Should we deport US citizens?

[Laughing Sam's Dice]

But the main problem needs to be addressed: The poor economy and situtation in Mexico.

If Mexico was on par with the rest of North America, there wouldn't be a problem.

USA, and to some extent Canada, needs to invest in Mexico, help bring up Mexico. That would help all three countries.

Instead of focusing on the Middle East, USA should spend resources on making North America bloom.

The U.S. is in debt to Mexico as we import much more than we export with them.  However, U.S. companies in Mexico continue to exploit workers as much as possible in order to improve their corporate profits.  This maintains the situation of Mexican workers seeking better wages in the U.S.

[loco]

I just think if you are to live in this country you should be required to speak the language.

I don't disagree with you.  Just stating the facts.  In the US, business and money come first, right?  It shouldn't be that way, but it is.

[Hedgehog]

Deport the parents and use the children for meat. This will help decrease the possibility of Mad Cow Disease in the US. 

Seems like A Modest Proposal...

-Hedge

[headhuntersix]

Sollent green is Mexicans!!!!!!!!!!

[Camel Jockey]

I believe in everything you said there.   I just think when we have people who don;t speak English in this country it's not good overall in the sense of integration and communication.  I believe it promotes separation and misunderstanding. 

I just think if you are to live in this country you should be required to speak the language.

Exactly.

Intentar apenda ingles, putas!

Yo estoy cansado de parlante espanol a tu putas.

[OzmO]

Exactly.

Intentar apenda ingles, putas!

Yo estoy cansado de parlante espanol a tu putas.

I know what putas means.....   

[loco]

Exactly.

Intentar apenda ingles, putas!

Yo estoy cansado de parlante espanol a tu putas.

Yeah, but one of these days, you may end up working for one of those putas.  They may not speak English as fluently as you, but they are not stupid and many are very wealthy and their numbers in the US keep increasing.   

[Camel Jockey]

Yeah, but one of these days, you may end up working for one of those putas.  They may not speak English as fluently as you, but they are not stupid and many are very wealthy and their numbers in the US keep increasing.   

Oh really?

The hispanics that are well off in America are legal residents and speak fluent english.


And my demographic has a higher household per capita income, more education and lower rates of crime. Go look in the US census bureau or the admission offices of IVY league schools. 

Several hispanics work for my uncles, whether it's their resteraunts or groceries. 

[loco]

Oh really?

The hispanics that are well off in America are legal residents and speak fluent english.


And my demographic has a higher household per capita income, more education and lower rates of crime. Go look in the US census bureau or the admission offices of IVY league schools. 

Several hispanics work for my uncles, whether it's their resteraunts or groceries. 

Really. 

A Hispanic does not have to be fluent in English to be a legal resident.  Not all Spanish speaking American citizens speak fluent English.  If a Hispanic has had legal residence in the US for 15 years and is over 55 years old, that person can take the citizenship test(US History/Government) in Espaņol.  There are study materials for them in Espaņol out there.  I know several that own business in the US and hire American born citizens.

[Camel Jockey]

Really. 

A Hispanic does not have to be fluent in Spanish to be a legal resident.  Not all Spanish speaking American citizens speak fluent English.  If a Hispanic has had legal residence in the US for 15 years and is over 55 years old, that person can take the citizenship test(US History/Government) in Espaņol.  There are study materials for them in Espaņol out there.  I know several that own business in the US and hire American born citizens.

Whatever.

The business owning hispanics I know(from Ecuador, Colombia, Puerto Rico) and dealt with were fluent in english and not very domian loyal to their respective homelands. I get mistaken for being hispanic often due to my complexion.  And I really love certain hispanic women. 

[Hedgehog]

I know what putas means.....   

And I know what fullar and culo means.

-Hedge

[Cap]

Camel  Jockey,
Is somebody really forcing you to press 1 for English?  How dare they?  Most companies use English by default and just say press 1 or press 2 for Espaņol if you wish.  And I don't believe that this will stop even if you deport all illegal aliens.  It's called Capitalism.  The Spanish speaking population in the US is huge.  I am talking about Spanish speaking American citizens who prefer to do business in Espaņol.  Businesses know this and they will cater to those customers.  If you own a business and decide not to cater to Spanish speaking American citizens, that's fine, but you will lose business.

Yes, 411 is forcing me to press 1 for English, among other places.  Deport them all.  If they do not have citizenship then they are not citizens, merely squatters.  Illegal immigrants have said they don't even want the open door at the cost of 5 grand for citizenship.  It's pathetic.  I bet they make at least 10 grand a year and they don't pay income taxes.  Hmm...

[OzmO]

Yes, 411 is forcing me to press 1 for English, among other places.  Deport them all.  If they do not have citizenship then they are not citizens, merely squatters.  Illegal immigrants have said they don't even want the open door at the cost of 5 grand for citizenship.  It's pathetic.  I bet they make at least 10 grand a year and they don't pay income taxes.  Hmm...

