Tim Biakabutuka = bust
9.  Rickey Dudley = bust
19.  Marvin Harrison = HOF
26.  Ray Lewis = stud/ HOF

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1996

Fixed!  ;D
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2007, 12:42:03 PM »
Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on May 24, 2007, 12:02:33 PM
Right on bro!

But don't get pumpster on here to talk about Art Monk. He apparently doesn't think Monk's Hall-worthy. I do, bigtime!

I agree.  Long overdue. 
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2007, 12:42:38 PM »
Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on May 24, 2007, 12:22:52 PM
Fixed!  ;D

Yeah.   :)  I think Ray Lewis gets in. 
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2007, 04:12:34 PM »
Quote from: Beach Bum on May 24, 2007, 12:04:05 PM
Some notables from the 1996 draft, where Me-Shawn went no. 1 overall:

6.  Lawrence Phillips = bust
8.  Tim Biakabutuka = bust
9.  Rickey Dudley = bust
19.  Marvin Harrison = HOF
26.  Ray Lewis = stud

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1996


Awsome class of wr's in that draft.

Marvin Harrison
Terry Glenn
Eric Moulds
Terrell Owens
Joe Horn
Keyshawn
Muhsin Muhammad
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2007, 04:57:28 PM »

Each of those other WRs you named has been a much bigger difference maker for his teams.  I guess it could be argued that Moulds never reached his potential, but the bar was a lot lower for him. 

If he's not even a top 5 player at his position out of his draft class, then there's no way he gets into the Hall. 

It's the Hall of FAME, not the Hall of Solid. 
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Re: Keyshawn done
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2007, 06:53:52 PM »
He was a possesion reciever at best. Considering he was the # 1 overall pick, he was a fucking bust.

And he mocked Sterling Sharpe after Tampa's superbowl win, which showed he had no fucking class at all.
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