how far can a natural really go?

[SteelePegasus]

only natural i see here is ross,, rest are juiced and hormonized from amphetamines to growth to insulin to simple orals to injectables

ross is pretty much where the best genetics can get you naturally,,the best that is! there are a lot less lucky..

do you think that vince is on a cycle in that pic?

[DVSGOD]

What about Vince Gironda?

One of the biggest hypocrites that ever lived.

[BEAST 8692]

One of the biggest hypocrites that ever lived.

true, but he found a way to make a living out of bbing from poor genes.

mind you, he was a little bitter about it.

[Ursus]

now im not sure tho ill tell yas in a few years lol started bbuilding properly and really whacking on the size now. will be competing in drug free comps v competively in 2 years tho doin my first show in march.

[Disgusted]

One of the biggest hypocrites that ever lived.

Why?

[Figo]

One of the biggest hypocrites that ever lived.

From what I've read, a real asshole.

Pretty sure he was on shit all the time.

Doent strike me as an individual with much integrity, although he would have had us believe otherwise.

[Disgusted]

Pretty sure he was on shit all the time.

and you're pretty sure why?

[Voice of Doom]

A little more about Clancy Ross:

Strength and perseverance were the hallmark of Clarence Ross.  These were regular accomplishments … overhead press 315 lbs, multi-reps: Squats with 450 lbs – 10 reps:  bench-presses: 385 lbs – 10 reps, and repeated curls with 200 pounds of resistance.  These, Mr. Ross did without additives. Other than protein powder and a well-balanced food menu, plus the consumption of copious amounts of milk, Mr. Ross never touched the additives then available but, instead, prided himself on the consumption of well balanced, healthy, meals.

The competition was fierce in those days.  Some of the great names remain as inspiration to young bodybuilders today.  It is only right.  Such great champions should never be forgotten.

HE is also one of two men to beat Steve Reeves twice..........

[Figo]

Its my opinion, and assumption, Disgusted.

I'm not sure.

He always pushed his contradictory training and nutritional methods as the be-all, end-all, and shuned everyone elses. Just struck me as an egotistical, celf-centred, bitter man that didnt achieve nor get recognition he thought he deserved...

He had great conditioning for time, looks like a user of homones.

Conjecture and bias, never liked the guy. He did get famous for getting people in shape in no time, and knew his shit,but I'm sure the fabled stories leave out what he used to get these individuals in shape.

[boonstack]

dnp?

[War-Horse]

Its my opinion, and assumption, Disgusted.

I'm not sure.

He always pushed his contradictory training and nutritional methods as the be-all, end-all, and shuned everyone elses. Just struck me as an egotistical, celf-centred, bitter man that didnt achieve nor get recognition he thought he deserved...

He had great conditioning for time, looks like a user of homones.

Conjecture and bias, never liked the guy. He did get famous for getting people in shape in no time, and knew his shit,but I'm sure the fabled stories leave out what he used to get these individuals in shape.

Where can we find out more about this trainer ...??   he can get a guy in shape??

[Figo]

Where can we find out more about this trainer ...??   he can get a guy in shape??

Could, he died a while back.

[SteelePegasus]

Could, he died a while back.

Figgs how is day #2 of not being a virgin going?

your next step is growing chest hair and after that dare I say it...a 3 some

[Mars]

A little more about Clancy Ross:

Strength and perseverance were the hallmark of Clarence Ross.  These were regular accomplishments … overhead press 315 lbs, multi-reps: Squats with 450 lbs – 10 reps:  bench-presses: 385 lbs – 10 reps, and repeated curls with 200 pounds of resistance.  These, Mr. Ross did without additives. Other than protein powder and a well-balanced food menu, plus the consumption of copious amounts of milk, Mr. Ross never touched the additives then available but, instead, prided himself on the consumption of well balanced, healthy, meals.

The competition was fierce in those days.  Some of the great names remain as inspiration to young bodybuilders today.  It is only right.  Such great champions should never be forgotten.

HE is also one of two men to beat Steve Reeves twice..........

Yessssssss!!!!!!!!!! guys today don't train that way anymore. all drugs and machines. posing oil, pumping nubain synthol esicline, gay for pay, no dignity, no life, no respect for their body.