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[Hurricane Beef !]

Complexity is not that important if something is new and effective. The idea is to make something that gym owners believe their members need. This happened about 20 years ago re aerobic computerized machines. These machines are now required by all gyms.

I agree it is foolish to patent any design as an individual. Patent attorneys do not disclose actual costs for patents. Costs can blow way out of proportion. Once you are in for a certain amount you just have to keep going. It is a business decision. However, if the design cannot be sold then all that investment is more or less wasted. Try to understand that when you believe you have something worthwhile you want protection. Patents are just too expensive and patent attorneys have marble floors paid by foolish inventors. That much is acknowledged. Protection is way too expensive and governments should encourage inventors by keeping fees, etc., down but they don't get involved in this enterprise.

How many here can come up with some new design for gym equipment?

The Beef respects what you were trying to do and the way you responded to my overly harsh post. You are correct, few people can do or are willing to try ( you can't hit a home run without getting up to the plate ) what you have. Peace.

Respectfully,
The Beef

[Max_Rep]

I have modified some Nautilus machines. Here is a more effective triceps machine complete with adjustable foot rest to do kneeling extensions.

What's the pool railing dip bars with some kind of adjustable thing in the middle of it?

Some of it looks very well thought out Vince but...

...why pink?

[DK II]

I made this leg press in 1987. Probably the best in the world, too. It has shock absorbers on it and the carriage bolts together. It can have two positions: lying down or seated. This unit cannot tip over.

It's a fcking leg press, just like any other leg press out there.

Your machines are fine, and it's cool you build them yourself but face it, if you buy one you get the same thing only way cheaper, given the fact you have to spend 100000 bucks to design a curl-machine. 

[DK II]

Sometimes I use materials I have laying around in the factory. Those rails were from a spa pool we had in one gym from 1990. I put them on the foot rest so people wouldn't walk into the low unit. Function was paramount there. Not everything I build will win a prize! How many gym owners do you know who even know how to weld or would get their hands dirty?

Props to you. That's really a good thing.

Your gym needs some work done though, and badly. Different lights, some color changes, some plants here and there. Do you have any free weights?

[OneManGang]

Vince, all respect to you. You are a great guy who have achieved a lot, which is more than can be said about these internet geeks picking on you (but you are feeding them by giving them too much attention).

BUT...if I were to train at your gym...I would feel like I was in some sort of science museum. It would not feel like a gym. And the equipment does not look very solid or durable, and I doubt that it has been through the same TQM procedures as equipment from the bigger brands. But good luck with the gym anyways..

[hazbin]

Don't you get it, Vince doesn't reply to any posts that makes sense, insult him or something and maybe you can get his attention...

no- you're thinking of shawn ray

[pumpster]

I would feel like I was in some sort of science museum. It would not feel like a gym. And the equipment does not look very solid or durable, and I doubt that it has been through the same TQM procedures as equipment from the bigger brands. But good luck with the gym anyways..

Doesn't look solid?  Those things are like tanks.

As far as science museum, psssst that's what machines look like LOL

[pumpster]

Whenever i think of Nautilus and Arthur Jones i'm reminded that the machines were sometimes great (pullover) and sometimes impefect ie triceps machine. After reading about them i finally was able to try much of the line around the mid-70s. Vince's mods make it closer to what it should have been.

[War-Horse]

Hi war-pony

Hello.



I see this thread turned into a "What vince created".....good stuff.

[will938]

Great thread Vince, and fantastic looking gym

[Army of One]

I was 5 - 9 1/2 and about 190 pounds in the Mr Canada. I was about 200 in the 75 shot.

Over the years I have always been trying to figure out what the exact theory of hypertrophy was. In other words, how does one go about making the muscles grow rapidly and to the maximum, and naturally. The DOMS theory just came to me about 9 years ago when I was trying to make my arms grow.They stopped at 17 inches and wouldn't grow no matter how much mechanical tension I applied. I changed an exercise and included the lying triceps extension and voila, sore muscles the next day. That was a revelation. I then wondered what would happen if I kept the muscle sore. Would it keep growing? Yes! I was doing arms and calves on alternate days just to see what would happen. Well, I sure got strong quickly. Two factors conspired to end that experiment and now I know better and can avoid those injuries. I was putting my elbows on the pad and I ended up with sore elbows. Apparently the sheath over the elbows became inflamed and I had to stop training triceps for a while. Today, we recommend keeping the elbows over the edge of the pads and no further injury has occurred. I need a lot of high rep warm ups to train heavy now.

The calves were a different story. I used short bouncing movements and my strength exploded. I was doing over ten sets with about 700 pounds on the standing calf machine for up to 70 reps, over and over with about 15 seconds rest between sets. I put over an inch on my calves and they were 18 1/4 cold standing straight up. My arms were 18 cold at the largest. I never had 18 inch cold arms before. I could pump my arms to 18 3/4 in the past but the biggest in the morning was 17 7/8. I put an inch on the arms and over an inch on the calves in 30 days.

I concluded that DOMS is the key to getting big rapidly. Get the muscle really sore and then retrain before the soreness goes away. In practice this means retraining the muscle every 3 or 4 days. If the muscle doesn't get sore you have to try something different, including training more frequently.

