Clinton's Caught Eavesdropping

[Decker]

Something should be done where they don't have to wait 4 days and still get judicial approval.    We could have "on-call" judges.   

FISA permits spying on americans without a warrant as long as the warrant is applied for within 3 days of the spying act.  It's retroactive permission.

Bush just ignored that.

[militarymuscle69]

Something should be done where they don't have to wait 4 days and still get judicial approval.    We could have "on-call" judges.   

if it was a several hour process I would be cool with it...but several days? That is no way to stop terrorism

[Decker]

if it was a several hour process I would be cool with it...but several days? That is no way to stop terrorism

The law could have been changed.

But pres. Bush just ignored the law and flipped the bird to Congress by authorizing the spying in direct violation of FISA.  That is not allowed in our constitutional form of government.

[OzmO]

The law could have been changed.

But pres. Bush just ignored the law and flipped the bird to Congress by authorizing the spying in direct violation of FISA.  That is not allowed in our constitutional form of government.

These days it seems to be 

[militarymuscle69]

oh nothing was hurt...and you guys talk about Repub fear mongering?

[Decker]

oh nothing was hurt...and you guys talk about Repub fear mongering?

Damage to our government's separation of powers is fear mongering?

[The Coach]

You should.

Could you imagine President Clinton spying on Americans without a warrant?

I didn't think so.

Yes, he's done it..it didn't bother me. Did you miss the title of the thread ??

[militarymuscle69]

Damage to our government's separation of powers is fear mongering?

in this case yes....tell me what it hurt...not what it might have hurt but what it did hurt

[The Coach]

I'm curious though, did you condemn Nixon for his secret wiretaps?

Dude, I was 10 or 12, I could care less

[The Enigma]

Yes, he's done it..it didn't bother me.

Ok Mr Hate, be honest......you go home tonite and you unexpectedly find hidden micophones and camera's, planted all over your home. Do you mind?

[The Enigma]

DO YOU MIND?

[militarymuscle69]

Ok Mr Hate, be honest......you go home tonite and you unexpectedly find hidden micophones and camera's, planted all over your home. Do you mind?

guess I missed the story when that happened.....hell as I sit here there is some clown watching everything I do...who cares?

[ieffinhatecardio]

Dude, I was 10 or 12, I could care less

Yeah, I didn't think you'd answer. I was but a itch in my daddy's ball sack that's not really the point though.

Nice deflection of course.

[The Coach]

Ok Mr Hate, be honest......you go home tonite and you unexpectedly find hidden micophones and camera's, planted all over your home. Do you mind?

Considering it doesn't happen like that, never has and never will.

Still trying to figure out the "Mr. Hate" thing, like I said, it's no worse than anyone else on here, but I guess when a Liberal starts a thread about the Pres or another Republican or conservative it ok.........whatever!

[ToxicAvenger]

Really? Is that what your state ran media told you?

no..its a self made observation...

sadaam and bush aren't all that different..

[The Coach]

no..its a self made observation...

sadaam and bush aren't all that different..

When was the last time Bush killed millions of his own people?

[The Enigma]

Considering it doesn't happen like that, never has and never will.

How would you know the inner working's of Government surveillance?

[ToxicAvenger]

When was the last time Bush killed millions of his own people?

now i want you to answer me this questions


1) we were friends with saddam..exactly what majic # of people did he have to kill for us to be pissed?  143233 we r ok with 143234..o noo now ya gone done it?

2) dontcha think if the BIGGEST army on this planet if about to ask your ass..you miiiight wanna use them WMDs if ya had em?


3)  why didn;'t we ever go after him...orr did we develop our morals after his era??

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/pot.html

maybe its cause he didn't have oil eh..

[tu_holmes]

I am as against big government as anyone, but being military I see the value of the right people being able to intercept messages and reacting instead of waiting 4 days for permission and it being to late. As far as abortion, you are right that is doens't affect me but I'm not worried about me. I am concerned for a baby that has no choice...but in the long run ONE thing bugs me about abortion....if you kill a baby 1 month before born it is fine, but kill that baby 1 day after it is born and you go to prison for murder.....

I thought Bush could get the warrants retroactively, but just decides not to bother?


As far as the original point... Hillary has always been evil... I've never liked her... If she did something illegal, she should be tried for it.

[The Enigma]

people being able to intercept messages and reacting instead of waiting 4 days for permission and it being to late.

That is patently false. The Government has 3 days beforing needing a judges stamp.

[OzmO]

When was the last time Bush killed millions of his own people?

he didn't kill millions.  by the estimates provided by the kurds which can be argued as tainted, they say 300k.  but if "millions" ads drama and impact to your arguments by all means say it.

[Dos Equis]

he didn't kill millions.  by the estimates provided by the kurds which can be argued as tainted, they say 300k.  but if "millions" ads drama and impact to your arguments by all means say it.

Don't know how accurate this is:

Kill tally: Approaching two million, including between 150,000 and 340,000 Iraqi and between 450,000 and 730,000 Iranian combatants killed during the Iran-Iraq War. An estimated 1,000 Kuwaiti nationals killed following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. No conclusive figures for the number of Iraqis killed during the Gulf War, with estimates varying from as few as 1,500 to as many as 200,000. Over 100,000 Kurds killed or "disappeared". No reliable figures for the number of Iraqi dissidents and Shia Muslims killed during Hussein's reign, though estimates put the figure between 60,000 and 150,000. (Mass graves discovered following the US occupation of Iraq in 2003 suggest that the total combined figure for Kurds, Shias and dissidents killed could be as high as 300,000). Approximately 500,000 Iraqi children dead because of international trade sanctions introduced following the Gulf War.

. . .

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html

[The Enigma]

When was the last time Bush killed millions of his own people?

Considering Bush has exterminated more Iraqi's than Saddam ever did...........that should be a pround accomplishment for all YOU Neocons.

Saddam was hung for just 16 deaths............and all we ever heard was how he gassed all his people. If so, why was he not tried for these "crimes"?

Bush & Co manage 16 new Iraqi deaths every 10 minutes. 

[militarymuscle69]

Considering Bush has exterminated more Iraqi's than Saddam ever did...........that should be a pround accomplishment for all YOU Neocons.

Saddam was hung for just 16 deaths............and all we ever heard was how he gassed all his people. If so, why was he not tried for these "crimes"?

Bush & Co manage 16 new Iraqi deaths every 10 minutes. 

hey smart guy..show me how many deaths in this war that were Iraqi citizens are directly attributed to the American military and not suicide bombs....

[Decker]

Yes, he's done it..it didn't bother me. Did you miss the title of the thread ??

No I didn't miss the title of the thread.

What gets me upset is your moral relativism.

I see it all the time from Bush apologists, in this case:  "Look a democrat spied just like the president spied, how about that..."

Unlike you, I am not a moral relativist and I don't equate x with y b/c it is rhetorically expedient to do so for the purpose of my political prejudices.