How does ones stomach get this big?

[The Coach]

the whole "Pros eat alot... thats why they look 6 months pregnant with a six pack" is bullshit.  Too much carbs? BULLSHIT.   insulin is to blame.

Yes, Insulin is to blame, but too many carbs isn't bullshit, when your carb deficit for a period of weeks then start adding in 5-600grms per day for 4-6 days before a show, then add the insulin then add stimulants (eca, amphetamines, ect) and along with GH you'll be insulin sensitive thus causing the bloat. What Jim had to say made sense, but I have to look into whether insulin in the offseason would cause that much redistribution of fat to the mid section!

[BEAST 8692]

Yes, Insulin is to blame, but too many carbs isn't bullshit, when your carb deficit for a period of weeks then start adding in 5-600grms per day for 4-6 days before a show, then add the insulin then add stimulants (eca, amphetamines, ect) and along with GH you'll be insulin sensitive thus causing the bloat. What Jim had to say made sense, but I have to look into whether insulin in the offseason would cause that much redistribution of fat to the mid section!

i'm calling bullshit big time here too. Do you really think these guys are developing these guts in 4 - 6 days lay off the pipe NOW!!!

jim is right on the money with this imo. these guys are not coming off the growth and insulin in an effort to play with enough size.

[The Coach]

i'm calling bullshit big time here too. Do you really think these guys are developing these guts in 4 - 6 days lay off the pipe NOW!!!

jim is right on the money with this imo. these guys are not coming off the growth and insulin in an effort to play with enough size.

Dude, stop have carbs for about 4 weeks, then start pounding 600grms of complex carbs for the next 3 days and find out.........better yet, go pound about 12 potatos or yams or rice today and tell me what you would look like after that...........and I didn't say anything about them coming off of the GH/Insulin.

[swoody]

Dude, stop have carbs for about 4 weeks, then start pounding 600grms of complex carbs for the next 3 days and find out.........better yet, go pound about 12 potatos or yams or rice today and tell me what you would look like after that...........and I didn't say anything about them coming off of the GH/Insulin.

You do have some merit with this, yes...carb loading if done improperly can definitely bloat you... but it happens all over, not just the stomach. It has more to do with the amount of igf-1 receptors lining the intestinal walls, and insulin speeding up the process of over-saturating the receptors translating into intestinal growth.  I don't know of any pro that has had igf/insulin guts and have been able to get their distention under control with just watching the carb deficit... they have to go off of insulin/igf-1 in order to that to happen... and pros are not willing to do that because of the size game.

[swoody]

i'm calling bullshit big time here too. Do you really think these guys are developing these guts in 4 - 6 days lay off the pipe NOW!!!

jim is right on the money with this imo. these guys are not coming off the growth and insulin in an effort to play with enough size.

Who the hell is jim?   

[Disgusted]

You do have some merit with this, yes... but it has more to do with the amount of igf-1 receptors lining the intestinal walls, and insulin speeding up the process of over-saturating the receptors translating into intestinal growth.  I don't know of any pro that has had igf/insulin guts and have been able to get their distention under control with just watching the carb deficit... they have to go off of insulin/igf-1 in order to that to happen... and pros are not willing to do that because of the size game.

Show me one ounce of proof that these guys intestines are growing.

[swoody]

Gimme a break disgusted... go ask Pat Arnold...better yet, ask Chad Nicholls or Milos, since their science projects all end up having the same problem. I'm not gonna spell it out for you.  You have enough proof without showing you photos of the actual intestines.  It goes back to the science of IGF-1 and the ammount of receptors that line the intestinal walls.  Do some research, you twit.

[Disgusted]

Gimme a break disgusted... go ask Pat Arnold...better yet, ask Chad Nicholls or Milos, since their science projects all end up having the same problem. I'm not gonna spell it out for you.  You have enough proof without showing you photos of the actual intestines.  It goes back to the science of IGF-1 and the ammount of receptors that line the intestinal walls.  Do some research, you twit.

Show me one ounce of proof that these guys intestines are growing.

[swoody]

Show me one ounce of proof that these guys intestines are growing.

