How does ones stomach get this big?

[No Patience]

you are not borderline retarded at all No Patience.












you are beyond retarded.

if you are saying my comments about inner abs is retarded, than you just gave a great example of your intellegence

i do not disagree with the threads you have posted, rather i add to them with my statements.....there are many issues today from too much of certain things and too little of others

[swoody]

I agree that pros need to do more core work, but I believe it has little to do with the amount of distented guts we are seeing today.  Maybe a little, but not much.

[BEAST 8692]

it has absolutely nothing to do with the distended guts.

to say that pro bbers with distented guts ie ronnie coleman have weak cores is beyond retarded.

are you saying that without that weight belt ronnie would be a weak as a kitten?

come on, think about it please. he would still be lifting ridiculously heavy weights without the belt and y'all know it.

enough with the core garbage.

[The Coach]

no way is that explaining dj's gut. i'm sorry, but that's stupid.

if i ate that i would be bloated, yes, but you would not see abs like dj and ronnie, no fucking way does carbs do that, and certainly not in 4 - 6 days, loading or not.

Yes it would and would see abs clearly, you don't seem to realize that when they start a carb phase, water is limited to very minute quantities to avoid it from spilling over subcutainiously thus having the muscles "fillout" without water retention, the subcutainious water draws back into the muscle, now if they were to drink water along with the carb load, then you would see abs start disappearing, but with that being said, in order to fill out without spilling over, you have to increase water intake about the last 48 hrs or so depending if your on schedule or not.

Of course YOU wouldn't see your abs like Ronnie or DJ because 1 - I'm sure your bodyfat is much higher and 2 - your probably carrying alot more water retention and 3 -You'd probably be drinking liquids while taking in carbs.

[swoody]

Then how come they have guts year round and aren't able to bring them down without laying off the slin/igf-1 regimen?  BBers of the early 90's carb loaded too, yet they didn't have guts like the pros of today... it clearly has much more to do with than just simple mistakes with carb loading before a contest.  IGF-1/slin protocols are to blame.  Spilling over happens everywhere, with all muscle groups... not just the stomach.

[The Coach]

Then how come they have guts year round and aren't able to bring them down without laying off the slin/igf-1 regimen?

They eat more in the offseason......pretty simple. Besides, I have a feeing they don't lay off for long periods of time, don't forget the offseason is the time to grow. The only one that I can think of in the 80's that even resembled the morons of today was Tim Belknap, but he was truly type 1 diabetic, I mean at 5'4 he barly made the Lt. Hvys when he won the America he came in right at the top of his class.

[BEAST 8692]

Yes it would and would see abs clearly, you don't seem to realize that when they start a carb phase, water is limited to very minute quantities to avoid it from spilling over subcutainiously thus having the muscles "fillout" without water retention, the subcutainious water draws back into the muscle, now if they were to drink water along with the carb load, then you would see abs start disappearing, but with that being said, in order to fill out without spilling over, you have to increase water intake about the last 48 hrs or so depending if your on schedule or not.

Of course YOU wouldn't see your abs like Ronnie or DJ because 1 - I'm sure your bodyfat is much higher and 2 - your probably carrying alot more water retention and 3 -You'd probably be drinking liquids while taking in carbs.

i'm sorry but what your describing has been the standard carb-up procedure (with variations according to body weight) used for decades before distended guts were even mentioned.

as pointed out, it was obvious when someone spilled over, they would smooth out all over. the distended guts we see now are there year round. in fact, worse in the off-season. have a look at ronnie's gut in the ronnie-jay thread.

[BEAST 8692]

They eat more in the offseason......pretty simple. Besides, I have a feeing they don't lay off for long periods of time, don't forget the offseason is the time to grow. The only one that I can think of in the 80's that even resembled the morons of today was Tim Belknap, but he was truly type 1 diabetic, I mean at 5'4 he barly made the Lt. Hvys when he won the America he came in right at the top of his class.

no they don't.

bbers have always bulked up and, in fact, did it moreso in the 60's - 70's and bulking up has always been about eating as much as possible.

if anything they are far more sensible and moderate about their mass building.

[swoody]

Dennis Jame's gut looks the same regardless if he spills over or not.

[The Coach]

i'm sorry but what your describing has been the standard carb-up procedure (with variations according to body weight) used for decades before distended guts were even mentioned.

as pointed out, it was obvious when someone spilled over, they would smooth out all over. the distended guts we see now are there year round. in fact, worse in the off-season. have a look at ronnie's gut in the ronnie-jay thread.

Well, yes, the basics are almost the same, the difference being is that nowaday the carb phase is longer and a lot more carbs are added to "keep up" with the insulin intake, back then we would only carb for about 2-3 days max starting out with maybe 50-75grms on day one and 75-150 grms on day two and maybe the same before pre-judging on day the day of the show.........not 4-600 grms almost a week out. Oh yeah, almost forgot, we didn't have water until the day of the show and lasix was always handy.

