How does ones stomach get this big?

[G o a t b o y]

You bring up some excellent points. Let me try and answer all of them.

If is true that visceral fat storage in a person is the FIRST fat that the body will use when dieting to lose fat BUT!!! not in BBers that are using insulin!!! They are screwing with the mechanism that a normal person would be utilizing with a fat loss regime. By using exogenis insulin their bodies are simply being told to hold on to this fat even while dieting for a show.

Now, not only do they take insulin during their mass building phase, but they also are using insulin to carb up for a show. Let's assume that they would stop using it say 12 weeks out. Maybe then they would have some time to lose the visceral fat storage on a normal diet, but the fact that they are using it to carb up on means that they are never giving themsleves a chance to utilize this visceral fat. Add to this the extreme amounts of food that they are consuming in the last days only adds to the distention problem.

And yes for the last time ( I doubt it  ) the enlarged organ issue is a myth as much as Sean is a christian. 

So did you convince Shari to lay off the insulin?

[War-Horse]

How can you selectively maintain "visceral fat" yet be shredded everywhere else?

Disgusted already answered this.   Continuous insulin usage changes the mechanism of fat loss....

[jason armstrong]

So did you convince Shari to lay off the insulin?

listen to magnum he's going to reverse kalamism...it was around way before Dave P.

[pumpher]

Disgusted already answered this.   Continuous insulin usage changes the mechanism of fat loss....

I realize that. I am refering to the distribution of adipose tissue. Is lipolysis selectively impaired in visceral fat only?

I believe Disgusted's 2nd picture on HIV treatment is a not just accumulation of visceral fat, but development of ascities.

[Disgusted]

So did you convince Shari to lay off the insulin?

 

[Disgusted]

I realize that. I am refering to the distribution of adipose tissue. Is lipolysis selectively impaired in visceral fat only?

I believe Disgusted's 2nd picture on HIV treatment is a not just accumulation of visceral fat, but development of ascities.

No bro, it was visceral fat that was specifically being talked about and shown on the site that I posted the pic from and I believe it is spelled ascites.


Overview of Ascites


Ascites is a disorder in which there is excessive fluid that accumulates in the abdominal cavity.


Causes of Ascites


Ascites may be caused by cirrhosis, alcoholic hepatitis and obstruction of the hepatic veins. Failure of the kidneys and failure of the heart can both lead to excessive generalized fluid accumulation. Cancer involving the abdominal cavity and tuberculosis involving the abdominal cavity can both produce ascites.


Signs and Symptoms of Ascites


Symptoms of ascites include abdominal swelling. There is generalized abdominal discomfort. Shortness of breath occurs as the diaphragms and lungs are compromised by the expansion of the abdominal fluid.

[SWOLETRAIN]

i find this all very informative but really gross. I might refer to this thread the next time i feel like binging out of controll

[shiftedShapes]

great job with king....he still has shit genetics, but you're doing the best with what you have to work with.

[The Coach]

Jim, with all due respect bro, I don't think, as a matter of fact I'm about  90% positive that much distension couldn't be caused by visceral fat on a bodybuilder with as low BF as these guys get, I think you would have to take a look at how they look before a carb load phase on how bad the distension was before. Again, I'm convinced that the combination of insulin, carb loading and stimulants all cause insulin sensitivity especially when carbs are low before loading.

If visceral fat was the cause, guys from the 50's through the mid 80's would have had distention since they carried more BF than they do today.

[Disgusted]

Jim, with all due respect bro, I don't think, as a matter of fact I'm about  90% positive that much distension couldn't be caused by visceral fat on a bodybuilder with as low BF as these guys get, I think you would have to take a look at how they look before a carb load phase on how bad the distension was before. Again, I'm convinced that the combination of insulin, carb loading and stimulants all cause insulin sensitivity especially when carbs are low before loading.

If visceral fat was the cause, guys from the 50's through the mid 80's would have had distention since they carried more BF than they do today.

I understand what you are saying but consider this. The guys from the 50's 60's 70's and maybe early 80's (not so much) ate tons of protein and fats. Guys today are eating massive amounts of carbs in the form of rice, potatoes and yams, plus the dextrose they use with the insulin.

I have seen guys with huge guts and almost no visible fat on the outside of the stomach who have not used insulin BUT these guys are eating tons of carbs. No stimulants or insulin. Even though they are taking no exogenous insulin they are still over producing insulin via their own pancreas which is the same difference.

You think these guys below are taking insulin, GH, stimulants and IGF? of course not, they are eating tons of carbs and or drinking large amounts of beer and have been for years. They will eventually become type 2 diabetics. These guys have large amounts of visceral fat and because they do not diet like bber's it is even more pronounced, but maybe not as much as you would think. 

Years ago I used to have guys carb up on insulin, but these same guys never used it in the off season and I never had anyone with a gut. Most were taking clen and ECA stack and some weren't. Bber's never had a visceral fat problem until they started to use insulin in the off season. I do agree that t he massive amounts of food certainly does not help matters, but trust me when I tell you that it takes months for this type of fat to go away and I am not so sure that it is reversable with everyone. Also consider the fact that once they have had this problem it most likely will return quicker and easier just like with muscle memory.

[D.L. 5]

all i know is that it cannot be healthy.

just look at some olympia footage from 70, and 80's and then look at post 2000 era.

it doesnt look healthy and impressive like the old school physiques, if it is a result of insulin they should stop using that crap.

