How does ones stomach get this big?

[Disgusted]

Fine.  So we can both agree that when one's stomach protrudes, it may be from something other than "visceral fat."

That's a starting place.  The lack of food and nutrition is the cause.  Now, WHAT is actually taking place to produce the noticeable protrusion?

OF course it could be something else. I also could be a tumaah. 

[Heywood]

Well, you avoided the issue.  Something makes the stomach protrude.  What physical compounds push against the walls of the stomach?

Another example:  My uncle was a veterinarian, and needed to drain an old dog's stomach with a syringe every few months or so.  I'd seen it done.  I don't know why it occured - but fluid would build up in the stomach (not fat).

My point:  There is more than one theory, and unless a doctor has evidence, we're just guessing.

[Disgusted]

Well, you avoided the issue.  Something makes the stomach protrude.  What physical compounds push against the walls of the stomach?

Another example:  My uncle was a veterinarian, and needed to drain an old dog's stomach with a syringe every few months or so.  I'd seen it done.  I don't know why it occured - but fluid would build up in the stomach (not fat).

My point:  There is more than one theory, and unless a doctor has evidence, we're just guessing.

Yep, I'm avoiding the issue. 

[Heywood]

A starving person's stomach protrudes, yet there's no food or fat. 

A bodybuilder with no fat whatsoever (even facial cheeks and glutes) has a protruding stomach. 

I'm just pointing out that it's not a simple matter.

[Disgusted]

A starving person's stomach protrudes, yet there's no food or fat. 

Why can't you do your own research on this bro?

A bodybuilder with no fat whatsoever (even facial cheeks and glutes) has a protruding stomach. 

I have already answered this many many times! Read this thread!!!
I'm just pointing out that it's not a simple matter.

[Brutal_1]

A starving person's stomach protrudes, yet there's no food or fat. 

A bodybuilder with no fat whatsoever (even facial cheeks and glutes) has a protruding stomach. 

I'm just pointing out that it's not a simple matter.

Bro, they're completely different.  A starving person having a large gut is either due to a lack of protein, Kwashiorkor, or due to a total lack of food/nutrients...marasmus.

The cause of these is the lack of proteins in the system, which means no "oncotic" pressure, so the fluid diffuses out into the peritoneum....ascites.


PLUS, these guys have huge guts year round...not just for the show.  

Nothing like shredded abs...that hang over the trunks  

[Heywood]

Bro, they're completely different.  A starving person having a large gut is either due to a lack of protein, Kwashiorkor, or due to a total lack of food/nutrients...marasmus.

The cause of these is the lack of proteins in the system, which means no "oncotic" pressure, so the fluid diffuses out into the peritoneum....ascites.


PLUS, these guys have huge guts year round...not just for the show.  

Nothing like shredded abs...that hang over the trunks  

Yes, I know they are completely different examples.  My point was that fluid CAN be the culprit to cause a protrusion. 

[legbreaker]

A starving person's stomach protrudes, yet there's no food or fat. 

A bodybuilder with no fat whatsoever (even facial cheeks and glutes) has a protruding stomach. 

I'm just pointing out that it's not a simple matter.

That's from parasites and yes, a starving person does have fat, visceral and other wise...it's muscle they lose along with the inability to make anti bodies because of the lack of protein and nutrition.....disease and inability to fight it kills a starving person in a third world country.

[honest]

The huge guts is a side effect of large amounts of cortisol in the system along with adding torso size and losing limb size, these are common side effects of people with elevated levels of cortisol, basically its palumboism from taking too many steroids that your body can no longer control its cortisol levels, this is a fact, and that is why most guys start going backwards later in their carrears, Mrakus Ruhl King Kamalki, Nasser in his late shows.

[BEAST 8692]

The huge guts is a side effect of large amounts of cortisol in the system along with adding torso size and losing limb size, these are common side effects of people with elevated levels of cortisol, basically its palumboism from taking too many steroids that your body can no longer control its cortisol levels, this is a fact, and that is why most guys start going backwards later in their carrears, Mrakus Ruhl King Kamalki, Nasser in his late shows.

mate, seriously, i doubt cortisol is the culprit. these guys have tons of muscle that would indicate that catabolic hormones like cortisol are largely being blocked.

muscle wasting is not the issue with these guys, that should be obvious. they are not losing 'limb size' either (by that i'm assuming/hope you mean circumference). they may look somewhat smaller because of the torso mass. get a pic of sergio oliva and photoshop it to appear like he has a 40" waist and you'll get the picture.

ruhl's losing size are you out of your fucking mind? geez, only on getbig would you read something like that.

[Disgusted]

The huge guts is a side effect of large amounts of cortisol in the system along with adding torso size and losing limb size, these are common side effects of people with elevated levels of cortisol, basically its palumboism from taking too many steroids that your body can no longer control its cortisol levels, this is a fact, and that is why most guys start going backwards later in their carrears, Mrakus Ruhl King Kamalki, Nasser in his late shows.

You need to do a little more research on Cushings Disease.

[El Guapo]

Forgive me if you went over it already disgusted, but what causes the thickening of the obliques? I understand what you mean by the visceral fat causing the protruding bellies. but waht about the obliques?

[legbreaker]

Forgive me if you went over it already disgusted, but what causes the thickening of the obliques? I understand what you mean by the visceral fat causing the protruding bellies. but waht about the obliques?

What causes thickening of any other skeletal muscle in the body?  that's right, training and lots of it and heavy work.  All these things along with high hormone levels and lots of good eating can make any muscle, not just the obliques larger.  many athletes have thick obliques just from the type of compound work they do...they heavy twisting exercises for trunk mobility and strength...alll these things add up.

The distention is caused by insulin and igf, generally....Gh in low amounts will not cause much in the way of enlargement of the gut and abdomin....in abuseive levels yes it can.  primaraly it is caused by lots of insulin and igf, however.

[El Guapo]

What causes thickening of any other skeletal muscle in the body?  that's right, training and lots of it and heavy work.  All these things along with high hormone levels and lots of good eating can make any muscle, not just the obliques larger.  many athletes have thick obliques just from the type of compound work they do...they heavy twisting exercises for trunk mobility and strength...alll these things add up.

The distention is caused by insulin and igf, generally....Gh in low amounts will not cause much in the way of enlargement of the gut and abdomin....in abuseive levels yes it can.  primaraly it is caused by lots of insulin and igf, however.

There is some truth to waht you are saying but its not exactly what I meant. Look at somebody like polumbo, his very thick obliques along with the belly is what makes it look worse. Kinda like a one two punch