[swoody]

Good arguement, but it doesn't have a whole lot to stand on as far as real world results go.  Dennis James is a classic example of looking insane a few weeks out and then screwing it up come contest time... but in shows that he placed high (NY Pro this year) and shows where he was clearly off and spilling over(Colorado pro) his gut remains the same, and remains distented year round. 

[BEAST 8692]

some bbers back in the 70's and 80's would start carb up over a week out and you haven't acknowledged the fact that these bbers are showing these guts year round.

[The Coach]

no they don't.

bbers have always bulked up and, in fact, did it moreso in the 60's - 70's and bulking up has always been about eating as much as possible.

if anything they are far more sensible and moderate about their mass building.

They are more sensible, but they still eat a shit load, and what you don't burn, well you know......

Back in the 60's and 70's they didn't have IGF-1 or insulin for bodybuilding use, but they did of course have steriods, but even with that the doses that were considered alot back then are basically theraputic now, the standard was the same back then as it is now........eat big to get big.

[The Coach]

Good arguement, but it doesn't have a whole lot to stand on as far as real world results go.  Dennis James is a classic example of looking insane a few weeks out and then screwing it up come contest time... but in shows that he placed high (NY Pro this year) and shows where he was clearly off and spilling over(Colorado pro) his gut remains the same, and remains distented year round. 

Notice how he screws up during the loading phase about 4 days out before the show.

[Disgusted]

Here's another one that a retard would understand...

http://www.revitropin.com/about-revitropin.htm


Here's a highlighted portion to give you a break cause your handicap...

"IGF1 will attach its self to the lining of the intestine and cause atrophy of the gut. Every thing IGF1 touches will grow and you have a lot of receptors on the lining of the large intestine and inner wall of the abdominal well. This is what causes the GH gut look."

You gonna argue with a major pharmaceutical company too, Disgusted?

Ah bro what are you smokin??? First of all this is NOT!! a MAJOR PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY!!. It is a bootleg company selling IGF to bbers.

Secondly, the line that you quoted from them has ZERO references to prove their statement!!!!! They are no more credible than you are. 

Now, who's the retard?

[BEAST 8692]

the igf 1, insulin and gh are causing the distention, not food.

bbers today are not eating any more food in the off-season than they always did. if anything bbers are leaner in the off-season today than in the 60's and 70's.

[The Coach]

some bbers back in the 70's and 80's would start carb up over a week out and you haven't acknowledged the fact that these bbers are showing these guts year round.

I competed in the 70's and 80's we more were afraid to smooth out taking in carbs 2-3 days out let alone a week, who told you that?

[The Coach]

the igf 1, insulin and gh are causing the distention, not food.

bbers today are not eating any more food in the off-season than they always did. if anything bbers are leaner in the off-season today than in the 60's and 70's.

Dude, I've been telling you IT'S A COMBINATION!

[BEAST 8692]

I competed in the 70's and 80's we more were afraid to smooth out taking in carbs 2-3 days out let alone a week, who told you that?

what i was told that the bigger you were the longer the duration of carb load, so a 110kg bber might start 8 days out with a small amount of carbs every hour or so.

in any case, if you did smooth out you wouldn't have had a huge pregnant belly with cut up abs. you should know it doesn't work like that.

[BEAST 8692]

Dude, I've been telling you IT'S A COMBINATION!

i was under the impression that you were saying that the distended gut was casued within the 4 - 6 days of carb load with insulin etc seeing as that was what you seemed to be saying a few posts ago.

i'm agreeing with Disgusted that the distended gut is caused by year round use of these drugs combined with over eating.

[swoody]

Ah bro what are you smokin??? First of all this is NOT!! a MAJOR PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY!!. It is a bootleg company selling IGF to bbers.

Secondly, the line that you quoted from them has ZERO references to prove their statement!!!!! They are no more credible than you are. 

Now, who's the retard?

Its sad how you wanna remain an idiot just cause you are to prideful to admit when someone is right.  How many links do you want me to put up?  20?  I'm sure this "bootleg company" is a little smarter when it comes to the science of bodybuilding than you, moron.  Get off your ass and get the references yourself... they are out there... its called GOOGLE.  Here's a novel idea... how bout you post a link that proves IGF/Slin combos ARENT to blame? 

[Disgusted]

Its sad how you wanna remain an idiot just cause you are to prideful to admit when someone is right.  How many links do you want me to put up?  20?  I'm sure this "bootleg company" is a little smarter when it comes to the science of bodybuilding than you, moron.  Get off your ass and get the references yourself... they are out there... its called GOOGLE.  Here's a novel idea... how bout you post a link that proves IGF/Slin combos ARENT to blame? 

OK bro.

[swoody]

OK bro.

I'm not disputing that your arguement about insulin causing a distented stomach is wrong...  But to say that IGF-1 has no role in the bloated bellies of todays pros is beyond me.

[chester_bbb]

Good job Jim. You have successfully reversed Kamalism.

[Disgusted]

Good job Jim. You have successfully reversed Kamalism.

Thanks bro.