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Simulation finds 9/11 fireproofing key
« on: June 20, 2007, 06:02:32 AM »
By STEVE HERMAN, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 18 minutes ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070620/ap_on_re_us/attacks_simulation

"INDIANAPOLIS - A computer simulation of the 2001 World Trade Center attacks supports a federal agency's findings that the initial impact from the hijacked airplanes stripped away crucial fireproofing material and that the weakened towers collapsed under their own weight."

"The report concludes that the weight of the aircraft's fuel, when ignited, produced "a flash flood of flaming liquid" that knocked out a number of structural columns within the building and removed the fireproofing insulation from other support structures, Hoffmann said.

The simulation also found that the airplane's metal skin peeled away shortly after impact and shows how the titanium jet engine shafts flew through the building like bullets.

Ayhan Irfanoglu, a Purdue professor of civil engineering, said half of the building's weight-bearing columns were concentrated at the cores of the towers.

"When that part is wiped out, the structure comes down," Irfanoglu said. "We design structures with some extra capacity to cover some uncertainties, but we never anticipate such heavy demand coming from an aircraft impact. If the columns were distributed, maybe, the fire could not take them out so easily."

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Re: Simulation finds 9/11 fireproofing key
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2007, 08:19:50 AM »
Very interesting.  Wonder what the spin from conspiracy theorists will be after reading this article.  Is there a link to the entire report?

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Re: Simulation finds 9/11 fireproofing key
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2007, 10:35:21 AM »
Thanks, Loco!   :D

You are welcome!    ;D

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Re: Simulation finds 9/11 fireproofing key
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2007, 12:01:44 PM »
whats 240's take on this?

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Re: Simulation finds 9/11 fireproofing key
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2007, 01:25:35 PM »
Interesting stuff.  Why in the hell didn't the 9/11 Commission do something like this 6 years ago?  ???
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Re: Simulation finds 9/11 fireproofing key
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2007, 04:40:41 PM »
whats 240's take on this?

let me take a guess.. hes gonna say the government paid for it

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Re: Simulation finds 9/11 fireproofing key
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2007, 10:26:53 PM »
Without definitive knowledge, my strong inclination is buildings 1, 2 and 7 of the WTC complex were brought down by means of controlled demolition involving pre planted explosives.

1) The Purdue simulations postulate the likely result of the North Tower impact was the loss of between 9 and 11 interior columns (on the 3 floors affected) out of a possible 47:
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/2006/060911.Sozen.WTC.html
In and of itself, this does not seem enough to cause collapse in a highly redundant structure such as one of the Twin towers. This seems even less likely upon considering the 15 or so floors above the impact zone in the North Tower are the lightest in the building.

2) It is highly debatable whether jet fuel ignition and resultant hydrocarbon fires would have the intensity (both in terms of temperature and duration) to weaken the remaining structure to the point of collapse.

3) Given the Empire State Building was struck by a B52 years before, the Twin Towers were designed with the possibility of airliner impact in mind. In January of 2001, WTC Construction and Project Manager Frank De Martini (who died on 9/11) said in an interview, "The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door. This intense grid ­ and the jet-plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting."
http://www.911eyewitness.com/samples/demartini.php

4) Witnesses such as last survivor William Rodriguez testified before The 911 Commission regarding explosions in the North Tower basement before the first impact:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8536008651248732897
This testimony was ignored in the final report.

5) Here is a clip outlining the molten metal discovered at ground zero by first responders, contractors and volunteers as well as John Gross of NIST denying any knowledge of its existence. This is of particular importance because the fires in the Towers were nowhere near hot enough to melt steel, a sentiment John himself reverberates:


6)To pre-empt those who would put forth this molten metal is not steel and possibly aluminium which burns at a lower temperature within the range of “dirty” hydrocarbon fires such as those at the WTC, please address the NASA thermo imagery findings which put the temperatures at ground zero beyond that range:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/rubblefires.html

To be sure, having a computer model reveal the mechanics of collapse without explosives does not negate the possibility that collapse was the result of explosives; keep an open mind. If anyone is interested in a scientific dissection of the NIST report on the collapse of the twin towers, watch Kevin Ryan (formerly of Underwriters Laboratories, the company charged with certifying the steel):
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=718236659434732032

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Re: Simulation finds 9/11 fireproofing key
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2007, 10:57:26 PM »
Without definitive knowledge, my strong inclination is buildings 1, 2 and 7 of the WTC complex were brought down by means of controlled demolition involving pre planted explosives.

1) The Purdue simulations postulate the likely result of the North Tower impact was the loss of between 9 and 11 interior columns (on the 3 floors affected) out of a possible 47:
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/2006/060911.Sozen.WTC.html
In and of itself, this does not seem enough to cause collapse in a highly redundant structure such as one of the Twin towers. This seems even less likely upon considering the 15 or so floors above the impact zone in the North Tower are the lightest in the building.

2) It is highly debatable whether jet fuel ignition and resultant hydrocarbon fires would have the intensity (both in terms of temperature and duration) to weaken the remaining structure to the point of collapse.

3) Given the Empire State Building was struck by a B52 years before, the Twin Towers were designed with the possibility of airliner impact in mind. In January of 2001, WTC Construction and Project Manager Frank De Martini (who died on 9/11) said in an interview, "The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door. This intense grid ­ and the jet-plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting."
http://www.911eyewitness.com/samples/demartini.php

4) Witnesses such as last survivor William Rodriguez testified before The 911 Commission regarding explosions in the North Tower basement before the first impact:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8536008651248732897
This testimony was ignored in the final report.

5) Here is a clip outlining the molten metal discovered at ground zero by first responders, contractors and volunteers as well as John Gross of NIST denying any knowledge of its existence. This is of particular importance because the fires in the Towers were nowhere near hot enough to melt steel, a sentiment John himself reverberates:

To pre-empt those who would put forth this molten metal is not steel and possibly aluminium which burns at a lower temperature within the range of “dirty” hydrocarbon fires such as those at the WTC, please address the NASA thermo imagery findings which put the temperatures at ground zero far beyond that range.

To be sure, having a computer model reveal the mechanics of collapse without explosives does not negate the possibility that collapse was the result of explosives; keep an open mind. If anyone is interested in a scientific dissection of the NIST report on the collapse of the twin towers, watch Kevin Ryan (formerly of Underwriters Laboratories, the company charged with certifying the steel):
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=718236659434732032


Why are they withholding the 50+ videos of the Pentagon Impact.

Only images of the Pentagon attack available..


Why was the government so resistant to investgate 9/11?

Soooo many unanswered questions.  :-\

http://911research.wtc7.net/
http://www.wtc7.net/



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Re: Simulation finds 9/11 fireproofing key
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2007, 11:15:15 PM »
Perhaps the videos do not show Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon due to low quality or something else clearly hitting it. Possibly National Security with the release compromising ongoing investigations or jeopardizing future Pentagon security. There is no answer outside blatant speculation.

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Re: Simulation finds 9/11 fireproofing key
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2007, 11:21:31 PM »
There is no answer outside blatant speculation.

I just wanted some ideas... I'm having a hard time coming up with reasons to withold videos of the Pentagon impact for over 6 years.
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Re: Simulation finds 9/11 fireproofing key
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2007, 11:07:36 PM »
Absolutely nothing new here. Same info presented in a documentary some years ago.