Here ya go, you lazy bastard

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=16890611&dopt=Abstract

Since IGF-1 didn't start to be really abused till the mid 90's, ironically, this is when the guts showed up on the bbing scene.  You do the math.

[Disgusted]

Here ya go, you lazy bastard

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=16890611&dopt=Abstract

Since IGF-1 didn't start to be really abused till the mid 90's, ironically, this is when the guts showed up on the bbing scene.  You do the math.

Did you even read this study? Explain to me why this is proof that bbers intestines are growing???

[Heywood]

Show me one ounce of proof that these guys intestines are growing.

Train and diet very hard until until you can see some basic muscle definition in the arms, legs and abs (much less the glutes).  That'll take a few months, depending on where you start.  Your stomach will not be swollen unless you just got up from a huge meal.

Once again, it's impossible to have dieted to the extent of having no facial fat and striated glutes, and still have a "fat" stomach.

Whether the intestines are growing or swollen, it's all the same.

[No Patience]

I could eat and eat and eat and never could I attain a stomach like this.   How does he do it?  Why would he do it?

it is from lack of core work....i'm not talking about crunches....i'm talking about things that strengthen the inner ab muscles, those are what keep a stomach tight

the other reason is because all these fucking pros think they need to where a fucking tight ass lifting belt all the time....i honestly think some of these dipshit wear them while taking a shit....for fuck sake, get a clue

a lot of these people have been brainwashed into thinking a belt makes the waist smaller....absolute bullshit, it is a crutch and when you wear that crutch all the time the midsection cannot support itself on it's own...

ok, slight meltdown i admit, but i am sick of stupid fucking people

in Arnolds day, guys would do almost everything without a belt and NOBODY had distended stomachs

people like chick need to shut the fuck up with their "too many carbs" bullshit

[Disgusted]

Whether the intestines are growing or swollen, it's all the same.

That would be a no. 

[swoody]

goddamn disgusted, do I have to spell it out for you?  I'll use color this time so you can't miss it...

BACKGROUND & AIMS: Glucagon-like peptide-2 (GLP-2) is an intestinal hormone that acts through unknown pathways to induce intestinal growth. We investigated the role of the insulin-like growth factors (IGF-1 and IGF-2) as mediators of GLP-2-enhanced growth in the murine intestine. METHODS: IGF-1 expression and secretion were determined in GLP-2-responsive primary intestinal cultures treated with GLP-2. Parameters of intestinal growth were assessed in wild-type (CD1, Igf1(+/+) and Igf2+), heterozygous (Igf1(+/-)), and null (Igf1(-/-) and Igf2(-P)) mice treated chronically with saline, GLP-2, IGF-1, or R-Spondin1. RESULTS: GLP-2 increased IGF-1 messenger RNA expression and IGF-1 secretion in intestinal cultures and increased expression of IGF-1 messenger RNA in mouse small intestine in vivo. Igf1(+/+) and Igf2+ mice responded to .1 microg/g(-1) per day(-1) GLP-2 with increased intestinal weights, morphometric parameters, and proliferative indices. In contrast, Igf1(-/-) mice were unresponsive to the same dose of GLP-2, failing to demonstrate changes in intestinal weight, morphometry, or proliferation. However, a significant effect of 1 microg/g(-1) per day(-1) GLP-2 was observed in Igf1(-/-) mice, but only in terms of small intestinal weight when normalized for body weight. Furthermore, Igf2(-P) mice demonstrated a partially impaired response in terms of small intestinal growth. Both Igf1(-/-) and Igf2(-P) mice exhibited normal-enhanced intestinal growth in response to IGF-1 and/or R-Spondin1. CONCLUSIONS: GLP-2 enhances intestinal IGF-1 expression and secretion, and IGF-1 is required for small and large intestinal growth in response to GLP-2. These findings identify IGF-1 as an essential mediator of the intestinotropic actions of GLP-2.

BBers abuse igf-1 and gh to get bigger.  IGF-1 and gh enhances intestinal growth.  Make the frekkin connection.

    Here's another one...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cathuman.htm

Or are you gonna argue with Big Cat too?  It is a well known fact buddy... do some research.

