mary jane for bulking up

[pugalist666]

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[whitewidow]

is commen knowledge that mixing booze and gear  is retarded for your liver , but has any one here have any experience ( or know any one ) who has used marijuana munchies for trying to bulk up when there not hungry and are there any know negative androgenic side effects from smokeing weed ?

works very well for me. no side effects/ works better than any steroid actually for increasing appetite. I can eat countless times. as long as you dont slack off on your training and cardio its fine. if your worried about increased estrogen use a AI.

[Luv2Hurt]

I have smoked some weed in my day, right now I am not for a while.  But will say the munchies are for real big time!  pot will stimulate your appetite a lot!  So much that I had to stop because I could not control my eating, I'm sure I will visit Mary Jane again one day but not now. 

Here is an example of an out of control night with Mary:  Dinner at 7:00pm 2 NY strip steaks, asparagus, half a small sweet potato. 7:30 Post dinner bowl of weed. 8:30pm 4oz natural peanut butter 3 metrex chocolate chocolate chunk protein bars. 9:00pm 1/2 cup of almonds, 4oz Peanut butter 2 more protein bars 10pm 2 more protein bars.  7 protein bars=approx 2240 calories. half a jar PB =approx 1750 calories. half cup almonds= approx 1500 calories. 700 calories

Total 5490 4650 calories AFTER dinner!  Yeah the weed will make you hungry no matter what.  EQ stimulates appetite  try some dank! LOL

* Correction to above half cup almonds is more like 700calories,  Brings the total to about 4650 calories.

[whitewidow]

I have smoked some weed in my day, right now I am not for a while.  But will say the munchies are for real big time!  pot will stimulate your appetite a lot!  So much that I had to stop because I could not control my eating, I'm sure I will visit Mary Jane again one day but not now. 

Here is an example of an out of control night with Mary:  Dinner at 7:00pm 2 NY strip steaks, asparagus, half a small sweet potato. 7:30 Post dinner bowl of weed. 8:30pm 4oz natural peanut butter 3 metrex chocolate chocolate chunk protein bars. 9:00pm 1/2 cup of almonds, 4oz Peanut butter 2 more protein bars 10pm 2 more protein bars.  7 protein bars=approx 2240 calories. half a jar PB =approx 1750 calories. half cup almonds= approx 1500 calories.

Total 5490 calories AFTER dinner!  Yeah the weed will make you hungry no matter what.  EQ stimulates appetite  try some dank! LOL

Exactly. It is the best hands down for appetite stimulation. injectable dbol, EQ have nothing on it. without it there is no way I could get in as many meals as I do. just dont smoke it before workouts.

[Overload]

works very well for me. no side effects/ works better than any steroid actually for increasing appetite. I can eat countless times. as long as you dont slack off on your training and cardio its fine. if your worried about increased estrogen use a AI.

I agree...just don't smoke all day.

i rarely smoke but when i did regularly it never effected my training or work. my old workout partner and i used to smoke after lifting weights and then eat a huge meal.

i wish pot and AAS were legal.

[trab]

I have smoked some weed in my day, right now I am not for a while.  But will say the munchies are for real big time!  pot will stimulate your appetite a lot!  So much that I had to stop because I could not control my eating, I'm sure I will visit Mary Jane again one day but not now. 

Here is an example of an out of control night with Mary:  Dinner at 7:00pm 2 NY strip steaks, asparagus, half a small sweet potato. 7:30 Post dinner bowl of weed. 8:30pm 4oz natural peanut butter 3 metrex chocolate chocolate chunk protein bars. 9:00pm 1/2 cup of almonds, 4oz Peanut butter 2 more protein bars 10pm 2 more protein bars.  7 protein bars=approx 2240 calories. half a jar PB =approx 1750 calories. half cup almonds= approx 1500 calories. 700 calories

Total 5490 4650 calories AFTER dinner!  Yeah the weed will make you hungry no matter what.  EQ stimulates appetite  try some dank! LOL

* Correction to above half cup almonds is more like 700calories,  Brings the total to about 4650 calories.

Damn good thing you lift weights Luv,  You'd be a SLOB!

[whitewidow]

I agree...just don't smoke all day.

i rarely smoke but when i did regularly it never effected my training or work. my old workout partner and i used to smoke after lifting weights and then eat a huge meal.

i wish pot and AAS were legal.

I actually grow it legally. state laws where I am from are lenient. you can caretake for somebody who has a medical condition. all it takes is filling out paperwork and 300$ and you can legally grow 8 plants. technically not for yourself but nobody checks up and real get bent-lol

[Luv2Hurt]

Damn good thing you lift weights Luv,  You'd be a SLOB!

