Those far-left nuts at the ACLU

[Laughing Sam's Dice]

What are they up to now:

Day of Action to Restore Law and Justice - June 26, 2007
This summer, the ACLU is calling on all its members and concerned citizens from across the country, to storm Washington, D.C. in a Day of Action, to tell Congress to restore habeas corpus and all our constitutional rights.

The Bush administration has trampled the Constitution and abandoned American values and the rule of law -- and so far Congress has failed to act. We're at a turning point, and Americans must take action to restore habeas, end government-sponsored torture, and uphold the fairness and freedom that define us.

On June 26, 2007 you can join thousands of activists for a rally, a public demonstration and an opportunity to meet face-to-face with lawmakers. With your help, we will send our message directly to Congress: We demand that they restore all the rights and freedoms lost over the last six years, particularly the due process rights stripped by the Military Commissions Act 2006.

In the words of ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero, "We have always been proud that America stands for the values of due process and fairness, but those values were severely damaged when President Bush signed the Military Commissions Act. Habeas must be restored and the ACLU will keep the pressure on Congress to remedy this injustice. Our nation's reputation and principles are on the line."

The ACLU is joining with Amnesty International, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the National Religious Campaign Against Torture and other groups in this historic Day of Action. Please add your presence and your voice to the effort, and urge friends, family and colleagues to do the same.

Find out how to get involved at www.juneaction.org. See you in D.C. this summer!


I bet all you pro-war conservatives hate this!

[Decker]

Down with Clinton!

[The Coach]

What are they up to now:

Day of Action to Restore Law and Justice - June 26, 2007
This summer, the ACLU is calling on all its members and concerned citizens from across the country, to storm Washington, D.C. in a Day of Action, to tell Congress to restore habeas corpus and all our constitutional rights.

The Bush administration has trampled the Constitution and abandoned American values and the rule of law -- and so far Congress has failed to act. We're at a turning point, and Americans must take action to restore habeas, end government-sponsored torture, and uphold the fairness and freedom that define us.

On June 26, 2007 you can join thousands of activists for a rally, a public demonstration and an opportunity to meet face-to-face with lawmakers. With your help, we will send our message directly to Congress: We demand that they restore all the rights and freedoms lost over the last six years, particularly the due process rights stripped by the Military Commissions Act 2006.

In the words of ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero, "We have always been proud that America stands for the values of due process and fairness, but those values were severely damaged when President Bush signed the Military Commissions Act. Habeas must be restored and the ACLU will keep the pressure on Congress to remedy this injustice. Our nation's reputation and principles are on the line."

The ACLU is joining with Amnesty International, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the National Religious Campaign Against Torture and other groups in this historic Day of Action. Please add your presence and your voice to the effort, and urge friends, family and colleagues to do the same.

Find out how to get involved at www.juneaction.org. See you in D.C. this summer!


I bet all you pro-war conservatives hate this!

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[Laughing Sam's Dice]

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Translation: Joe prefers Bush policy to traditional American values.

[Eyeball Chambers]

Translation: Joe prefers Bush policy to traditional American values.

Exactly.  Joe reminds me of the Germans who just stood by as Hitler took absolute power.

Joe, is it that you don't believe Americans can be held for no reason or you just don't care?

[OzmO]

I'm still completely bewildered that someone would trash the ACLU when their sole existence is based on protecting our rights under the constitution.

That's complete drone-like behavior.

[The Coach]

 

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[Hedgehog]

ACLU are a stand-up organisation.

While I don't agree with the constitution in all aspects (like the guns), I think ACLU is great in the way it takes a stand for liberties.

I cannot understand how Republicans can possibly be against ACLU.

-Hedge

[The Coach]

ACLU are a stand-up organisation.

While I don't agree with the constitution in all aspects (like the guns), I think ACLU is great in the way it takes a stand for liberties.

I cannot understand how Republicans can possibly be against ACLU.

-Hedge

See the youtube parody.

[Hedgehog]

See the youtube parody.

If you are ever to read one book, just one book in your whole life man...

Read "1984", by George Orwell.

And no.

It's not some kind of left-wing propaganda pamphlett.

It's a classic, by Nobel Prize winner George Orwell.

-Hedge

[Dos Equis]

I'm still completely bewildered that someone would trash the ACLU when their sole existence is based on protecting our rights under the constitution.

That's complete drone-like behavior.

Or not.  They are anti-religious extremists, they support the right of pedophiles to have access to child porn, and they defend a criminal organization that advocates the rape of little boys.  Other than that, they are a fine institution.  

Seriously, they have done and continue to do some good things, but there is plenty of room for criticism.    

[Laughing Sam's Dice]

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Video 1- Should non-popular speech be allowed under the first amendment?  In your thread on Chavez shutting down the TV station in Venezuela, I assume you see that limitation on free speech as a bad idea.  Should Nazis be allowed to publicly state their views in the U.S, or should their first amendment rights be forfeited?  The ACLU defends the constitutional right to free speech, even if its unpopular speech.  

Video 2- Should doctors be allowed to report the results of your blood work, or any diagnosis you have to government agencies without your consent?  Should doctors be agents of the government who report back their medical findings?  The ACLU defends 4th amendment rights for illegal search and seizure.  In this case, the American Medical Association agreed that this was a violation of patients' rights.  And of course, the supreme court found it to be a violation.

