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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #175 on: June 27, 2007, 07:39:02 AM »
arnold's arms look a little more conditioned than oliva's in that pic, yes.

pumpster, imo it's believable that jones' legitemately measured arnold's as 19.75 slightly pumped and sergio's 20.5 cold when you take into account the fact that sergio had considerably larger triceps at the time. triceps take up 2/3rds of the total volume of the upper arm so it's not so hard to believe.

arnold had a bigger frame and much more peak, especially in his right bi (sergio had longer attachments), but sergio had bigger arms.

swenson and manfred don't count in this thread because they were never pro bbers. bbing has never been about just adding more and more size just for the sake of it. neither of those arms ever looked very muscular, like say, bertil, who had anatomically correct (but freaky) dense muscular development.

when you go down the swenson and manfred path you end up running into valentino (i know it's a long way down the road) and he was just an abomination. there was nothing impressive at all (i'm sure everyone agrees) about valentino's arms. sorry greg, but you know it's true. yet, he probably had larger arms than anyone at around the time he decided to do his own surgery on those puss filled things. :-X

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #176 on: June 27, 2007, 08:08:51 AM »
arnold's arms look a little more conditioned than oliva's in that pic, yes.

pumpster, imo it's believable that jones' legitemately measured arnold's as 19.75 slightly pumped and sergio's 20.5 cold when you take into account the fact that sergio had considerably larger triceps at the time. triceps take up 2/3rds of the total volume of the upper arm so it's not so hard to believe.

arnold had a bigger frame and much more peak, especially in his right bi (sergio had longer attachments), but sergio had bigger arms.


Sergio was at a very heavy bodyweight, Arnold was considerably smaller.

It was to Jones' benefit to punt Sergio, as he was his latest disciple/marketing tool.

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #177 on: June 27, 2007, 08:10:47 AM »
Sergio was at a very heavy bodyweight, Arnold was considerably smaller.

It was to Jones' benefit to punt Sergio, as he was his latest disciple/marketing tool.

Yup. The '72 pics confirm about the same size in contest condition. Jones had some good ideas but was/is an emotional nut, hardly someone to rely on in all cases for objectivity.

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #178 on: June 27, 2007, 09:25:42 AM »
Yup. The '72 pics confirm about the same size in contest condition. Jones had some good ideas but was/is an emotional nut, hardly someone to rely on in all cases for objectivity.

i'm not a hit believer, but i have read a fair amount of jones and, if anything, he seemed very intelligent. where is there any indication that jones is an 'emotional nut'? mentzer, maybe, but jones ???

i believe jones was very honest. arrogant, aloof, but honest.

if anything he would be more inclined to hype viator, as he took him to the bank, propping him up as evidence of his theories and, judging by the success of the nautilus empire, the combination was a roaring success and jones became a multi millionaire.

jones gave casey's right arm measurement as 19.5" which was somwhat less than arnold's.

this is pertinent because caey's arms were extremely massive and, visually, easily rivaled arnold's (pecs, back, refinement no comparison). it would have been very easy and self serving to state that casey had bigger arms than arnold.

besides, sergio was never a jones disciple and everyone incuding arthur knew it. he was well established before setting foot in arthur's ranch. he was a guest for a while and that's it. jones never made any claim to sergio oliva.

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #179 on: June 27, 2007, 09:49:40 AM »
Jones though was arrogant and preachy, like a born-again christian. The early HIT proponents like Mentzer had the same attitudes. Really smart would be to try to avoid this & retain open-mindedness, which they didn't.

Good ideas but not always right-some of the 1970s Nautilus machines were great, others could've been much better which tells me he was usually good but sometimes off. That and the arrogance coupled with animosity between he and Weider was enough to distort the claims on Schwarzenegger.

Clear here that there was virtually no difference in absolute size; the only difference might be in perceived size, since Oliva had a smaller frame & greater volume.

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #180 on: June 27, 2007, 10:24:53 AM »
Jones though was arrogant and preachy, like a born-again christian. The early HIT proponents like Mentzer had the same attitudes. Really smart would be to try to avoid this, which they didn't.

Good ideas but not always right-some of the 1970s Nautilus machines were great, others could've been much better which tells me he was usually good but sometimes off. That and the arrogance coupled with animosity between he and Weider was enough to distort the claims on Schwarzenegger.

Clear right here there was virtually no difference in size; the only difference might be in perceived size, since Oliva had greater relative size on a smaller frame.

