How does ones stomach get this big?

[toolarge4u]

Short term - too much food

Long term - visceral fat

dont forget in some cases water as well

[Disgusted]

dont forget in some cases water as well

Water in the stomach?

[BEAST 8692]

Water in the stomach?

i think he means under the skin, but i don't think that's the issue (distended gut) at all in that pic.

[Disgusted]

i think he means under the skin, but i don't think that's the issue (distended gut) at all in that pic.

Of so then you're right it's not an issue.

[toolarge4u]

Water in the stomach?

come on this is entry level stuff jim

The large intestine is responsible for absorption of water and excretion of solid. Sometimes in BB'ers in extreme condition and using of certain compounds can slow this process down and hold excess, hence bloat. Its rare but it does happen, esp if these guess use opiates or nubain which slows digestion and the process even more.

[BEAST 8692]

come on this is entry level stuff jim

The large intestine is responsible for absorption of water and excretion of solid. Sometimes in BB'ers in extreme condition and using of certain compounds can slow this process down and hold excess, hence bloat. Its rare but it does happen, esp if these guess use opiates or nubain which slows digestion and the process even more.

no

the mass that is causing the distention is obviously located behind the abdominal wall.

if it was, as you say, bloat from poor digestion/bowel movement the bulge would be in the navel area and it would have a totally different appearance.

[toolarge4u]

no

the mass that is causing the distention is obviously located behind the abdominal wall.

if it was, as you say, bloat from poor digestion/bowel movement the bulge would be in the navel area and it would have a totally different appearance.

i didnt say him directly, i just threw out another instance that happens. As for location, if its stomach related it would not behind the navel, intestinal would for the most part, you are correct. But you cant lock it down to the area, swelling can be shown all over the area. I have been in such misery before.

Jim is right one with dennis being viseral fat from probably insulin use or igf use...i wasnt saying he was wrong believe me. Guy knows his shit.

[240 is Back]

Brilliant graphic, Disgusted!

make a lot of sense now.

[BayGBM]

 

[disco_stu]

D...is this really the case?...i mean we have ultra low BFat levels and that would also mean very low storage levels due to the depletion cycle...i wouldve thought that in a very lean specimen bordering on manutrition this area (any area of fat storage) would be very small- and in relative terms be even smaller on the healthy bbuilder who's pancreas works.

your pics show diabetics with reasonable levels of bfat and the graphic is understandable as too is the correlation to diabetics. Do you have any evidence to suggest that normally healthy people that are very low bfat subjects also store extremely high levels of VFat?

im finding it hard to believe that this is the case as my understanding of weight loss is based on the fact that the body will use its existing fat reserves before making any significant reduction in subcutaneous fat levels.

is the organ thing a myth?...is it just bones that grow? ive heard of deformed eyes, enlarged hearts and lungs from hgh and maybe the wives tale of intestines...

[Pollux]

is it not supposed to be from enlarged internal organs?

Yup. From growth hormones.

[The Coach]

I could eat and eat and eat and never could I attain a stomach like this.   How does he do it?  Why would he do it?

Carb deficit + carb load + insulin = insulin over production = distended gut.

[Moen]

How do you get rid off it ?

Also the regular non-bb'ers you posted that have it, what do they have to do ?

[davidleiper]

OK, I'm confused here!

The initial set of pictures posted by Disgusted are (as he describes) HIV patients whom may have been treated with antiretroviral therapy. What we witness in these pictures is Lipodystrophy, a metabolic syndrome of,as yet, unclear pathogenesis. As you can see from the pictures there is a loss of body fat from the limbs and a build up in the trunk ; so-called centri-petal obesity. I have no argument with what these pictures demonstrate. They have NOTHING to do with Dennis James though!

Dennis James (to my knowledge) is not HIV positive and thus is unlikely to have partaken of antiretroviral therapy. He is none-the-less a professional bodybuilder and as such is highly likely to have partaken in the use (at high levels) of Human Growth Hormone, anabolic steroids and insulin.

The clinical evidence is that Human Growth Hormone will REDUCE visceral fat stores (in fact it is used as treatment in patients such as the ones illustrated). I have yet to see an insulin dependent diabetic develop lipodystrophic signs from insulin usage.

I would be interested to know to what extent insulin plays in the pecontest preparation of professional bodybuilders? Certainly in the offseason with insulin usage there could be some build up fat.  To my mind 12-16 weeks of serious dieting coupled with resistance training and cardio will cause significant depletion of bodyfat stores including any visceral fat. Add to this that growth hormone will also reduce the visceral fat level and I struggle to find visceral fat the sole culprit for this distension.

Thus I am unclear on just how much blame can be put on insulin and visceral fat as the culprit for the abdominal distension of some of todays bodybuilders.

Perhaps visceral fat has some role, however surely the use of Human growth hormone and its effects on organomegaly (liver, pancreas, spleen) and muscle hypertrophy (including the smooth muscle of the intestinal wall) HAS to be part of the problem as well?

Just my thoughts (excuse the noob!)

Dave.

[Big Worm]

I could eat and eat and eat and never could I attain a stomach like this.   How does he do it?  Why would he do it?

PLease change title of Post to ... Squadfather...How does one's stomache get this big?

