Question for Chick, re: Union

[donrhummy]

Chick,

You stated that you tried to start a union and I can only think it would benefit all pro BB's greatly and that most people would think so. So why do you think most pro BB's wouldn't go for it? What's keeping them from being able to see the benefit of a pro BB union?

(And also, how did you approach them with it?)

[Chick]

Chick,

You stated that you tried to start a union and I can only think it would benefit all pro BB's greatly and that most people would think so. So why do you think most pro BB's wouldn't go for it? What's keeping them from being able to see the benefit of a pro BB union?

(And also, how did you approach them with it?)

fear and selfishness

[donrhummy]

It's kind of odd too. I mean, just look at all the other sports in the U.S. Every sport that has a union - the athletes do VERY well. Almost every sport that doesn't, the athletes (save a few) get screwed (boxing comes to mind).

Oh, and how did you approach the BB's with the idea? Did you go to them individually? At a meeting?

[Disgusted]

fear and selfishness

 

[Chick]

It's kind of odd too. I mean, just look at all the other sports in the U.S. Every sport that has a union - the athletes do VERY well. Almost every sport that doesn't, the athletes (save a few) get screwed (boxing comes to mind).

Oh, and how did you approach the BB's with the idea? Did you go to them individually? At a meeting?

By email...over 106 responses of support and agreeing to a meeting....23 people actually showing.

[bigdumbbell]

By email...over 106 responses of support and agreeing to a meeting....23 people actually showing.

i bet you felt like a union organizer at Wal-mart after that meeting.  anxiety and selfishness is a powerful combo.

[Lee_a_priest]

fear and selfishness

REAL QUESTION...FEAR OF WHAT IF THE IFBB IS FAIR AND NO POLITICS...WHATS TO BE SCARED OF...?

[Chick]

REAL QUESTION...FEAR OF WHAT IF THE IFBB IS FAIR AND NO POLITICS...WHATS TO BE SCARED OF...?

Real answer...fear of retribution from your boy Wayne, who parked himself outside to see who went in, and threatened contracts to many athletes....

[jwb]

REAL QUESTION...FEAR OF WHAT IF THE IFBB IS FAIR AND NO POLITICS...WHATS TO BE SCARED OF...?

This should be good...

Hey Lee a container ship just ran aground on a beach in newcatle! the weather here is crazy right now...

[jwb]

Real answer...fear of retribution from your boy Wayne, who parked himself outside to see who went in, and threatened contracts to many athletes....

so why not do it again now then?

[Lee_a_priest]

Real answer...fear of retribution from your boy Wayne, who parked himself outside to see who went in, and threatened contracts to many athletes....

WAYNE HAS BEEN GONE FOR AWHILE AND YOU SAID THE OTHER DAY THE ATHLETES NOW WOULD NOT PUT THIER NAME TO STUFF....WHY???  WAYNE IS GONE......  SO TRY ANOTHER ANSWER....IS IT THAT THERE IS POLITICS.....YES OR NO.......

[Chick]

WAYNE HAS BEEN GONE FOR AWHILE AND YOU SAID THE OTHER DAY THE ATHLETES NOW WOULD NOT PUT THIER NAME TO STUFF....WHY???  WAYNE IS GONE......  SO TRY ANOTHER ANSWER....IS IT THAT THERE IS POLITICS.....YES OR NO.......

Wayne was one problem....guys being selfish was the other.

One is gone , the other is not.

[Lee_a_priest]

Wayne was one problem....guys being selfish was the other.

One is gone , the other is not.

BUT YOU SAID GUYS WOULD NOT SIGN OUT OF FEAR.....FEAR OF WHAT?? I ASK AGAIN........

[onlyme]

Real answer...fear of retribution from your boy Wayne, who parked himself outside to see who went in, and threatened contracts to many athletes....

Wayne hasn't been there is 2 or 3 years.  Your boys are still afraid.  Who are they afraid of.

[Chick]

BUT YOU SAID GUYS WOULD NOT SIGN OUT OF FEAR.....FEAR OF WHAT?? I ASK AGAIN........

As I said...retribution, being blackballed, etc.

This was the precedent as set up with Wayne at the helm..and the notion lives on to this day.

