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question for adonis
« on: May 25, 2007, 03:13:59 PM »
today i ate 3 zingers, 20 gram of anjovis, and a glass of coca cola. did i consume too much calories for fatloss today? if so im going a hour on the bike.

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2007, 03:17:50 PM »
today i ate 3 zingers, 20 gram of anjovis, and a glass of coca cola. did i consume too much calories for fatloss today?

Not sure what TA thinks, but if you are on the Howie/Issac/ Ron A. (get big or die)  regime, you are still needing 2 plates of orange chicken, a lb of fried rice and a bag of donuts.
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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2007, 03:20:31 PM »
Not sure what TA thinks, but if you are on the Howie/Issac/ Ron A./ SuperstarBillyGraham/Special Ed. (get big or die)  regime, you are still needing 2 plates of orange chicken, a lb of fried rice and a bag of donuts.
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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2007, 03:50:39 PM »
that bitch wont reply in threads directed to him, trust ive tried

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2007, 03:51:45 PM »
that bitch wont reply in threads directed to him, trust ive tried

then to hell with him

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2007, 04:18:58 PM »
Can you be more specific of the amount you ate.


Add up the calories.

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2007, 04:21:30 PM »
STFU.. been there done that..

BMR at 6.5 cal per lb of bodymass says I require about 1450 cal at rest plus 450 per workout. So at about 1700 I'm defficient and should get ripped soon. Calories being calories and proteins, supplements being all a scam, I decided to get my 1700 cals on Cap n' Crunch and Cocopuffs, both will only bring me 4g of protein so I should be fine.

3 weeks later I'm wasting like there's no tomorow, my insulin is all fucked up and glucose to glucagon ratio is off the roof.

Where did I go wrong with my great application of those so called "Principles"?

Breaking out of that madness, I remembered something from biochemistry called PTOR (protein turn over rate). That scientifically proven rule says that my LBM x 1.818 is what I need to prevent from going catabolic. so that's about 310g of protein.


I come to the conclusion that the fucking idiots who think that "calories are calories" are misleading the goodhearted getbiggers.

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2007, 04:38:50 PM »
Can you be more specific of the amount you ate.


Add up the calories.

if i knew what the calories were, i wouldnt ask for help of the great calorie-counting scientist adonis.


Zinger is that burger from Kentucky fried chicken, its as big as big mac i think.

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2007, 04:41:10 PM »
What are zingers and anjovis? Where are you from?

haha where you from? anjovis is that small fish , very salted

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2007, 04:41:36 PM »
But a calorie IS a calorie. Comeon Alex, you're a scientist and know that -- just like a meter is a meter even if you look at it at an angle and it looks shorter...

But if you're looking to build (or even retain) muscle, protein shouldn't be used as part of your caloric intake for energy -- just building tissue.


In laymen's terms you're not gonna get ripped and huge on a diet of mountain dew and cardboard.

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2007, 04:43:46 PM »
if i knew what the calories were, i wouldnt ask for help of the great calorie-counting scientist adonis.


Zinger is that burger from Kentucky fried chicken, its as big as big mac i think.

Just visit KFC's website, genius.

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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2007, 04:45:23 PM »
But a calorie IS a calorie. Comeon Alex, you're a scientist and know that -- just like a meter is a meter even if you look at it at an angle and it looks shorter...

But if you're looking to build (or even retain) muscle, protein shouldn't be used as part of your caloric intake for energy -- just building tissue.


It's all about insulin and metabolism response. 100 cal from pure glucose won't have the same affect as 100cal from dextrose or even from fat. Won't be stored the same way will affect hormonal reponse differently and even affect your behavior.


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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2007, 04:47:54 PM »
if i knew what the calories were, i wouldnt ask for help of the great calorie-counting scientist adonis.


Zinger is that burger from Kentucky fried chicken, its as big as big mac i think.

Really man, if you are eating three Big Mac's (or a facsimile) in one day, are you really all that concerned with burning fat? Let's get real here. A calorie is a calorie only works when you are really fat...like when you are 600 pounds and you eat less pizza and now you are 500 pounds. When you are working out and trying to gain muscle or lose fat etc. the type of calorie is important, regardless of what anyone tells you. If you eat 2000 calories of Big Mac's or 2000 calories of dry chicken breasts, there is a difference. It is fine to eat burghers and work out just to try and stay in resonable shape, but for losing fat like you are dieting...why even bother man really.
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2007, 04:49:47 PM »
I couldn't say. But I do know if you can digest 100 cal from glucose or 100 cal from destrose, it's the same. I'm guessing you're saying you can't digest one or the other completely and so expel part of it undigested...in that case, of course, you're not actually getting the calorie...same with if you eat rocks -- they do have calories, but you sure as hell can't make use of them.