'arrogant and preachy' maybe but definitely not an 'emotional nut' or, at least if he was, i have yet to see evidence of it.

i wouldn't use the analogy of 'born again christian'. that implies follower ie mentzer, jones was an original and independant thinker. he was extremely blunt and directly to the point. not everyone received him well because of this but the man was extremely intelligent. if you didn't agree with him, you better come up with a reason why. if you did he would respect you and listen. if you didn't he would dismiss you along with some verbal venom to send you on your way.

here lies the problem with training ideaology of the time. there was none. just, if a little was good, more must be better and if it wasn't you needed more drugs.

jones came up with a theory that he backed with real science. i believe he underestimated many variables along the way and thus it was flawed but the fact remains he did present some real science and logic.

at the time his training philosophy was considered revolutionary or crazy, depending on which end of the spectrum you came from.

he seemed diametrically opposed to the dogma but, in reality, he wasn't. why? because he didn't give a flying fuck about bodybuilding. he thought it was full of idiots and prostitutes (perhaps for the aforementioned reasons :-\), he went elsewhere to seek his fortune and he was very successful.

many wanted him to set up a federation to oppose weider (including sergio who was a strong advocate) but he didn't want a bar of it. he was simply intrigued by the science of bodybuilding and he trained himself also. casey was his frankenstein and he took him to the bank, only he left him outside. simple as that.

if jones was diametrically opposed to anything, it was bullshit ie inflated measurements, egos, etc (maybe he didn't like egos larger than his own. :-\) which is why he never got into bullshitting himself.

in fact, if he was a sergio backer or was in any way trying to hype him, he wouldn't have given such a damning account of sergio's prowess in the gym. by all accounts, jones made sergio out to look like the veritable whimp in the gym, which was unfair because sergio was a novice to training with this method at the time.

no, jones was one of those rare individuals who told it exactly as it was. in fact i would challenge anyone to provide an occasion that jones was dishonest?

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #181 on: November 28, 2010, 02:21:28 PM »
Manfred = Synthol. Hope that helps.





10 minutes?? It takes that long to inject synthol?

And this guy? (I forget his name).



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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #183 on: December 01, 2010, 03:57:58 AM »
finishing touch.
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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #184 on: December 01, 2010, 04:24:19 AM »
kovacs.......pushing 30 inch arms in his prime.
No doubt about it...

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #185 on: December 01, 2010, 04:38:28 AM »
Zack Khan trained in our gym earlier this year
Arms had no detail, forearms were tiny, I suspect synthol

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #186 on: December 01, 2010, 05:03:44 AM »
Zack Khan trained in our gym earlier this year
Arms had no detail, forearms were tiny, I suspect synthol
before or after he had the accident?

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #187 on: December 01, 2010, 12:01:47 PM »
 For those who remember Thierry Pastal had a set of guns on him, for his weight.

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #188 on: December 01, 2010, 12:42:32 PM »
Zack Khan trained in our gym earlier this year
Arms had no detail, forearms were tiny, I suspect synthol
He has huge forearms   ???

not trying to call you a liar.  was he off-cycled or something when you saw him?

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #189 on: December 01, 2010, 12:48:54 PM »
For those who remember Thierry Pastal had a set of guns on him, for his weight.
Yea he did, he was like a mini Flex.

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #190 on: December 01, 2010, 10:12:38 PM »
He has huge forearms   ???

not trying to call you a liar.  was he off-cycled or something when you saw him?

this pic screams all drugs
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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #191 on: December 01, 2010, 10:18:24 PM »
This is my list.

1. Ronnie Coleman
2. Lou Ferrigno
3. Bertil Fox
4. Arnold S.
5. Greg Kovacs
6. Victor Richards
7. Mike Matarazzo
8. Sergio Oliva
9. Paul Dillett
10. Manfroed Hoeberl

the biggest arms in bodybuilding belong to ron coleman ,,and for ever will be most likley,,im talking here muscle not blub like phil heath and others,,real pure lean shaped freaky muscle that wont go away anywhere maybe few inches,, sergio is almost as good but doesnt have the crazy shape ron had,,then arnold

the rest were just mix of muscle ,,seo,,and gh size that go away moment you off drugs 12 months,,lok at ron and sergio and arnold ,,the core never went away

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #192 on: December 02, 2010, 02:29:10 AM »
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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #193 on: December 02, 2010, 02:30:34 AM »
He has huge forearms   ???

not trying to call you a liar.  was he off-cycled or something when you saw him?
He could have been
I didnt ask him cos he had to ask Neil Hills permission everytime he spoke

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #194 on: December 02, 2010, 12:41:34 PM »
this pic screams all drugs
I thought he was all natural  ???

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #195 on: December 02, 2010, 12:58:05 PM »
I thought he was all natural  ???

As natural as Docking

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #196 on: December 02, 2010, 12:59:43 PM »
He looks like a real man of genius.
He is indeed a great loss to bodybuilding, but the fields of Astrophysics and Thermodynamics are glad he is done playing around with weights.

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #197 on: December 02, 2010, 01:00:27 PM »
He looks like a real man of genius.
He is indeed a great loss to bodybuilding, but the fields of Astrophysics and Thermodynamics are glad he is done playing around with weights.
ahahaha bud commercials

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #198 on: December 02, 2010, 07:44:33 PM »

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Re: Which Pros Arms Were the Biggest?
« Reply #199 on: December 02, 2010, 07:55:59 PM »
He'd not a pro, but probably biggest by far! Noah Steere

anyone got the pic of Noah with Ronnie!? he makes Coleman look like a child