Alledgedly, you call it as it is...are you telling me (and everyone here) That Wayne did NOT do these things? That Wayne had the best interests of the athletes in mind? And that Wayne didn't fine and suspend on a regular basis??

Come on Lee...keep it real as you say you do...

[onlyme]

Chic easy questions. 

1.  Is the IFBB registered in the US as a non-profit organization?
2.  Is the NPC registered in the US as a non-profit organization?

A simple Yes or No is all thats needed.  If Yes can you post or get us the books.  They are available for public viewing.  Thank yo buddy.

[Lee_a_priest]

As I said...retribution, being blackballed, etc.

This was the precedent as set up with Wayne at the helm..and the notion lives on to this day.

Alledgedly, you call it as it is...are you telling me (and everyone here) That Wayne did NOT do these things? That Wayne had the best interests of the athletes in mind? And that Wayne didn't fine and suspend on a regular basis??

Come on Lee...keep it real as you say you do...

YES HE COULD AND DID..I KNOW THAT BETTER THEN ANYONE...BUT WHY ARE THEY AFRAID NOW........WAYNE IS GONE SO THEY MUST KNOW SOMETHING......WHICH IS THE SHIT STILL HAPPENS....ADMIT IT.....POLITICS AND BEING BLACKBALLED STILL GOES ON..........I KNOW YOU ARE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT...YOU HANG AROUNG THE RIGHT PEOPLE YOU SEE AND HEAR IT DOES........

[Chick]

YES HE COULD AND DID..I KNOW THAT BETTER THEN ANYONE...BUT WHY ARE THEY AFRAID NOW........WAYNE IS GONE SO THEY MUST KNOW SOMETHING......WHICH IS THE SHIT STILL HAPPENS....ADMIT IT.....POLITICS AND BEING BLACKBALLED STILL GOES ON..........I KNOW YOU ARE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT...YOU HANG AROUNG THE RIGHT PEOPLE YOU SEE AND HEAR IT DOES........

They're afraid  of a notion, a precedent...the history of what went on. Manion does not run the same way Wayne did...but overcoming a pattern set by those before him is difficult.

Convincing athletes that it doesn't happen...nearly impossible.

[Disgusted]

They're afraid  of a notion, a precedent...the history of what went on. Manion does not run the same way Wayne did...but overcoming a pattern set by those before him is difficult.

Convincing athletes that it doesn't happen...nearly impossible.

Are you saying Manion would be for the idea of forming a union?

[Chick]

Are you saying Manion would be for the idea of forming a union?

Actually, Jim...I presented the idea to Manion BEFORE I ever put the wheels in motion...he didn't care either way, but warned me that it would be near impossible to get everyone on th same page...

[The Coach]

Chic easy questions. 

1.  Is the IFBB registered in the US as a non-profit organization?
2.  Is the NPC registered in the US as a non-profit organization?

A simple Yes or No is all thats needed.  If Yes can you post or get us the books.  They are available for public viewing.  Thank yo buddy.

I thought the IFBB was a Canadian organization? I know the headquarters is in Woodland Hills, but wasn't the original paperwork filed in Canada??

[Disgusted]

Actually, Jim...I presented the idea to Manion BEFORE I ever put the wheels in motion...he didn't care either way, but warned me that it would be near impossible to get everyone on th same page...

I'm surprised, but come to think of it not really. I know that Jim had said once that the pros would never come together to get it done. Can't remember where I heard this, maybe you posted it once who knows. I would be my savings ( ) that Ben on the other hand would have something to say about it.

[Disgusted]

I thought the IFBB was a Canadian organization? I know the headquarters is in Woodland Hills, but wasn't the original paperwork filed in Canada??

Pretty sure it is. Hey Bob, whatever happened to I Brute Enterprises? 

[bigdumbbell]

They're afraid  of a notion, a precedent...the history of what went on. Manion does not run the same way Wayne did...but overcoming a pattern set by those before him is difficult.

Convincing athletes that it doesn't happen...nearly impossible.

however, it appears you are meeting some successes in your group endeavor compared to years ago when wayne ruled by executive fiat and terror.

[Chick]

Pretty sure it is. Hey Bob, whatever happened to I Brute Enterprises? 

It got changed to Brute, I enterprises at some point....probably some legal thing........you old bastard!

gotta hit the hay, boys..I'm on the east coast!