But like I said, you're talking about how the body USES the calorie...not the definition of a calorie.

More precisely what does the body has to do to metabolize them.

Eat shit = look like shit.

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2007, 04:52:10 PM »
Really man, if you are eating three Big Mac's (or a facsimile) in one day, are you really all that concerned with burning fat? Let's get real here. A calorie is a calorie only works when you are really fat...like when you are 600 pounds and you eat less pizza and now you are 500 pounds. When you are working out and trying to gain muscle or lose fat etc. the type of calorie is important, regardless of what anyone tells you. If you eat 2000 calories of Big Mac's or 2000 calories of dry chicken breasts, there is a difference. It is fine to eat burghers and work out just to try and stay in resonable shape, but for losing fat like you are dieting...why even bother man really.

i never dieted in my life, im losing fat eating mayonaise, fat greasy meat. im using omega 3 supplementation to make sure i lose fat instead of muscle. Whats the big del with a couple of burgers, if its working.

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2007, 04:57:00 PM »
i never dieted in my life, im losing fat eating mayonaise, fat greasy meat. im using omega 3 supplementation to make sure i lose fat instead of muscle. Whats the big del with a couple of burgers, if its working.

Dude you are going to hit the wall with this approach. You are really young right? And you just recently started working out right? Wait until you are about three years in...it will not work this way. In the beginning you are adding stimulation to your body that is so foriegn that you could do anything and make progress. This stops real quick. Most people learn about dieting between those first couple of years and when it stops working this way. I hoep you do as well. In your limited experience, have you ever seen those guys who come to the gym every day and look the same all the time...never any bigger, any stronger, any leaner...that is where this approach is leading you.
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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2007, 05:06:34 PM »
Dude you are going to hit the wall with this approach. You are really young right? And you just recently started working out right? Wait until you are about three years in...it will not work this way. In the beginning you are adding stimulation to your body that is so foriegn that you could do anything and make progress. This stops real quick. Most people learn about dieting between those first couple of years and when it stops working this way. I hoep you do as well. In your limited experience, have you ever seen those guys who come to the gym every day and look the same all the time...never any bigger, any stronger, any leaner...that is where this approach is leading you.

im 24. training for 7 years on and off. used to overeat, got fat, somedays consumed over 8000 calories. Right now i made my meals a lot smaller, but basically eating the same food. i try to eat around 2000 cals or less. and my waist is smaller every other day.

red meat
fish
pasta
patatoes
burgers
bread
eggs

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2007, 05:11:28 PM »
im 24. training for 7 years on and off. used to overeat, got fat, somedays consumed over 8000 calories. Right now i made my meals a lot smaller, but basically eating the same food. i try to eat around 2000 cals or less. and my waist is smaller every other day.

red meat
fish
pasta
patatoes
burgers
bread
eggs

Then you cannot say that you have never dieted before man...that is a diet. Going from 8000 to 2000 is a fucking MASSIVE diet. I think the other guy was right though. If this is the case, you just went from really fat to just fat. If it is working and you are doing the burgher thing every so often, then stay with it. Juts do not have unrealistic expectations if you are eating 3 Big Macs three times a week and then dieitng the other days.
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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2007, 05:21:06 PM »
Then you cannot say that you have never dieted before man...that is a diet. Going from 8000 to 2000 is a fucking MASSIVE diet. I think the other guy was right though. If this is the case, you just went from really fat to just fat. If it is working and you are doing the burgher thing every so often, then stay with it. Juts do not have unrealistic expectations if you are eating 3 Big Macs three times a week and then dieitng the other days.

i didnt eat 8000 cals each day, i kept it around 4500 cals a day for 2 years, with one day a week a barbecue where i consumed up to 2 kg of red meat in one sitting, this was at my fattest

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2007, 05:25:50 PM »
Can you be more specific of the amount you ate.


Add up the calories.


How many calories would add up if you're a carpet muncher?

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2007, 05:34:27 PM »
i didnt eat 8000 cals each day, i kept it around 4500 cals a day for 2 years, with one day a week a barbecue where i consumed up to 2 kg of red meat in one sitting, this was at my fattest
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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2007, 05:41:42 PM »
you know how hungry this makes me

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2007, 05:56:12 PM »
adonis forget about it, i just ate a whole cake, my diet is hopeless this couple of days >:(

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2007, 06:29:18 PM »
maybe you eat so much to make up for having no life?

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Re: question for adonis
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2007, 06:38:21 PM »
maybe you eat so much to make up for having no life?

yes you re right my good friend, but id hate to have that nose of yours LOL its a fuckin bazooka :D