Insider question to Lee Priest and Bob C.

[jwb]

I think people need to read between the lines with some of the things Bob says. He isn't happy about lot of stuff that goes on but he has to be careful how he handles things.

He "has" to shed a positive light on just about everything to retain any rapport with the top brass of the IFBB to get anything done at all.

The ifbb is run by people who don't change things in a hurry and they don't change things unless they believe the changes are pretty much their ideas to begin with even if they aren't...

[Chick]

Pro bodybuilding is in such a mess that perhaps it can't be saved. If everyone is juicing then there literally would be no competitors who would pass random drug testing. I think it is rather sad that a huge bodybuilder like Dennis James loses to the little guys. Dennis is simply following the precedent that Dorian, Jay and Ronnie began.

Dennis' problem was conditioning (or lack therof)....



 Will we see different judging at the Olympia and Arnold Classic from now on?

Different than what?

Please, will someone do something about the artificially enhanced breasts in the women's contests. I don't care to look at women with fake boobs no matter how great their figures/physiques are.


It would be un-american!!

I wonder if fans would stop going to contests if they were drug tested? Perhaps the webcasts are the audience of the future and we can all go to contests without being there.


They have...they're called "natural shows"....and no one goes.

[HowieW]

Actually, alot of times organizations or even coporations have rule books, guidelines, etc in writing for many reasons.

For one, it helps employees know the rules, whats good, whats bad, the ins & outs.

Although, alot of the times, I found they are establish not within the welfare & benefits of employees, but in the advantage of the corporation.  As some old terminology from my Marine Corps days would suggest.....they are developed, designed, & implemented to cover the "six" of said corporation.

A business is in business for themselves...not for the employees.  If they were, they would be passing out earnings & stocks.

Don't like it...go into business for yourself.....or...STFU.

 

Great post and pretty much sums up the world of pro BB. Like them or hate them, the IFBB pro div has done it better for longer than any other group that has tried. I have promoted a few shows and it ain't as easy as it looks let me tell ya. If it was all the naysayers would out there doing it bigger and better...but they are not.
Reality is a lot different than "ideal".
hey I was also a jarhead Plt 3041 PI (bootcamp)

[Vince B]

Was the lighting set up at the Colorado pro to highlight the abdomen area? Usually we have less light on the front on the body and more from overhead. Even guys like Rockel didn't look that cut up in the photos. Darrem had the most defined abs from what I could see. Dennis looked smooth in the contest shots. Yet in images released of him an hour before the contest he was hardly smooth?

I suppose we could argue all day about the condition quality and how important it is at contests. This is something all athletes should be concerned about. For some reason that aspect of one's appearance can now explain why someone didn't win or place high. When I think back about how much work it takes to build large muscles and all the muscles I wonder if definition should carry that much weight in contests?

[HowieW]

Was the lighting set up at the Colorado pro to highlight the abdomen area? Usually we have less light on the front on the body and more from overhead. Even guys like Rockel didn't look that cut up in the photos. Darrem had the most defined abs from what I could see. Dennis looked smooth in the contest shots. Yet in images released of him an hour before the contest he was hardly smooth?

I suppose we could argue all day about the condition quality and how important it is at contests. This is something all athletes should be concerned about. For some reason that aspect of one's appearance can now explain why someone didn't win or place high. When I think back about how much work it takes to build large muscles and all the muscles I wonder if definition should carry that much weight in contests?

I can tell you that the lightin and sound at the Colorado Pro was A-1 , 1st class topnotch.
Mr Basile, as a former Mr Canada you should know better than most that how one looks under the stage lights can be VERY different than under normal or backstage lighting.
The mass monsters like DJ and Branch Warren, etc were off at this contest. The top 5-6 guys were the best of what was on stage THAT day. I would have moved Farah into the top 5, but also know it was very close.

[jwb]

forget DJ's conditioning for a minute the judges need to tell him the truth...

he has NO lats from the back and a big gut. that is his problem...