[BEAST 8692]

Dude, stop have carbs for about 4 weeks, then start pounding 600grms of complex carbs for the next 3 days and find out.........better yet, go pound about 12 potatos or yams or rice today and tell me what you would look like after that...........and I didn't say anything about them coming off of the GH/Insulin.

no way is that explaining dj's gut. i'm sorry, but that's stupid.

if i ate that i would be bloated, yes, but you would not see abs like dj and ronnie, no fucking way does carbs do that, and certainly not in 4 - 6 days, loading or not.

[Brutal_1]

goddamn disgusted, do I have to spell it out for you?  I'll use color this time so you can't miss it...

BACKGROUND & AIMS: Glucagon-like peptide-2 (GLP-2) is an intestinal hormone that acts through unknown pathways to induce intestinal growth. We investigated the role of the insulin-like growth factors (IGF-1 and IGF-2) as mediators of GLP-2-enhanced growth in the murine intestine. METHODS: IGF-1 expression and secretion were determined in GLP-2-responsive primary intestinal cultures treated with GLP-2. Parameters of intestinal growth were assessed in wild-type (CD1, Igf1(+/+) and Igf2+), heterozygous (Igf1(+/-)), and null (Igf1(-/-) and Igf2(-P)) mice treated chronically with saline, GLP-2, IGF-1, or R-Spondin1. RESULTS: GLP-2 increased IGF-1 messenger RNA expression and IGF-1 secretion in intestinal cultures and increased expression of IGF-1 messenger RNA in mouse small intestine in vivo. Igf1(+/+) and Igf2+ mice responded to .1 microg/g(-1) per day(-1) GLP-2 with increased intestinal weights, morphometric parameters, and proliferative indices. In contrast, Igf1(-/-) mice were unresponsive to the same dose of GLP-2, failing to demonstrate changes in intestinal weight, morphometry, or proliferation. However, a significant effect of 1 microg/g(-1) per day(-1) GLP-2 was observed in Igf1(-/-) mice, but only in terms of small intestinal weight when normalized for body weight. Furthermore, Igf2(-P) mice demonstrated a partially impaired response in terms of small intestinal growth. Both Igf1(-/-) and Igf2(-P) mice exhibited normal-enhanced intestinal growth in response to IGF-1 and/or R-Spondin1. CONCLUSIONS: GLP-2 enhances intestinal IGF-1 expression and secretion, and IGF-1 is required for small and large intestinal growth in response to GLP-2. These findings identify IGF-1 as an essential mediator of the intestinotropic actions of GLP-2.

BBers abuse igf-1 and gh to get bigger.  IGF-1 and gh enhances intestinal growth.  Make the frekkin connection.

    Here's another one...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cathuman.htm

Or are you gonna argue with Big Cat too?  It is a well known fact buddy... do some research.

Good find....I've read a similar study, but don't feel like looking for it 

[BEAST 8692]

goddamn disgusted, do I have to spell it out for you?  I'll use color this time so you can't miss it...

BACKGROUND & AIMS: Glucagon-like peptide-2 (GLP-2) is an intestinal hormone that acts through unknown pathways to induce intestinal growth. We investigated the role of the insulin-like growth factors (IGF-1 and IGF-2) as mediators of GLP-2-enhanced growth in the murine intestine. METHODS: IGF-1 expression and secretion were determined in GLP-2-responsive primary intestinal cultures treated with GLP-2. Parameters of intestinal growth were assessed in wild-type (CD1, Igf1(+/+) and Igf2+), heterozygous (Igf1(+/-)), and null (Igf1(-/-) and Igf2(-P)) mice treated chronically with saline, GLP-2, IGF-1, or R-Spondin1. RESULTS: GLP-2 increased IGF-1 messenger RNA expression and IGF-1 secretion in intestinal cultures and increased expression of IGF-1 messenger RNA in mouse small intestine in vivo. Igf1(+/+) and Igf2+ mice responded to .1 microg/g(-1) per day(-1) GLP-2 with increased intestinal weights, morphometric parameters, and proliferative indices. In contrast, Igf1(-/-) mice were unresponsive to the same dose of GLP-2, failing to demonstrate changes in intestinal weight, morphometry, or proliferation. However, a significant effect of 1 microg/g(-1) per day(-1) GLP-2 was observed in Igf1(-/-) mice, but only in terms of small intestinal weight when normalized for body weight. Furthermore, Igf2(-P) mice demonstrated a partially impaired response in terms of small intestinal growth. Both Igf1(-/-) and Igf2(-P) mice exhibited normal-enhanced intestinal growth in response to IGF-1 and/or R-Spondin1. CONCLUSIONS: GLP-2 enhances intestinal IGF-1 expression and secretion, and IGF-1 is required for small and large intestinal growth in response to GLP-2. These findings identify IGF-1 as an essential mediator of the intestinotropic actions of GLP-2.