Also consider what happens when drug-using pregnant women learn that doctors will report them.  They don't go to doctors and receive pre-natal care.  This becomes a risk to babies, and doctors don't have the opportunity to try to intervene and convince them to give up illicit drugs at least for the term of their pregnancy.

[OzmO]

If you are ever to read one book, just one book in your whole life man...

Read "1984", by George Orwell.

And no.

It's not some kind of left-wing propaganda pamphlett.

It's a classic, by Nobel Prize winner George Orwell.

-Hedge

You should have said it was written by RUSH.  Then he would have ran to the book store and bought it without looking at the author.

Now he'll find some stupid you tube parody to make a point he doesn't have to discredit it.

[OzmO]

Or not.  They are anti-religious extremists, they support the right of pedophiles to have access to child porn, and they defend a criminal organization that advocates the rape of little boys.  Other than that, they are a fine institution.   

Seriously, they have done and continue to do some good things, but there is plenty of room for criticism.   

We had this discussion before.  They are an un-bias tool protecting rights under the constitution.   And yes there, of course, is with any organization like this, plenty or room for improvement.

[Hedgehog]

Or not.  They are anti-religious extremists, they support the right of pedophiles to have access to child porn, and they defend a criminal organization that advocates the rape of little boys.  Other than that, they are a fine institution.   

Seriously, they have done and continue to do some good things, but there is plenty of room for criticism.   

I think they're doing a very good thing when they're making sure that the constitution is upheld in all instances, even for the most hideous criminals.

It means that the decency and morality of the society is upheld, and it, among other things, is what separates us from medieval dictatures.

Holding ourselves to a higher standard.

-Hedge

[Dos Equis]

I think they're doing a very good thing when they're making sure that the constitution is upheld in all instances, even for the most hideous criminals.

It means that the decency and morality of the society is upheld, and it, among other things, is what separates us from medieval dictatures.

Holding ourselves to a higher standard.

-Hedge

They do good when they protect the rights of unpopular speech and expression.  That's why we have the First Amendment--to protect things that are unpopular. 

The problem with the ACLU is they don't know where to draw the line.  They can be extremists.  And some of the things they advocate are indefensible.   

[Laughing Sam's Dice]

They do good when they protect the rights of unpopular speech and expression.  That's why we have the First Amendment--to protect things that are unpopular. 

The problem with the ACLU is they don't know where to draw the line.  They can be extremists.  And some of the things they advocate are indefensible.   

A group that is extremist about defending civil liberties?  Sounds like that's exactly what we need in this era of the Bush Administration's taking away civil liberties.

What have they advocated that is "indefensible?"  They defend rights in courts of law.

[Dos Equis]

A group that is extremist about defending civil liberties?  Sounds like that's exactly what we need in this era of the Bush Administration's taking away civil liberties.

What have they advocated that is "indefensible?"  They defend rights in courts of law.

Defending NAMBLA, the group that advocates the rape of little boys.  We've debated that here before.  I'd be happy to do it again.   

[Laughing Sam's Dice]

Defending NAMBLA, the group that advocates the rape of little boys.  We've debated that here before.  I'd be happy to do it again.   

The ACLU defended their right to free speech, not their practices.

[Hedgehog]

I've never seen ACLU defend pedophilia.

They've defended pedophiles, because they should have the same kind of constitutional rights as everyone.

Just because they are horrible people doesn't take away their rights.

Our rights and freedoms in the Civil World is what makes us the Good Guys in my opinion.

-Hedge

edit: I sincerly hope nobody is going to try to make this into that I think pedophilia is ok, or that pedophiles shouldn't be prosecuted. Of course I do.

[Dos Equis]

The ACLU defended their right to free speech, not their practices.

A distinction without a difference IMO.  An organization that advocates the rape of little boys (Hedge, that's pedophilia), has no right to exist.  This is what I mean when I say the ACLU has problems drawing the line.  This isn't about unpopular speech.  It's about defending the "free speech" rights of an organization that advocates exploiting the most vulnerable members of our society.  It's despicable. 

[Laughing Sam's Dice]

This isn't about unpopular speech.  It's about defending the "free speech" rights of an organization that advocates exploiting the most vulnerable members of our society.  It's despicable. 

Clue- that is unpopular speech. 
In the case, the ACLU stated that the person who commited the murder should be held responsible, not the organization that wrote information about "despicable" practices.

[Colossus_500]

A distinction without a difference IMO.  An organization that advocates the rape of little boys (Hedge, that's pedophilia), has no right to exist.  This is what I mean when I say the ACLU has problems drawing the line.  This isn't about unpopular speech.  It's about defending the "free speech" rights of an organization that advocates exploiting the most vulnerable members of our society.  It's despicable. 

What's more, if the ACLU is defending groups like NAMBLA for their right to free speech, then why are they going after war memorials, constantly threatening to sue school districts where kids write papers about God, or wear t-shirts that display a belief in God, etc?    

[The Enigma]

Exactly.  Joe reminds me of the Germans who just stood by as Hitler took absolute power.

Joe, is it that you don't believe Americans can be held for no reason or you just don't care?

You''ll have to excuse Mr Hate........he's uneducated.

[Dos Equis]

Clue- that is unpopular speech. 
In the case, the ACLU stated that the person who commited the murder should be held responsible, not the organization that wrote information about "despicable" practices.

Unpopular?  No kidding. 

They shouldn't be doing anything to defend a criminal organization that advocates the rape of little boys.  I don't know why the government hasn't shut that group down.