[Disgusted]

come on this is entry level stuff jim

The large intestine is responsible for absorption of water and excretion of solid. Sometimes in BB'ers in extreme condition and using of certain compounds can slow this process down and hold excess, hence bloat. Its rare but it does happen, esp if these guess use opiates or nubain which slows digestion and the process even more.

Sometimes I ask a question simply to get the people making a claim to think about what it is they are actually asking.

The stomach distention as far as this thread is addressing has nothing to do with water in the intestines and or accumulation of food. Also, you simply said "water in the stomach" No reason not to take you literally. You mentioned nothing of water in the intestines. Not raggin on you bro.

I think at times it is a good idea to use a laxative to get rid of all the food in the intestines especially if a person is constipated, BUT it will not have an effect on the stomach if it is visceral fat that is causing the distention problem. If someone were to use a laxative then they also need to take into consideration the water loss and if they are using diuretics since most laxatives work by bringing water into the intestines.

[Disgusted]

D...is this really the case?...i mean we have ultra low BFat levels and that would also mean very low storage levels due to the depletion cycle...i wouldve thought that in a very lean specimen bordering on manutrition this area (any area of fat storage) would be very small- and in relative terms be even smaller on the healthy bbuilder who's pancreas works.

your pics show diabetics with reasonable levels of bfat and the graphic is understandable as too is the correlation to diabetics. Do you have any evidence to suggest that normally healthy people that are very low bfat subjects also store extremely high levels of VFat?

im finding it hard to believe that this is the case as my understanding of weight loss is based on the fact that the body will use its existing fat reserves before making any significant reduction in subcutaneous fat levels.

is the organ thing a myth?...is it just bones that grow? ive heard of deformed eyes, enlarged hearts and lungs from hgh and maybe the wives tale of intestines...

You bring up some excellent points. Let me try and answer all of them.

If is true that visceral fat storage in a person is the FIRST fat that the body will use when dieting to lose fat BUT!!! not in BBers that are using insulin!!! They are screwing with the mechanism that a normal person would be utilizing with a fat loss regime. By using exogenis insulin their bodies are simply being told to hold on to this fat even while dieting for a show.

Now, not only do they take insulin during their mass building phase, but they also are using insulin to carb up for a show. Let's assume that they would stop using it say 12 weeks out. Maybe then they would have some time to lose the visceral fat storage on a normal diet, but the fact that they are using it to carb up on means that they are never giving themsleves a chance to utilize this visceral fat. Add to this the extreme amounts of food that they are consuming in the last days only adds to the distention problem.

And yes for the last time ( I doubt it  ) the enlarged organ issue is a myth as much as Sean is a christian. 

[Disgusted]

OK, I'm confused here!

The initial set of pictures posted by Disgusted are (as he describes) HIV patients whom may have been treated with antiretroviral therapy. What we witness in these pictures is Lipodystrophy, a metabolic syndrome of,as yet, unclear pathogenesis. As you can see from the pictures there is a loss of body fat from the limbs and a build up in the trunk ; so-called centri-petal obesity. I have no argument with what these pictures demonstrate. They have NOTHING to do with Dennis James though!



Dennis James (to my knowledge) is not HIV positive and thus is unlikely to have partaken of antiretroviral therapy. He is none-the-less a professional bodybuilder and as such is highly likely to have partaken in the use (at high levels) of Human Growth Hormone, anabolic steroids and insulin.


You are right, the only thing they do is show is an example if visceral fat storage. I posted those to show the people who may have thought that enlarged organ growth was the cause.


The clinical evidence is that Human Growth Hormone will REDUCE visceral fat stores (in fact it is used as treatment in patients such as the ones illustrated). I have yet to see an insulin dependent diabetic develop lipodystrophic signs from insulin usage.

See above


I would be interested to know to what extent insulin plays in the pecontest preparation of professional bodybuilders? Certainly in the offseason with insulin usage there could be some build up fat.  To my mind 12-16 weeks of serious dieting coupled with resistance training and cardio will cause significant depletion of bodyfat stores including any visceral fat. Add to this that growth hormone will also reduce the visceral fat level and I struggle to find visceral fat the sole culprit for this distension.

Thus I am unclear on just how much blame can be put on insulin and visceral fat as the culprit for the abdominal distension of some of todays bodybuilders.

I already addressed this in another post above but to summerize... they never quit using all the up to the day of the show.

Perhaps visceral fat has some role, however surely the use of Human growth hormone and its effects on organomegaly (liver, pancreas, spleen) and muscle hypertrophy (including the smooth muscle of the intestinal wall) HAS to be part of the problem as well?

Proof? Theories?

Just my thoughts (excuse the noob!) 

Dave.

[Benny B]

It's called "being overweight". Drop 20 pounds and miraculously the gut disappears.  

[pumpher]

How can you selectively maintain "visceral fat" yet be shredded everywhere else?

[Disgusted]

How can you selectively maintain "visceral fat" yet be shredded everywhere else?

Don't know if I would call it selective, but I really don't think that anyone knows for sure why. For example, the pics  =that I posted of the people who are getting therapy for HIV. They are losing fat in some areas and gaining it viscerally in the stomach.

[G o a t b o y]

does Derek ANthony have it?

yes.

[3Dkiller]

growing organs

[leonp1981]

Too much eating + too much drugs = too much gut 

[Disgusted]

growing organs

Correct!!