The key to getting DOMS is to do quite a few sets with the maximum resistance and each set taken to where you can't do any more reps. It remains an open question what would happen with extended maximum sets done for 4 to 12 hours a day. I am not that crazy to find out!

There is probably an equivalence theory that allows for different methods to generate the same results. Using DOMS as a guide it is possible to do whatever causes it and grow to the maximum and at the quickest rate. HST and HIT are probably not optimal methods. Volume with maximum resistance is the key.

The amount of resistance is guided by the level of DOMS generated. I am finding it is better to aim for about 15 reps in exercises. What happens is the reps drop off by the third maximum set. Doing 12 plus reps helps generate lactic acid pain and the pump. These are not irrelevant factors. Larry Scott discovered if you can pump the muscle bigger it will be bigger the next day.

My theory has been dismissed by those with agendas re science and pet theories. Heck, if something works then that is all the proof you need. Arthur Jones and Mike Mentzer were smart guys but high intensity training is not the short cut they said it was. We have to find the safest method and HIT will cause injuries, sooner or later. Arthur was absolutely correct when he encouraged us to not demonstrate strength. Why on earth Ronnie needs to deadlift and squat over 800 pounds is nothing but showing off. That is definitely how not to train for size.

Progression is a key factor so one should always be striving to increase resistance. However, it is imperative that exercise form and selection targets the muscle. If no DOMS then little growth will occur. This is not my opinion but a physiological fact that will be proven once the scientists get interested in maximum hypertrophy.

So we now know how to train and when to train and how many reps. The only thing most have to figure out is what exercises to use to generate soreness. Triceps need more than pressdowns. An exercise with the arm in a stretched position and arms stabilized in two directions is required.

Free weights might work but machines are better for most exercises. I don't expect most muscleheads to comprehend this or abandon their beliefs. That is why they won't appreciate what I have written.

The amazing thing is we all knew about DOMS. We all tried to avoid it. That is the opposite to what is optimal. The body adapts. Selye was right about that. They refer to that adaptation as the repeated bout effect. You have to avoid the RBE happening and that is why you keep the muscles sore.

You don't need to get all your muscles sore at the same time. You can target adjoining muscles and get them to grow. Do that for a few weeks then change and target other muscles. I am doing triceps and lat pulldowns at the moment. Biceps are very hard to get sore. With my torn biceps I can use my biceps supinator machine effectively.

Anyway, I am just some old fart living in Australia. So what if I have one of the best gyms in the world and have invented unique equipment. No one cares and I am dismissed as irrelevant and fat. I could prove my theory but whatever for? I have conceived a machine to train athletes for running. I approached a national track and field coach and he wasn't interested. Why should I bother? There is no interest in such things. Everyone is an expert is in this silly and self-indulgent pastime.

More like it Vince this is the stuff we wanna hear! Not the usual mindless drivel that goes nowhere.

[War-Horse]

Vince, did you train "Ivan Drago" to beat up "Rocky" in the movie???

[nycbull]

Its hard to tell in that picture if VInce has a bulge or not. He could be packin heat and we dont know it.

Vince can you comment on this?

[pumpster]

The only problem i have with Vince's "beach" shot is having allowed it without a shirt.

[G o a t b o y]

I am saying that some guys fancy fat and even superfat women. It is just another sexual preference. Most bodybuilders dare not be seen with fat women because they might get teased. Instead we find bodybuilding associated with slender women who need breast implants. Quite bizarre what bodybuilding for women has evolved into. Muscleheads are usually just ordinary guys with ordinary ideas and opinions. Just read Getbig to prove this.

VINCE = CHUBBY-CHASER

[G o a t b o y]

What nonsense?  Roz dumped you because you were no longer attracted to women weighing less than 400 lbs, right? 

[SirTraps]

Vince what is the biggest hog you ever boned ? over 400 lbs ?

[G o a t b o y]

Vince what is the biggest hog you ever boned ? over 400 lbs ?

Vince's dream girl:

[G o a t b o y]

Cindy has a bloke. She weighs over 500 pounds and is well known in size acceptance.

Figures Vince knows her name and status.  That should tell you something right there. 

[sgt. d]

Dude this is 2007.

Update your Battle of Gettysburg equipment

 

[G o a t b o y]

Dude this is 2007.

Update your Battle of Gettysburg equipment

 

Vince has been too busy hitting on 400-lb women to learn any new tricks re: equpiment.

[SirTraps]

Cindy has a bloke. She weighs over 500 pounds and is well known in size acceptance.

              What is this Bullshit term "size acceptance" Vince ?

                Just say it, Fat Fuckers and the perverts who bone them.

[sgt. d]

That is just a little safety fat

[OneManGang]

Cindy has a bloke. She weighs over 500 pounds and is well known in size acceptance.

Vince Basile = most successful troll ever???

[DK II]

I am saying that some guys fancy fat and even superfat women. It is just another sexual preference. Most bodybuilders dare not be seen with fat women because they might get teased. Instead we find bodybuilding associated with slender women who need breast implants. Quite bizarre what bodybuilding for women has evolved into. Muscleheads are usually just ordinary guys with ordinary ideas and opinions. Just read Getbig to prove this. [/b]

Captain Obvious strikes again.

If you don't like 'ordinary' guys go to www.gotbrain.com

If you like 'ordinary' guys who like 'ordinary sized' girls stay here.