Gyno Causes

[clayton green]

I am on my first cycle, currently using test-e 750 mg, deca 450 mg and test-Prop (100mg eod).  My nipples are stating to feel a little sore/tender.  I have liquidex on hand and  am going to start .5 mg eod.  However, how do I know if the possible gyno is from the test or deca? 

Should I also use something else with the liquidex or see how that goes first?


Also, would the following be a good PCT cycle for the above gear?

Clomid - 300mg day 1, 100mg day 2-14, 50 mg day 15-30.  Nova ran concurrently with Clomid at 20mg for 30 days.

[delta9mda]

dont matter test or deca, start dex now.

[4thAD]

seems a bit much for a first cycle! You should be running test only and then you would know how prone you are to gyno with test alone!

Run the adex!

[Overload]

Take 10mg nolva ED.

[trab]

I am on my first cycle, currently using test-e 750 mg, deca 450 mg and test-Prop (100mg eod).  My nipples are stating to feel a little sore/tender.  I have liquidex on hand and  am going to start .5 mg eod.  However, how do I know if the possible gyno is from the test or deca? 

Should I also use something else with the liquidex or see how that goes first?


Also, would the following be a good PCT cycle for the above gear?

Clomid - 300mg day 1, 100mg day 2-14, 50 mg day 15-30.  Nova ran concurrently with Clomid at 20mg for 30 days.

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Clayton, 300mg of Clomid?* DONT DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  2 X 50MG TABS A DAY MAX! 2-3 wks at the very end.
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[clayton green]

Trab,

I was just going off the newbie steroid sticky that Arnold wrote/suggested.  I am planning to go off at  the end of August and wanted to make sure I had everyhing before that time.  I know I should have had the stuff before going on but things got kind of confusing when I first started.  However, I now have a good source and the stuff comes within a couple of days.

[trab]

Dont take 300mgs of clomid in a day - wow!

[Luv2Hurt]

I am on my first cycle, currently using test-e 750 mg, deca 450 mg and test-Prop (100mg eod).  My nipples are stating to feel a little sore/tender. 

Well first off thats a lot of test!  When I take that much I start to see the sides also.  Mainly my prostate will blow up like a balloon.  If I was you i would start Letrozole at the max theraputic dose of 2.5 MG EOD.  That should knock it down in a week or so.  Estrogen is causing the gyno symptoms, with a cycle that big not taking any E protection is foolish.  But I bet you are probally strong as shit right about now.

[clayton green]

The gear kicked in on Monday, which was about the 3rd week on this gear.  I had been on some other gear, which I think was beat, so I found a reliable source and bridge to this cycle.

I hope the liquidex .5 cc every other day will take care of the gyno. 

[clayton green]

Luv2hurt,

What are some of the signs of prostrate enlarging?

[clayton green]

Trab,
Based on my cycle 750 mg test-e, 450 mg deca and 100mg test-p eod, how and what would you run for a pct.. This will be my first!

[trab]

Trab,
Based on my cycle 750 mg test-e, 450 mg deca and 100mg test-p eod, how and what would you run for a pct.. This will be my first!

1. I'd save the prop, and use it after tapering the TE down to 200 every 5th day. I'd run that prop same as ya are now for 2-3 wks after the TE got down to 200.
* I'd dump the Deca at least 3-4wks before the test.

the Adex ought to stop the tingles asap, if not hit nolva and wipe it out NOW!

When I ran out of Prop, I'd take 100mgs of Clomid a day, it has a Very long 1/2 life and I dont care if I take it in 1 morning dose. 2 weeks of that.

Then to be anal retentive, I'd run Nolva for 2 weeks at 20. It dont seem to hurt a thing, and you WILL have very Low Nat Test, and a rebound at some point.

[4thAD]

Luv2hurt,

What are some of the signs of prostrate enlarging?

You'll know it. It will be very hard to piss and finish off without leaking all over your pants when you put it away!

[clayton green]

I have it!! anything you can do, i.e., proscar, etc.

[trab]

I have it!! anything you can do, i.e., proscar, etc.

If you think there's a prob you should have the Doc check. Have you ever had them check before?

[Luv2Hurt]

I have it!! anything you can do, i.e., proscar, etc.

http://www.understandbph.com/What_is_Enlarged_Prostate/BPH_Symptoms.aspx

Well first have your doc check you out to make sure its not prostate cancer.  Since this is happening and you are on a cycle it is most likely from the test that your prostate is enlarged, test does that to men.  The doc will give you a digital rectal exam to see if the prostate is enlarged and how it feels.  Since it more than likely is enlarged, they will have to do more test to rule out cancer, that is the first priority for the doctor.  They will draw blood to check your PSA's and most likely do a KUB (kidney, urinary, bladder) diagnostic x-ray.  These test will tell the doctor if you have cancer or just BPH.

For BPH there are some drugs you can take. Adovart being the newest and most potent, they block the formation of DHT. Finistride is another choice. Your doctor will be able to prescribe these for you.  Now I asked Dave Palumbo about this also and he also said Estrogen is at first responsible for this prostate sensitivity, and Im sure from the cycle you described you have plenty of aromatase going on. So get on that liqui-dex full strength, I would say at least 1mg EOD

[clayton green]

I took .5 mg today but will up it on Friday.  I have been taking proscar for hairloss but I guess it was not enough to handle the large amount of test.

