Perma-Bulkers: Attention - Good News

[The True Adonis]

Matt C = the Great Compromiser.... he is indeed color blind.

He is just a moderate sheep with no convictions and cannot grasp facts.  People like him are the silent majority who let things turn to shit, nodding their empty little heads in unison because they have nothing at all to contribute or add to a discussion.

They are and will always be, someone elses mindless bitch.

[Man of Steel]

Yes I know, it's really hard to get anyone to change, but I enjoy arguing for its own sake so my posting isn't wasted effort even if no one is convinced.

I actually agree with you.   I've always been natural, I'd wager my bf% currently hovers around 18%, I can lift a ton, I'm not a bb or pl, I've never competed and I don't care to.   Still, I hate cardio, but I do enough to not look like King Kong Bundy.   My blood pressure is great, the levels in my blood are great,  I take my vitamins/minerals, I eat clean 85% of the time these days, I eat whatever I want the other 15% and I'm not concerned with what others think.   If I choose to gain or loose I will.   I've done both and everything in between.    I tried supplements that I discovered were glorified placebos, I've eaten nothing but boiled chicken/brown rice/veggies, etc.....point is, I've tried just about everything I care to try.   If I wanna gain I'll up my calories, cardio less and weight train.   If I wanna lose I'll restrict my calories, cardio more and weight train.

[The True Adonis]

even in that pic, which wasn't during his prime, he is a lean 220+. if he wanted to, do you really think with specific bbing training he would not be over 200lbs ripped, which btw, not one of you wannabes has showed me, even at 150lbs which is very tragic indeed.

Find me a natural bodybuilder under 6 feet and ripped at 200 lbs or over.  You can`t. It has NEVER happened.

[pobrecito]

Find me a natural bodybuilder under 6 feet and ripped at 200 lbs or over.  You can`t. It has NEVER happened.

JRod owns you.

[shiftedShapes]

In a powerlifting sense.

well I don't think that powerlifting does a good job of measuring strenght because not everyone has to move the weight through the same range of motion.  If you get leaner you can be just as strong but you will not be able to pass some lifts that you used to because you will lack the ROM shortening blubber that you used to carry.

Still though powerlifters are ranked based on a ratio of BW to lifts, so if you want to be a good powerlifter you are probably better off losing fat.

[The True Adonis]

JRod owns you.

He looks great for a 170 lber at 6`1.

[Man of Steel]

Find me a natural bodybuilder under 6 feet and ripped at 200 lbs or over.  You can`t. It has NEVER happened.

Even if you're right, what does it matter?    Still, the only guarantee in life is that there are no guarentees and there are alway exceptions to the rule; regardless, I could care less.   You're qualifications for aesthetic perfection are completely skewed and you know it....case closed.   I don't care how many Greek or Roman statues you use as a reference.

[The True Adonis]

Even if you're right, what does it matter?    Still, the only guarantee in life is that there are no guarentees and there are alway exceptions to the rule; regardless, I could care less.   You're qualifications for aesthetic perfection are completely skewed and you know it....case closed.

Find me an exception to the rule.

 Find me a human with Wings and the ability to fly.  I bet you can`t.

[shiftedShapes]

He looks great for a 170 lber at 6`1.

surely though Matt C at "5'9"" could work his way up to 190lbs lean.

[pumpher]

Find me a natural bodybuilder under 6 feet and ripped at 200 lbs or over.  You can`t. It has NEVER happened.

Skip LaCour 5'10" about 220lb onstage 

[pobrecito]

He looks great for a 170 lber at 6`1.

he's not 6'1"

He is 5'9" and competes at 176lbs with striated triceps.

What's even more amazing is he is only 23. Can you imagine how much progress he will make by the time he is 35-40 (the time a natural peaks) ? 

[Man of Steel]

Find me an exception to the rule.

 Find me a human with Wings and the ability to fly.  I bet you can`t.

Please TA, spare me this warped logic......we're not talkin about defying physics here......I like comic books, but I still live in reality.   

[210 and growing]

delicious.