But what about the kids born int eh US?   The are legally citizens.  Deport Us citizens also?

[Decker]

1.  Of course.

2.  Cannot. 

On point sir!

[Cap]

But what about the kids born int eh US?   The are legally citizens.  Deport Us citizens also?

No but they will likely leave with mom and dad or stay with others who are legal but illegals need to go.

[OzmO]

No but they will likely leave with mom and dad or stay with others who are legal but illegals need to go.

So you think we should advocate ripping families apart?   We are not talking about a thousand kids here,  we are probably talking about 5 million.   5 million US citizens who by the right of our constitution (14th amendment)  are US citizens and we are telling them they must leave or be separated from their family?

that makes no sense Cap

[Laughing Sam's Dice]

 5 million US citizens who by the right of our constitution (14th amendment)  are US citizens and we are telling them they must leave or be separated from their family?

It seems like the parents, if being deported, will make the decision whether to take their kids, or to leave them with family in the U.S.  If the parents don't return, the kids can return legally when they are ready.

[OzmO]

It seems like the parents, if being deported, will make the decision whether to take their kids, or to leave them with family in the U.S.  If the parents don't return, the kids can return legally when they are ready.

then what of the citizenship status of those kids in Mexico?   Will that be a problem?   And the fact remains:  we are forcing US citiznes to leave.  what about the 1 year child?   there are probably 500,000 of them.

[Laughing Sam's Dice]

then what of the citizenship status of those kids in Mexico?   Will that be a problem?   And the fact remains:  we are forcing US citiznes to leave.  what about the 1 year child?   there are probably 500,000 of them.

I'm not aware of any Mexican policy that prohibits children born of Mexican immigrants in American from living in Mexico.  U.S. immigration policy isn't forcing 1-year-old American born babies to leave.  The parents decide whether its in the best interest for the kid to stay with relatives in the U.S. or return with them when the parents are deported.

[Cap]

So you think we should advocate ripping families apart?   We are not talking about a thousand kids here,  we are probably talking about 5 million.   5 million US citizens who by the right of our constitution (14th amendment)  are US citizens and we are telling them they must leave or be separated from their family?

that makes no sense Cap

Not my problem.  Illegal immigrants do not belong.  This crap would not fly in any other country yet we put up with it.  Why?  They should have never come here or come here legally OR apply for citizenship in the 10, 15, 20+ years they have been here.  I am not going to feel sorry for families who are here illegally and tell them to stay.  There is no economic benefit if they are citizens. 

THAT makes sense to me. 

[OzmO]

Not my problem.  Illegal immigrants do not belong.  This crap would not fly in any other country yet we put up with it.  Why?  They should have never come here or come here legally OR apply for citizenship in the 10, 15, 20+ years they have been here.  I am not going to feel sorry for families who are here illegally and tell them to stay.  There is no economic benefit if they are citizens. 

THAT makes sense to me. 

Then what about the children?  I get you don't want illegals here,  but i don't think you understand the dynamic of the children who are US citizens ranging in ages from 1 day to 18 years old.  Are you saying the hell with them also AND not honoring the constitution?

[OzmO]

I'm not aware of any Mexican policy that prohibits children born of Mexican immigrants in American from living in Mexico.  U.S. immigration policy isn't forcing 1-year-old American born babies to leave.  The parents decide whether its in the best interest for the kid to stay with relatives in the U.S. or return with them when the parents are deported.

If they deport the parents the children are directly being forced to leave or be separated.  therefore we are deporting US citizens or breaking families apart.

[Laughing Sam's Dice]

If they deport the parents the children are directly being forced to leave or be separated.  therefore we are deporting US citizens or breaking families apart.

That's some broken logic.  Again, the parents make the decision of what is in the best interest of their kids.  Parents have the responsibility for their actions, both illegally entering the country, and deciding what to do with their kids if they are to be deported.

[OzmO]

That's some broken logic.  Again, the parents make the decision of what is in the best interest of their kids.  Parents have the responsibility for their actions, both illegally entering the country, and deciding what to do with their kids if they are to be deported.

But aren't we forcing the issue on the Kids who are American citizens?   And we are forcing the parents to make a decision on OUR citizens.  What of a 15 year old?  Will they be allowed into Mexico and be able to go to school?

Just understand....i am raising questions here only.  I'm not taking a position.

[Cap]

Then what about the children?  I get you don't want illegals here,  but i don't think you understand the dynamic of the children who are US citizens ranging in ages from 1 day to 18 years old.  Are you saying the hell with them also AND not honoring the constitution?

I am not saying they shouldn't stay. What I am saying is that I am not going to make an exception for their illegal parents because their children are legal.  That is not a US problem and has nothing to do with honoring the Constitution.