Yeah even with mucho training couldnt keep that up for long.

[dragonheart]

been a long time since I blazed one.  All this talk makes me want to

[Overload]

I actually grow it legally. state laws where I am from are lenient. you can caretake for somebody who has a medical condition. all it takes is filling out paperwork and 300$ and you can legally grow 8 plants. technically not for yourself but nobody checks up and real get bent-lol

Must be nice.

I live a few hours from Mexico so i get shit cheap.

[delta9mda]

i used to smoke and it got to a point where i was not getting munchies anymore. i stopped.

[melissa]

i don't smoke or TRY to bulk up, lol....but i have heard dave palumbo say numerous times that weed OBLITERATES test levels...so while it may make you hungry...it seems all the gains if any would be more fat than muscle.

[wes mantooth]

i don't smoke or TRY to bulk up, lol....but i have heard dave palumbo say numerous times that weed OBLITERATES test levels...so while it may make you hungry...it seems all the gains if any would be more fat than muscle.

i read that too....it said something about increasing estrogen in the body..

ill try to find it...

[powerpack]

i don't smoke or TRY to bulk up, lol....but i have heard dave palumbo say numerous times that weed OBLITERATES test levels...so while it may make you hungry...it seems all the gains if any would be more fat than muscle.

It does lower your natural T levels and raise your E levels but these guys are taking gear so it does not really matter for them.

[wes mantooth]

It does lower your natural T levels and raise your E levels but these guys are taking gear so it does not really matter for them.

mmmmmm...you might be suprised...

lowering test and elevating estrogen is a no no in this "spot" regardless of how many cc's your pumping in...

[melissa]

i read that too....it said something about increasing estrogen in the body..

ill try to find it...

riiiiiight....i cant see how anything that raises estrogen and lowers test can be good.  even with an anti-e....lower test is not anabolic...isn't that the whole idea?

[whitewidow]

i don't smoke or TRY to bulk up, lol....but i have heard dave palumbo say numerous times that weed OBLITERATES test levels...so while it may make you hungry...it seems all the gains if any would be more fat than muscle.

Ok and palumbo also was jailed for selling of all things BUNK SEROSTIM, lets see this is also the guy behind billygunz's amazing physique- WHY SHOULD WE LISTEN TO DAVE?? WHAT HAS HE WON AGAIN?? PLEASE REFRESH MY MEMORY.. ALSO IF YOUR LOADED ON JUICE A LITTLE DECREASE IN TESTOSTERONE WILL NOT HURT AND IF YOU ARE USING THE RIGHT ANCHILERIES YOU WILL BE FINE! DAVE MEANS WELL BUT SOME OF HIS ADVICE IS AWFUL!! YOU SHOULD SEE THE STACK HE RECCOMENDED TO BILLY VERY OVERBOARD FOR A GUY LIKE BILLY. HIS NEWBIE STACKS ARE ALL OVERBOARD.

[Overload]

It does lower your natural T levels and raise your E levels but these guys are taking gear so it does not really matter for them.

it does on a VERY small scale...like .01% change.

[Luv2Hurt]

i don't smoke or TRY to bulk up, lol....but i have heard dave palumbo say numerous times that weed OBLITERATES test levels...so while it may make you hungry...it seems all the gains if any would be more fat than muscle.

This is an old wives tale and I have never seen any research to back it up.  But here is some that says it does NOT lower T levels, this is the most recent study on this topic also.

Some of Daves thinking seems a little outdated.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=1935564&ordinalpos=10&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

[Arnold jr]

Ok and palumbo also was jailed for selling of all things BUNK SEROSTIM, lets see this is also the guy behind billygunz's amazing physique- WHY SHOULD WE LISTEN TO DAVE?? WHAT HAS HE WON AGAIN?? PLEASE REFRESH MY MEMORY.. ALSO IF YOUR LOADED ON JUICE A LITTLE DECREASE IN TESTOSTERONE WILL NOT HURT AND IF YOU ARE USING THE RIGHT ANCHILERIES YOU WILL BE FINE! DAVE MEANS WELL BUT SOME OF HIS ADVICE IS AWFUL!! YOU SHOULD SEE THE STACK HE RECCOMENDED TO BILLY VERY OVERBOARD FOR A GUY LIKE BILLY. HIS NEWBIE STACKS ARE ALL OVERBOARD.

White, obviously you're on of my "preferred posters on this board, but I'm still going to have to disagree with you here on your view of Dave P.