I also like pickled tomatoes, cucumbers, onions, etc..  Often 0 cals, I eat these on the weekend.

Durring the week I sit in front of a computer for most of the day doing very little, so unless I am really stressed I fast durring the day.

I bet you are a real hit with your friends and the ladies. You sit at home eating tomotoes all weekend, and do fuck all all week !! 

[The True Adonis]

he's not 6'1"

He is 5'9" and competes at 176lbs with striated triceps.

What's even more amazing is he is only 23. Can you imagine how much progress he will make by the time he is 35-40 (the time a natural peaks) ? 

Yah I predict he will be about 177 or 178.  Sounds good!

[BEAST 8692]

Jim Jeffries was 6`2-6`3 numbnuts and not lean at 200 lbs.

jim jeffries nowhere near 6'2"/6'3". watch the johnson fight. are you saying johnson was 6'6"? he was closer to 6'1-2 and, btw, he was 210-215

about the only boxer (of any notoriety) at the time who was over 6'2" was jess willard and he was considered a giant at 6'4". btw, willard weighed 260lbs.

joe louis weighed 210 lean with abs 1930s. jack dempsey 185 but very cut 1918 - 1920s. hell, marciano was pretty cut at 5'9" 183lbs, but he was 1950s so he was probably using steroids right?

most of these guys absolutely avoided weight training because they and their trainers believed that weight training made you muscle bound and slow, so they are not even good examples.

i can't be fucked looking (not interested), but i'm sure there's plenty of strong men, gymnasts, weightlifters, whatever that are better examples.

my point is there is plenty of evidence to PROVE that your theories are bullshit. they promote body destruction in the natural athlete, not bodybuilding.

[BIG ACH]

I actually agree with the original poster of this thread.

As a natural, its probably not likely that you will be a BEAST.  You will be big, can be huge, but a FREAKY BEAST naturally will most likely not happen.

Sure I do know some natural freaks that I meet every now and then, but thats like 1 in a million.    Either way, I think one should keep pushing and fighting and taking his genetics to the limits, the human body is capable of so much more than what we believe so who knows maybe you are that 1 in a million, one will never know unless you really bust your ass and stay consistent!

[shiftedShapes]

I bet you are a real hit with your friends and the ladies. You sit at home eating tomotoes all weekend, and do fuck all all week !! 

unlike most fat asses, eating is not my primary activity.  Sure I go to nice restaurants, but I prefer to be out and about, not couped up eating chicken breast 6-8 times a day.

[SirTraps]

jim jeffries had a tremendous physique , naturally without weight training-he was huge and cut.

[shiftedShapes]

I actually agree with the original poster of this thread.

As a natural, its probably not likely that you will be a BEAST.  You will be big, can be huge, but a FREAKY BEAST naturally will most likely not happen.

Sure I do know some natural freaks that I meet every now and then, but thats like 1 in a million.    Either way, I think one should keep pushing and fighting and taking his genetics to the limits, the human body is capable of so much more than what we believe so who knows maybe you are that 1 in a million, one will never know unless you really bust your ass and stay consistent!

I'm sure most of the naturals who have actually dieted down agree with me.

Most of the others here are living in a fantasy land aspiring to be the next Marcus Ruhl and they think that they're going to get their on the Muscletech stack.  Unfortunately, advertising works really well.

[The True Adonis]

jim jeffries nowhere near 6'2"/6'3". watch the johnson fight. are you saying johnson was 6'6"? he was closer to 6'1-2 and, btw, he was 210-215

about the only boxer (of any notoriety) at the time who was over 6'2" was jess willard and he was considered a giant at 6'4". btw, willard weighed 260lbs.

joe louis weighed 210 lean with abs 1930s. jack dempsey 185 but very cut 1918 - 1920s. hell, marciano was pretty cut at 5'9" 183lbs, but he was 1950s so he was probably using steroids right?

most of these guys absolutely avoided weight training because they and their trainers believed that weight training made you muscle bound and slow, so they are not even good examples.

i can't be fucked looking (not interested), but i'm sure there's plenty of strong men, gymnasts, weightlifters, whatever that are better examples.

my point is there is plenty of evidence to PROVE that your theories are bullshit. they promote body destruction in the natural athlete, not bodybuilding.