I had planned to the run the test-e and deca out  to the end and I only have about 3-4 injects left of test-prop.

However, I was told that I should gradually lower the dose of the test-e when coming off and stop the deca about 2-3 weeks before lowering the test dosage.  I was under the impression that one could run the test and deca the required time, wait about 2 week and  start the pct.  If i am wrong, please advise on how to gradually taper off and what pct  cycle I should use.

I had also obtained some naps but discoverd that they are really on your  hair so I am not going to use them at all.  My next cycle I  will use var  and  any other substance that does not cause BPH, hair loss or gyno.  I  think I will stick with the ones that have no to mild side effects and just deal with only gaining a few pounds, which I  hear will stay with you.

[trab]

Clayton read this discussion AJ and I had re waiting 2 weeks for PCT. Pay particular attn to the
part where hes talkin about HCG  a week after last shot.


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I understand what you're saying and you make some good points, but here has always been my thinking. We know that test-e has a half life of around 10.5days, so in knowing that, it's going to be a littel while before it's out of your system and to where nolva and clomid will do any good. Of course, then you are left with that 2wk period of declining test, and nothing else. For this reason I'm an advocate of HCG for 10-14 days before nolva and clomid...usually around 1wk after last test injection, but if one started sooner it would not hurt anything IMO.

Now if a guy doesn't use hcg as part of this plan will it hurt him? Most likely not, not if the cycle was relatively low in amounts like the one we're talking about...but with a more advanced cycle, it would be wise to include it, otherwise the crash would be much much harsher.

Now I've done it both ways, and personally speaking I've never had a performance glitch doing it this way, even without the HCG...however, ever since I've been using heavier cycles I've always used HCG. The hardest time for me is always after PCT...usually the 3 or 4 wks following PCT. After that things seem to start to normalize.
 
 
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[coolioni]

Definatly start taking nolvadex or arimidex right away to prevent gyno.
You are taking quite a bit of test for your first cycle.
Most people do very well with 500mg a week of test for their first cycle.
I even used to do cycles with only 250 mgs of test a week, and did well.
You should take advantage of your body not being used to steriod injections in the beginning.
This is when you will respond to just about anything.
As your body adapts to doing cycles, you will need more and more juice, which will cost you more money!

[clayton green]

http://www.understandbph.com/What_is_Enlarged_Prostate/BPH_Symptoms.aspx

Well first have your doc check you out to make sure its not prostate cancer.  Since this is happening and you are on a cycle it is most likely from the test that your prostate is enlarged, test does that to men.  The doc will give you a digital rectal exam to see if the prostate is enlarged and how it feels.  Since it more than likely is enlarged, they will have to do more test to rule out cancer, that is the first priority for the doctor.  They will draw blood to check your PSA's and most likely do a KUB (kidney, urinary, bladder) diagnostic x-ray.  These test will tell the doctor if you have cancer or just BPH.

For BPH there are some drugs you can take. Adovart being the newest and most potent, they block the formation of DHT. Finistride is another choice. Your doctor will be able to prescribe these for you.  Now I asked Dave Palumbo about this also and he also said Estrogen is at first responsible for this prostate sensitivity, and Im sure from the cycle you described you have plenty of aromatase going on. So get on that liqui-dex full strength, I would say at least 1mg EOD

I had my annual exam last year and everything was ok.  I suspect as you said that the BPH is directly related to the  test.  I am alreay on Proscar for hairloss (been taking it for about 10 years).  I take 2.5 mg but may have to up the dosage.

I will read read the suggested post re: PCT.

[4thAD]

on 500mg of test a week 1mg of adex will only bring your estrogen down to normal levels unless your body converts at a much higher level. Run at least 1mg every day. Don't miss days and run it until you start PCT. Also forget the nolva, that just blocks estrogen, you need to get rid of estrogen as there is to much in your body, and you are obviously sensitive to it!

[clayton green]

I started .5 mg of liquidex on Wednesday and less than a day I felt a difference//relief.  i am trying it eod.  If the symptoms start to resume, I will increase the dosage and frequency.

[Beener]

What do you guys think about the liquidex: .5 or 1 mg ed?  I myself find that I'm rather gyno prone (thanks god, you bastard). I only tried .5 to .7 every day. I already have gyno from puberty etc though and i dunno if it really gets worse with the cycle or if im a paranoid mother fucker.

 I've heard 1mg ed has no more effect than .5mg, this true?

[trab]

What do you guys think about the liquidex: .5 or 1 mg ed?  I myself find that I'm rather gyno prone (thanks god, you bastard). I only tried .5 to .7 every day. I already have gyno from puberty etc though and i dunno if it really gets worse with the cycle or if im a paranoid mother fucker.

 I've heard 1mg ed has no more effect than .5mg, this true?

Ive had some from puberty too. Ive been able  to keep it from increasing any more than proportionate w/ my size increase. I also got some good meat there too that can heave stuff off my chest.
I push it on a mass cycle till I start to itch. then hit some remedy.