BBers abuse igf-1 and gh to get bigger.  IGF-1 and gh enhances intestinal growth.  Make the frekkin connection.

    Here's another one...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cathuman.htm

Or are you gonna argue with Big Cat too?  It is a well known fact buddy... do some research.

yep, good work swoody.

Disgusted?

[El Guapo]

it is from lack of core work....i'm not talking about crunches....i'm talking about things that strengthen the inner ab muscles, those are what keep a stomach tight

the other reason is because all these fucking pros think they need to where a fucking tight ass lifting belt all the time....i honestly think some of these dipshit wear them while taking a shit....for fuck sake, get a clue

a lot of these people have been brainwashed into thinking a belt makes the waist smaller....absolute bullshit, it is a crutch and when you wear that crutch all the time the midsection cannot support itself on it's own...

ok, slight meltdown i admit, but i am sick of stupid fucking people

in Arnolds day, guys would do almost everything without a belt and NOBODY had distended stomachs

people like chick need to shut the fuck up with their "too many carbs" bullshit

if you actually believe what you are typing then you are borderline retarded.

[No Patience]

if you actually believe what you are typing then you are borderline retarded.

please explain

[El Guapo]

please explain

well of course...... the guys back in the day used lifting belts on their major lifts, just watch pumping iron and you will see. To say that bodybuilders of today distention is caused by their belts being too tight is silly. Have you ever seen a natural competitor with a bloated stomach? They lift heavy and use a belt on most of the major exercises. Distention is caused by the abuse of the various hormones that bodybuilders use.

[swoody]

Here's another one that a retard would understand...

http://www.revitropin.com/about-revitropin.htm


Here's a highlighted portion to give you a break cause your handicap...

"IGF1 will attach its self to the lining of the intestine and cause atrophy of the gut. Every thing IGF1 touches will grow and you have a lot of receptors on the lining of the large intestine and inner wall of the abdominal well. This is what causes the GH gut look."

You gonna argue with a major pharmaceutical company too, Disgusted?

[No Patience]

well of course...... the guys back in the day used lifting belts on their major lifts, just watch pumping iron and you will see. To say that bodybuilders of today distention is caused by their belts being too tight is silly. Have you ever seen a natural competitor with a bloated stomach? They lift heavy and use a belt on most of the major exercises. Distention is caused by the abuse of the various hormones that bodybuilders use.

read a little closer....i said in Arnolds day they are without belts ON ALMOST EVERYTHING...i am talking about how nowdays they think they need them while doing shit like rear delt flies, give me a fucking break

i didn't say shit about belts being too tight, but that they are worn too much/too often....

i agree with your last statment, the abuse of chemicals

but i also know, if there is one thing lacking in a pros regimine, it is core work

and very few pros can do anything without someone telling them how/when/why they should....hence trainers, nutritionists, etc etc....a sport full of followers

[Jake_W]

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[El Guapo]

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all cell tech

[BEAST 8692]

read a little closer....i said in Arnolds day they are without belts ON ALMOST EVERYTHING...i am talking about how nowdays they think they need them while doing shit like rear delt flies, give me a fucking break

i didn't say shit about belts being too tight, but that they are worn too much/too often....

i agree with your last statment, the abuse of chemicals

but i also know, if there is one thing lacking in a pros regimine, it is core work

and very few pros can do anything without someone telling them how/when/why they should....hence trainers, nutritionists, etc etc....a sport full of followers

you are not borderline retarded at all No Patience.












you are beyond retarded.