Why should we listen to him?

He was a top national level competitor, he won and placed very high at several national shows...some of the ones he didn't win have often been questioned...most believe it was political...particularly the 96 nationlas where he lost to Jay Cutler.

Although not a "card carrying" Pro, his training/nutrition/supplement advice has paid off for many people. Look what he's done for Evan Centopani and Tony Freeman these past few years...particularly tony, who struggled for years and didn't start do do well until he got with Dave.

Selling fake GH...you're right, he was convicted for selling GH, but there was no proof that he ever new it was fake. Even so, for the sake of argument, lets say he did know, this does not change the fact that his advice on BB is generally right on point.

Billy Gunns. Whether you like Billy or not, how he turns out is not on Dave...Dave can give him all the "right" advice in the world, but it's still up to Billy to use it and take advantage of it. Although Billy is not a world class physique, how many of us here are, he still made a vast improvement from where he was when he started...that's got to be worth something.

His newbie cycle advice: Different strokes for different folks I guess. I don't always agree with every thing Dave says about this....I don't agree with anyone person on any topic completely, no matter how much I respect their advice...we all have our own opinions on things. But I've never read where Dave advised some person just starting out to do something AAS wise that would put their life in danger.

[whitewidow]

White, obviously you're on of my "preferred posters on this board, but I'm still going to have to disagree with you here on your view of Dave P.

Why should we listen to him?

He was a top national level competitor, he won and placed very high at several national shows...some of the ones he didn't win have often been questioned...most believe it was political...particularly the 96 nationlas where he lost to Jay Cutler.

Although not a "card carrying" Pro, his training/nutrition/supplement advice has paid off for many people. Look what he's done for Evan Centopani and Tony Freeman these past few years...particularly tony, who struggled for years and didn't start do do well until he got with Dave.

Selling fake GH...you're right, he was convicted for selling GH, but there was no proof that he ever new it was fake. Even so, for the sake of argument, lets say he did know, this does not change the fact that his advice on BB is generally right on point.

Billy Gunns. Whether you like Billy or not, how he turns out is not on Dave...Dave can give him all the "right" advice in the world, but it's still up to Billy to use it and take advantage of it. Although Billy is not a world class physique, how many of us here are, he still made a vast improvement from where he was when he started...that's got to be worth something.

His newbie cycle advice: Different strokes for different folks I guess. I don't always agree with every thing Dave says about this....I don't agree with anyone person on any topic completely, no matter how much I respect their advice...we all have our own opinions on things. But I've never read where Dave advised some person just starting out to do something AAS wise that would put their life in danger.

well its one thing reccomending evan a cycle but billy is another ballgame. that boy needs help not steroids.  as for the shows even if he won and went pro I doubt the guy would have ever cracked top 10 even in the 10k ifbb shows.

[Arnold jr]

well its one thing reccomending evan a cycle but billy is another ballgame. that boy needs help not steroids.  as for the shows even if he won and went pro I doubt the guy would have ever cracked top 10 even in the 10k ifbb shows.

Would he have done well as a pro? Who knows...if he had turned pro, it's impossible to predict what might have happened. Even so, pro or not, you can't discount knowledge based on this. Take any of the top gurus out there, most of them are not pro's nor have they ever been. Hany, Nichols, Glass, etc. But no one discounts their level of knowledge based on this non pro status...several people, including many of the top pro competitors still pay them for their advice. Chad's my favorite example of this, although not a fat ass by any means, it's not like he even closely resembles a hardcore BB...but he's still pulling in the top pro competitors.

[whitewidow]

Would he have done well as a pro? Who knows...if he had turned pro, it's impossible to predict what might have happened. Even so, pro or not, you can't discount knowledge based on this. Take any of the top gurus out there, most of them are not pro's nor have they ever been. Hany, Nichols, Glass, etc. But no one discounts their level of knowledge based on this non pro status...several people, including many of the top pro competitors still pay them for their advice. Chad's my favorite example of this, although not a fat ass by any means, it's not like he even closely resembles a hardcore BB...but he's still pulling in the top pro competitors.

I talk to the this older bodybuilder guy late 40's who owns one of the local supp shops we are in business together and talk alot. The guy is probably the only guy who I would take advice from and one thing he always says is to not listen to palumbo! he really seems to dissagree with alot of what the guy says. id take this guys word over anybodys hes been in the game so long. Im not saying palumbos advice does not work for some but there are definately people out there giving out better advice and cycles you just got to catch them when they have had a few-lol