New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon

[Straw Man]

Pilots for 9/11 Truth obtained black box data from the government under the Freedom of Information Act for AA Flight 77, which The 9/11 Report claims hit the Pentagon. Analysis of the data contradicts the official account in direction, approach, and altitude. The plane was too high to hit lamp posts and would have flown over the Pentagon, not impacted with its ground floor. This result confirms and strengthens the previous findings of Scholars for 9/11 Truth that no Boeing 757 hit the buillding.

more here:  http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20070621/bs_prweb/prweb534642_1

the plot thickens:

06/23/07
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[seauantea]

It is pleasantly surprising to see Yahoo covering a story such as this. However, after watching their first documentary on the black box readout, I was unimpressed with the approach and conclusions of the Pilots for 911 truth.

A vastly more scientific documentary regarding Flight 77 can be found here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2833924626286859522&hl=en

For those of you who dismiss this counter evidence without thinking (in much the same way as you accepted it), here is another documentary with 2 Pentagon police officers who witnessed the attack. Here you can watch both of them give detailed eye witness accounts which blatantly contradict the "official" flight path:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4196580169348087802&hl=en

[MB_722]

that pentacon video was interesting. the final 20 minutes is good

[youandme]

Anyone see the Utah UFO media coverage? Apparently a plane full of passengers saw 2 UFOs and the captain of the plane went on Glen Beck's show, and talked about it.

[MB_722]

glenn beck and nancy grace should both be thrown in a pit

[Eyeball Chambers]

glenn beck and nancy grace should both be thrown in a pit

AHAHAHAHAHHA That cracked me up.  Thank you!

[seauantea]

that pentacon video was interesting. the final 20 minutes is good

I agree, but there is a paradox:

1) Both officers are positive the flight path is north of the gas station and Naval Annex, in accordance with the NTSB findings (and directly refuting The 911 Commission's path)

2) Both officers are positive the plane hit the Pentagon

The problem is, whatever hit the Pentagon had to have been on The 911 Commission flight path trajectory based on the downed light poles outside as well as the internal damage sustained to the columns and the A, B, and C ring walls of the Pentagon.

The internal damage


The conflicting flight paths (The 911 Commission path is in purple, the NTSB and Pentagon Police Eye witness path is in green)



(Media taken from http://www.911-strike.com/quantum-path.htm)

Comments?

[ieffinhatecardio]

glenn beck and nancy grace should both be thrown in a pit

I don't know enough about Glenn Beck to agree but you're dead on about Nancy DisGrace.

[egj13]

Anyone see the Utah UFO media coverage? Apparently a plane full of passengers saw 2 UFOs and the captain of the plane went on Glen Beck's show, and talked about it.

You realize what is in Utah that could involve something that could be mistaken as a UFO don't you? A little place called Dugway proving grounds, not to mention the Utah test and training range, better known to CTers as "area 52"

[OzmO]

I don't get where anyone can suppose or think that a missile was used to hit the pentagon.

Why do it?   2 towers were enough to change the world.

What do you do with the plane and the passengers?

How many people would have to be involved across how many agencies and departments including Airport employees, Airline employees, families, air traffic controllers, etc... that you'd have to keep silent?

[Dos Equis]

I don't get where anyone can suppose or think that a missile was used to hit the pentagon.

Why do it?   2 towers were enough to change the world.

What do you do with the plane and the passengers?

How many people would have to be involved across how many agencies and departments including Airport employees, Airline employees, families, air traffic controllers, etc... that you'd have to keep silent?

This is the dumbest conspiracy theory I've ever heard of. 

[seauantea]

I don't get where anyone can suppose or think that a missile was used to hit the pentagon.

Why do it?   2 towers were enough to change the world.

What do you do with the plane and the passengers?

How many people would have to be involved across how many agencies and departments including Airport employees, Airline employees, families, air traffic controllers, etc... that you'd have to keep silent?

Apparently 2 towers were not enough to change the world, hence 4 simultaneously hijacked airliners.

Do you know what part of the Pentagon was struck?

Do you know what Rumsfeld announced the day before?

Do you know who died in the Pentagon?

If you bothered to do some research instead of making mindless assumptions about the necessary conspirators you would have some possible answers.

Why not contribute something of substance and address the issues raised regarding the NTSB and The 911 Commission flight path discrepancies?

[OzmO]

Apparently 2 towers were not enough to change the world, hence 4 simultaneously hijacked airliners.

Do you know what part of the Pentagon was struck?

Do you know what Rumsfeld announced the day before?

Do you know who died in the Pentagon?

If you bothered to do some research instead of making mindless assumptions about the necessary conspirators you would have some possible answers.

Why not contribute something of substance and address the issues raised regarding the NTSB and The 911 Commission flight path discrepancies?

And i was starting to think you were actually smart.........

Apparently 2 towers weren't enough?  You don;t know that because it wasn't only 2 towers.  But I'm sure most would agree that 2 towers would have still caused all the changes we see today.


Yes to all your questions,  I have done extensive research in the pentagon part of 9/11 and have had many long detailed discussions with 240 on the subject. 

The questions I asked are only part of many questions and facts that make the idea of a missile hitting the pentagon ridiculous(if that is what you are getting at....or is it holograms? ). 