[Matt C]

Dennis explained it in the 2002 Battle for the Olympia DVD.  He basically cited eating as the reason for his stomach and the stomach of other pros.



http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/battlefortheolympia2002.html

[j3di3]

like the long time steroid user with the huge gut-wearing-tight-shirt PT with tiny legs says in my gym "ITS FROM ALL THE HEAVY SQUATTING AND DEADLIFTING I DID OVER THE YEARS"  oh brother

[Rami]

Dennis explained it in the 2002 Battle for the Olympia DVD.  He basically cited eating as the reason for his stomach and the stomach of other pros.



http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/battlefortheolympia2002.html

Eating what??? Super bloat fibers or something?

I can't fathom eating such huge amount/volume of anything to cause that much distention... If I need more calories, I do note up the carbs I up the fat and some protein. Sugar (carbs) are fucking dangerous to eat alot of! Especially complex carbs and fibers, they bloat the hell out of you and suck water in to your digestive system along with providing insulin spikes and fat storage. Eat like that for a long time and it will get irreversible! Look at gorillas, they live on veggies their bellies are fukcing huge and bloated LOL... Be smarter than that at least.   

[toolarge4u]

Don't know if I would call it selective, but I really don't think that anyone knows for sure why. For example, the pics  =that I posted of the people who are getting therapy for HIV. They are losing fat in some areas and gaining it viscerally in the stomach.

and they do use good amounts of gh in some aids therapy dont they? Makes sense to me

[War-Horse]

It must be a combination of the insulin, huge carbs off season, and GH splitting the Abdominal plates apart.

Zane ate protien, did minor steroids and never had a gut like the current guys.

[bigdumbbell]

Don't know if I would call it selective, but I really don't think that anyone knows for sure why. For example, the pics  =that I posted of the people who are getting therapy for HIV. They are losing fat in some areas and gaining it viscerally in the stomach.

oh, i thought it was the liver/kidneys expanding and pushing fat forward.

[Always Sore]

So thats whats been holding me back visceral fat...I thought it was just a love of Pizza...

[Heywood]

I think it's bullshit.  How's a guy with shredded glutes still have a fat stomach?

I think the GH, insulin, or what-have-you is causing the internal tissues to bloat for some reason.

Why don't the guys in the 1960's or 70's have that bloat?  Why now?

[War-Horse]

I think it's bullshit.  How's a guy with shredded glutes still have a fat stomach?

I think the GH, insulin, or what-have-you is causing the internal tissues to bloat for some reason.

Why don't the guys in the 1960's or 70's have that bloat?  Why now?

This whole thread is agreeing with you.     Guys now rely on carbs and drugs to get big.      60s 70s   ate mostly protien and fats. minimal steroids compared to today.

[swoody]

the whole "Pros eat alot... thats why they look 6 months pregnant with a six pack" is bullshit.  Too much carbs? BULLSHIT.   Insulin combined with IGF-1 will create that effect.  The intestines have more IGF-1 receptors than anywhere else... and when combined with insulin, those receptors get bombarded with so much IGF-1 that the resulting intestinal growth occurs.  IGF-1 and insulin abuse is also why many pros lack the "dry" look of the 80's and early 90's... these guys today can show up shredded to the bone, but still lack the dry, granite-like look... go figure... IGF-1 also thickens the skin with abuse as well...Victor Martinez is a good example of this... although he controls his gut well, during back poses you can clearly see his gut from the side... his conditioning is good enough to win contests today, but back in the 80's and early 90's he would get smoked with conditioning.  IGF-1 combined with insulin is to blame.

[Heywood]

This whole thread is agreeing with you.     Guys now rely on carbs and drugs to get big.      60s 70s   ate mostly protien and fats. minimal steroids compared to today.

Thanks.  Guys in the 60s and 70s didnt' have distended stomachs, and still wouldn't have looked pregnant even if they'd have eaten some rice and oatmeal.

There's something else going on.

[BEAST 8692]

This whole thread is agreeing with you.     Guys now rely on carbs and drugs to get big.      60s 70s   ate mostly protien and fats. minimal steroids compared to today.

i seriously doubt pros from the 60's/70's ate any less carbs than today in general.

the '80's was probably the gretest period for carbs. carbs were very big in the '80's. haney, christian, gaspari, labrada, ray have big guts - hell no.

this has nothing to do with carbs people.

we are seeing split ab walls, etc that only usually occurr in pregnant women.

dj's explanation is absolute garbage.

[swoody]

i seriously doubt pros from the 60's/70's ate any less carbs than today in general.

the '80's was probably the gretest period for carbs. carbs were very big in the '80's. haney, christian, gaspari, labrada, ray have big guts - hell no.

this has nothing to do with carbs people.

we are seeing split ab walls, etc that only usually occurr in pregnant women.

dj's explanation is absolute garbage.

Agreed.  The whole "I eat alot" and "too many carbs" is complete BS.  That is what the bodybuilders of today say to cover up their insulin/igf-1 use.  Same as, "I just eat alot of protein to look like a frekkin house, but ripped"... riiiiiiiiight.  Thats what their supplement companies they are sponsored by tell them to say to drive more business.  Nobody will ever look like anyone in the IFBB without drug use... which is why the rest of us are running out buying "nitro-tech" because of these bullshit explainations. 

[Moen]

Eating can never be the cause obviously, these guys have dieted at least 2 months before a show so their stomachs would have shrunken to normal sizes during that caloric restriction period