[knny187]

Great post and pretty much sums up the world of pro BB. Like them or hate them, the IFBB pro div has done it better for longer than any other group that has tried. I have promoted a few shows and it ain't as easy as it looks let me tell ya. If it was all the naysayers would out there doing it bigger and better...but they are not.
Reality is a lot different than "ideal".
hey I was also a jarhead Plt 3041 PI (bootcamp)

Plt 1037 PI for me

3rd Bn....you were out in the woods

[YoungBlood]

forget DJ's conditioning for a minute the judges need to tell him the truth...

he has NO lats from the back and a big gut. that is his problem...

Extremely HIGH lats he does have. From the front, they're non-existent too. His torso is too short and blocky and that takes away from his lats even further.

[Vince B]

You know,  if a guy looks great in the gym then that should be sufficient. These contests are not doing justice to the top guys. Dillette was a winner without stepping on stage. Ditto for Dennis James. Heck, I would rather look big like Dennis than look like Kai or Darrem. Contests have evolved into something bizarre. This is especially true for the women. Gals look great in the gym but older, lined, and not so impressive in a line up. We are paying way too much attention to definition.

[jwb]

You know,  if a guy looks great in the gym then that should be sufficient. These contests are not doing justice to the top guys. Dillette was a winner without stepping on stage. Ditto for Dennis James. Heck, I would rather look big like Dennis than look like Kai or Darrem. Contests have evolved into something bizarre. This is especially true for the women. Gals look great in the gym but older, lined, and not so impressive in a line up. We are paying way too much attention to definition.

There are stage bodies and gym bodies vince...

the stage bodies will always prevail over the gym bodies as they should.

[Vince B]

Believe me the gym body remains long after the shine on the trophies fade.

[Chick]

You know,  if a guy looks great in the gym then that should be sufficient.

It is sufficient...for looking good in the gym.

These contests are not doing justice to the top guys. Dillette was a winner without stepping on stage. Ditto for Dennis James. Heck, I would rather look big like Dennis than look like Kai or Darrem. Contests have evolved into something bizarre. This is especially true for the women. Gals look great in the gym but older, lined, and not so impressive in a line up. We are paying way too much attention to definition.

[jwb]

Believe me the gym body remains long after the shine on the trophies fade.

guys with gym bodies never learn a damn thing about the sport.

they parade around looking huge in a tank all year then cry when they place low because they forgot to train their calves or back or forgot to diet hard enough or learn to put together a decent posing routine.

[Vince B]

I am not buying this argument. Dennis James is a better bodybuilder than those small guys. Some guys just shouldn't compete because they either don't get cut enough of they lose some of their pleasant lines by reducing too much.

[jwb]

I am not buying this argument. Dennis James is a better bodybuilder than those small guys. Some guys just shouldn't compete because they either don't get cut enough of they lose some of their pleasant lines by reducing too much.

I give it to the little guy by a mile...

[knny187]

the old man needs to start wearing glasses

[nycbull]

Was the lighting set up at the Colorado pro to highlight the abdomen area? Usually we have less light on the front on the body and more from overhead. Even guys like Rockel didn't look that cut up in the photos. Darrem had the most defined abs from what I could see. Dennis looked smooth in the contest shots. Yet in images released of him an hour before the contest he was hardly smooth?

I suppose we could argue all day about the condition quality and how important it is at contests. This is something all athletes should be concerned about. For some reason that aspect of one's appearance can now explain why someone didn't win or place high. When I think back about how much work it takes to build large muscles and all the muscles I wonder if definition should carry that much weight in contests?

extreme low bodyfat levels and extreme dry conditinoing in my opinion has done a lot of damage to the sport and harmed the health of a lot of these guys. The old timers looked great competing at higher bodyfat levels, healthier, happier looking.  who gives a shit if a guy has striations in his glutes. No need to be 3% and  dried out to compare muscle quality.

Also the old timers didin't wear all that shit ugly orange paint, that needs to go.  Get better lighting designers.

[Scooby]

Please, will someone do something about the artificially enhanced breasts in the women's contests. I don't care to look at women with fake boobs no matter how great their figures/physiques are.