Hope this helps!
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Jim_Jeffries


By the way, Jack Dempsey was my Grandfather`s best friend.

[Man of Steel]

jim jeffries had a tremendous physique , naturally without weight training-he was huge and cut.

I've seen both natty and juicers a couple months out from shows and personally I think they both look better carrying more bf than they do "ripped to the bone".   Their musculature is clearly evident even if they couldn't sub for the anatomy chart in an A&P class.  It's this self-righteous "nattytude" that gets old.   Sure, some of their approaches to weight loss and diet have some merit (common sense really), but they'll always be inherently flawed as they can't universally replicate these results in everyone.   Still, their "theories" existed well before them.   If I ate 12 cheeseburgers everyday for a couple months and then suddenly reduced those cheeseburgers to 8 a day I begin to lose weight.....this most likely applies to a lot of people, but not everyone....the body ain't a universal system.....sorry.

[BIG ACH]

I've seen both natty and juicers a couple months out from shows and personally I think they both look better carrying more bf than they do "ripped to the bone".   Their musculature is clearly evident even if they couldn't sub for the anatomy chart in an A&P class.  It's this self-righteous "nattytude" that gets old.   Sure, some of their approaches to weight loss and diet have some merit (common sense really), but they'll always be inherently flawed as they can't universally replicate these results in everyone.   Still, their "theories" existed well before them.   If I ate 12 cheeseburgers everyday for a couple months and then suddenly reduced those cheeseburgers to 8 a day I begin to lose weight.....this most likely applies to a lot of people, but not everyone....the body ain't a universal system.....sorry.

Great point and many valid comments!

[Krankenstein]

I used to be a perma bulker who believed alot of my fat was infact muscle. Now I have been shown the light by legendary naturals such as The True Adonis, The Leafy Bug, Bast, and Daddywaddy.

Just one question.....what makes them 'legendary naturals'??

[BEAST 8692]

Hope this helps!
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Jim_Jeffries


By the way, Jack Dempsey was my Grandfather`s best friend.

boxrec is not accurate.

boxing is a huge psychological sport and hw boxers will inflate their height measurements about as much as bbers will their arms.

do you really think tyson was a bee's dick under 6' (5'11.5")?

what about old man holyfield. did you know that he grew 2 inches when he went from cruiser weight to hw, and he was approaching his 30s matt, maybe you should take up boxing and become a hw mate. could be the answer to your short man syndrome issues with height.

look up boxrec and tell me how tall jack johnson was...now watch the jeffries johnson fight on youtube...tell me again that jeffries was 6'3"?

boxrec is only a guide, it is not fact.

just take a look at jim's physique (the one you posted will be fine) at 220lbs.

now imagine these indisputable FACTS:

no bbing training
no bbing diet
no bbing supplements
no bbing drugs
all cardio (you know, that stuff that you say is catabolic)

[shiftedShapes]

boxrec is not accurate.

boxing is a huge psychological sport and hw boxers will inflate their height measurements about as much as bbers will their arms.

do you really think tyson was a bee's dick under 6' (5'11.5")?

what about old man holyfield. did you know that he grew 2 inches when he went from cruiser weight to hw, and he was approaching his 30s matt, maybe you should take up boxing and become a hw mate. could be the answer to your short man syndrome issues with height.

look up boxrec and tell me how tall jack johnson was...now watch the jeffries johnson fight on youtube...tell me again that jeffries was 6'3"?

boxrec is only a guide, it is not fact.

just take a look at jim's physique (the one you posted will be fine) at 220lbs.

now imagine these indisputable FACTS:

no bbing training
no bbing diet
no bbing supplements
no bbing drugs
all cardio (you know, that stuff that you say is catabolic)

yeah and he has the musculature of an average joe, what's your point?