But take comfort in the fact that many people like your self who think they are intelligent are moonbots in spite of it all. 

[Old_Rooster]

The people that were on the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon are living on the island of the tv show 'Lost'
They are the OTHERS.  I thought everyone knew that.

[Dos Equis]

The people that were on the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon are living on the island of the tv show 'Lost'
They are the OTHERS.  I thought everyone knew that.

lol.   

[OzmO]

The people that were on the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon are living on the island of the tv show 'Lost'
They are the OTHERS.  I thought everyone knew that.

No one opened the "intellectual think tank" in Wonderland and told seauantea that i guess.   

[Colossus_500]

No one opened the "intellectual think tank" in Wonderland and told seauantea that i guess.   

ouch!  lol   

[seauantea]

And i was starting to think you were actually smart.........

Apparently 2 towers weren't enough?  You don;t know that because it wasn't only 2 towers.  But I'm sure most would agree that 2 towers would have still caused all the changes we see today.

You implied that if the government were behind 911 "2 towers" would have been enough; I threw your logic back in your face by pointing out it wasn’t even enough for ‘19 Muslims with box-cutters’.

One tower could have been enough.

One plane could have been enough.

One thoughtless moderator could have been enough.

The point: Keep your speculation about what is and is not enough to yourself because there is no way to substantiate it and it contradicts both the official 911 conspiracy theory and the many alternate ones.

Yes to all your questions,  I have done extensive research in the pentagon part of 9/11 and have had many long detailed discussions with 240 on the subject. 

The questions I asked are only part of many questions and facts that make the idea of a missile hitting the pentagon ridiculous(if that is what you are getting at....or is it holograms? ). 

But take comfort in the fact that many people like your self who think they are intelligent are moonbots in spite of it all. 

If you had done your research you would not be asking for reasons to strike the Pentagon; the announcement on Sep 10th regarding 2.3 trillion in lost transactions in conjunction with the dozens of accounting staff killed at the Pentagon on 911 provide a plausible motive. Instead you should be focusing what little brainpower you possess on conjuring an explanation for the aforementioned flight path discrepancies between the 911 Commission and NTSB.

I am not holding my breath

[OzmO]

You implied that if the government were behind 911 "2 towers" would have been enough; I threw your logic back in your face by pointing out it wasn’t even enough for ‘19 Muslims with box-cutters’.

One tower could have been enough.

One plane could have been enough.

One thoughtless moderator could have been enough.

The point: Keep your speculation about what is and is not enough to yourself because there is no way to substantiate it and it contradicts both the official 911 conspiracy theory and the many alternate ones.

And same goes for your speculation:

Apparently 2 towers were not enough to change the world, hence 4 simultaneously hijacked airliners.

Perhaps you can get smart enough to follow your own advice....  but then jackasses like your self live as legends in their own mind.   

If you had done your research you would not be asking for reasons to strike the Pentagon; the announcement on Sep 10th regarding 2.3 trillion in lost transactions in conjunction with the dozens of accounting staff killed at the Pentagon on 911 provide a plausible motive. Instead you should be focusing what little brainpower you possess on conjuring an explanation for the aforementioned flight path discrepancies between the 911 Commission and NTSB.

Motive doesn't by itself prove anything.  But to a moon-bot, you probably think Humpty Dumpty was pushed off the wall.

 Your comments have proven yourself to be a real assumptive idiot.   

Perhaps in your self induced delusions of brilliance you can answer some of the questions i asked about the passengers and plane.

Or just spit out more intellectual snobbery...hahahahaha

[24KT]

WARNING:

This premises contains testosterone, ...a substance known to be harmful to polite discussion.
Testosterone thwarts diplomacy, ...and can lead to much arrogant chest thumping.

Debilitating effects of testosterone poisoning are ad hominem attacks on others, coupled with delusional states of
thinking you are coming off as a real tough badass, when in reality you just look like a jerk.

If you are suffering from testosterone poisoning, ...please back away from the keyboard... slowly. 

[Dos Equis]

WARNING:

This premises contains testosterone, ...a substance known to be harmful to polite discussion.
Testosterone thwarts diplomacy, ...and can lead to much arrogant chest thumping.

Debilitating effects of testerone poisoning are ad hominem attacks on others, coupled with delusional states of
thinking you are coming off as a real tough badass, when in reality you just look like a jerk.

If you are suffering from testosterone poisoning, ...please back away from the keyboard... slowly. 

Is that worse than dealing with a woman on the rag . . . or in your case menopause? 

 

[24KT]

Is that worse than dealing with a woman on the rag . . . or in your case menopause? 

 

   Nothing could possibly be worse than dealing with a woman on the rag!

ps - I wish I were menopausal, ...but no such luck. I'll sadly be riding the crimson wave for many years to come. 

[OzmO]

Is there such a thing a Nag war?   

[Dos Equis]

  Nothing could possibly be worse than dealing with a woman on the rag!

WRONG!  Try dealing with multiple females on the rag.   

[24KT]

Is there such a thing a Nag war?   

Yes there is! ...and I've declared it on you until you let me beat you at poker! {pout}