Vince... Women all over the USA get breast enhancements every day.  I bet any money if we took a poll of what guys on here thought about fake boobs... YOU would stand alone in the minority!

And as far as seeing the girls competing... You as the "master trainer from way back" should know that after training, cardio and dieting that a female would have very little breast left since its mostly fatty tissue.  Look at pics of most female bb's from the early 80's... nothing, nada... posing in bikinis... why... they had no breasts to hide.

So in conclusion... not only do implants make them shapelier and sexier to look at for 99.9% of the world... it actually helps their own self-esteem when they begin losing their femininity through training and dieting.

Why are you so obsessed with implants on competitors anyway?  Do you prefer that prepubescent look?

[Palpatine Q]

Bob Chicerillo =  Smart man who doesn't bite the hand that feeds him. In fact he's done just the opposite, he's working the system.

Lee Priest  =  petulant tool who's bitten every hand to the point where he is out of the game.

[CQ]

I don't care to look at women with fake boobs no matter how great their figures/physiques are.

Well, honestly speaking, I doubt many women really want an old fat guy like yourself looking at them anyway, so I believe it all balances out.

[sgt. d]

Well, honestly speaking, I doubt many women really want an old fat guy like yourself looking at them anyway, so I believe it all balances out.

CQ you dont think women love Vince aka Mr. Canada

[Vince B]

Aesthetically the women are diminished when at low bodyfat levels the augmentation is visible. That detracts from what nature gave women. I dislike seeing fake things and that goes for synthol and inserts. What the heck has this sport evolved into? It is supposed to be bodybuilding and body enhancement. Beauty is always the end product. Training is supposed to be the way we obtain results. Anything less is a travesty and should not be tolerated or rewarded.

Because the judges and officials separate both men and women by conditioning the result is that competitors have to present with very low fat levels and this takes its toll on adipose tissue that often enhances shape. That is why the inserts have to go with the women. We would not tolerate it with the men because that is the opposite of bodybuilding.

The practical problem here is if you impose a rule forbidding breast implants you might not have many competitors left. Where do you start? Go to Canada where it is legal for women to expose their breasts and have topless contests for all women. We would soon revert back to fat levels that augment bodyshape and beauty.

Bodybuilding for men and women has become phony. Too many chemicals and substances used. It is literally risky to be a pro bodybuilder. This goes against what the IFBB stood for. Maybe it would be a good thing to get rid of Manion and the whole damn pro division. In one swoop things would improve for the better. Rigid drug testing complete with random tests during the off season.

Many here say they would lose interest if the drugs were taken out of the sport. That is interesting because I am sure the public is just the opposite. We seldom have had great brains involved in the sport and is it any wonder we are in the mess that we are in now?  Things won't improve because they can't with the current organization and people running it.

Because condition is so important in women's contests the organizers gave way to requests that the gals with diminished boobs wanted to make them big again by going to their plastic surgeon. The solution is to change the judging standards and forbid unnatural methods to enhance the body. Doesn't the IFBB get this? I guess not. Most of the women look bizarre in bodybuilding and the fitness competitors aren't that far behind. With low bodyfat levels those inserts stand out like disks. That is not beautiful no matter how bad those gals want to look that way. Anyone who prefers this look is either delusional or bizarre.

[slaveboy1980]

vince, your mind is closed. you use questions as bridges for your own orality.

[CQ]

CQ you dont think women love Vince aka Mr. Canada

I am sure that some senior citizen ladies might check him out...he is not so bad looking for an old guy. But he was referring to fitness/figure girls, and I highly doubt that a pack of twenty-something women want some old geezer like Basile looking at them.

[slaveboy1980]

I am sure that some senior citizen ladies might check him out...he is not so bad looking for an old guy. But he was referring to fitness/figure girls, and I highly doubt that a pack of twenty-something women want some old geezer like Basile looking at them.

yeah highly doubt is a good word. vince probably smells like cheese that has been stored in a pussy that has been out clubbing 4 days in a row without showering. ("disco pussy")