STEROIDS BULLSHIT!!!!!!!

[Playboy]

i hear you but i'm talking about government staying out of our lives completely, that was what this country was originally founded on, what you do and what you want to put into your own body is yoru choice and trying to legislate what people put in their own bodies is pointless and futile.

I agree with you.

[wes mantooth]

i hear you but i'm talking about government staying out of our lives completely, that was what this country was originally founded on, what you do and what you want to put into your own body is yoru choice and trying to legislate what people put in their own bodies is pointless and futile.

agree, but the argument is that you cant put things in your body that can potentially harm others.....

where the argument fails in govt is that cigarettes are legal...harming others from second hand smoke, and alcohol is legal.....and harms many ways....too many  to count

the FACT is that they are both taxed to death.....making money for the wasps in govt.

weed....coke....meth.... ..all dirty...thay dont want any part of it

juice? makes you crazy squad....havent you read the reports??? fucking ridiculous

[The Squadfather]

agree, but the argument is that you cant put things in your body that can potentially harm others.....

where the argument fails in govt is that cigarettes are legal...harming others from second hand smoke, and alcohol is legal.....and harms many ways....too many  to count

the FACT is that they are both taxed to death.....making money for the wasps in govt.

weed....coke....meth.... ..all dirty...thay dont want any part of it

juice? makes you crazy squad....havent you read the reports??? fucking ridiculous

bullshit, smoking doesn't hurt anyone but the smoker, if you don't like it go away from it, alcohol only hurts the person drinking it and don't give me this DWI bullshit either, plenty of sober people die in car accidents all the time, trying to legislate what people put into their own bodies is stupid.

[gatomjp]

bullshit, smoking doesn't hurt anyone but the smoker, if you don't like it go away from it, alcohol only hurts the person drinking it and don't give me this DWI bullshit either, plenty of sober people die in car accidents all the time, trying to legislate what people put into their own bodies is stupid.

Amen brother! Let's all try to remember the principle this country was founded on! Freedom! The idea was to keep the government from interfering in our lives as much as possible. Especially when it comes to our bodies!

[wes mantooth]

bullshit, smoking doesn't hurt anyone but the smoker, if you don't like it go away from it, alcohol only hurts the person drinking it and don't give me this DWI bullshit either, plenty of sober people die in car accidents all the time, trying to legislate what people put into their own bodies is stupid.

come on dude...dont tell me you are gonna argue the "second hand smoke" conspiracy theory.....and a 3 year old kid cant "go away" from parents who smoke. were not just talking bars here....

and yes, old people are worse in many cases than drunks on the road...and the govt doesnt legislate them....but you cant say that drunk driving should not be prohibited...that just ignorant...

[The Squadfather]

come on dude...dont tell me you are gonna argue the "second hand smoke" conspiracy theory.....and a 3 year old kid cant "go away" from parents who smoke. were not just talking bars here....

and yes, old people are worse in many cases than drunks on the road...and the govt doesnt legislate them....but you cant say that drunk driving should not be prohibited...that just ignorant...

yes a 3 year old can walk away from it, my parents both smoked and i'm just fine and if you get caught driving drunk you go to jail that's the law so if you get caught don't cry that it's unfair but it doesn't mean that alcohol should be illegal to drink or posess.

[bmacsys]

agreed. the government makes a clusterfuck out of everything it touches. they need a housecleaning more than anybody.

[wes mantooth]

yes a 3 year old can walk away from it, my parents both smoked and i'm just fine and if you get caught driving drunk you go to jail that's the law so if you get caught don't cry that it's unfair but it doesn't mean that alcohol should be illegal to drink or posess.

many can be fine....second hand smoke effects different people in different ways....my point was thay cant "just leave" like you said...

i think you missed my point in regard to the alcohol thing....i dont think it should be illegal at all........that why i was saying the govt is insane!!!!! drugs that are mind/ neuro altering are legal....but stuff like juice isnt?? doesnt make sense to me.

[gatomjp]

come on dude...dont tell me you are gonna argue the "second hand smoke" conspiracy theory.....and a 3 year old kid cant "go away" from parents who smoke. were not just talking bars here....

and yes, old people are worse in many cases than drunks on the road...and the govt doesnt legislate them....but you cant say that drunk driving should not be prohibited...that just ignorant...

Wes, you gotta take the bad with the good. The concept here is that you don't want anyone legislating behavior (smoking LAWS, helmet LAWS, seatbelt LAWS) because eventually they will get around to legislating something that YOU want to do!

[bmacsys]

oh, that's the first i've heard of that... you really think he's just a crank?

The healthcare system is by far the best in the world if you have health insurance which most people do. The hospitals, the technologies and healthcare workers here are the best by far. If you are poor you are fine. If you are rich you are fine. If you are middle income and uninsured or under insured you can be ruined financially.

[bmacsys]

Indeed. The health care system over here is in shambles. It has been taken over by big business and is protected by Daddy Bush.

What have the Bush family to do with the healthcare system? Its been the way it is now way before either were in office.

[Jeriko]

the government is already too intrusive in peoples private lives, what a person puts into their own body is their business and they pay the repurcussions for what they do, it's that simple.

Bunch of Bull.  You can't make a blanket statement like that. That hypothetical person you speak of who you want to allow to put whatever he/she wants in his/her body because it's his/her body can and often does inflict pain or death on others due to their impaired judgement.  yeah, go ahead shoot up and get behind the wheel because I can't tell you what you can or can't consume.   

I can't remember the last time the government was intrusive in my life.  Then again I have nothing to hide.  I wish the government had more of a spine and stopped trying to be so appeasing. 

As far as gays - ("not that there's anything wrong with that"  )  It's moraly wrong. There is a reason there is man and woman were created. Procreation.  Having said that I have nothing against them and am not one who wishes to attempt to stop them from what they seek even though I don't agree with their way of life.

Good luck if you think the Libs are your answer.

[The Squadfather]

Bunch of Bull.  You can't make a blanket statement like that. That hypothetical person you speak of who you want to allow to put whatever he/she wants in his/her body because it's his/her body can and often does inflict pain or death on others due to their impaired judgement.  yeah, go ahead shoot up and get behind the wheel because I can't tell you what you can or can't consume.   

I can't remember the last time the government was intrusive in my life.  Then again I have nothing to hide.  I wish the government had more of a spine and stopped trying to be so appeasing. 

As far as gays - ("not that there's anything wrong with that"  )  It's moraly wrong. There is a reason there is man and woman were created. Procreation.  Having said that I have nothing against them and am not one who wishes to attempt to stop them from what they seek even though I don't agree with their way of life.

Good luck if you think the Libs are your answer.

you don't consider having 33 percent of your income taken intrusive?

[bmacsys]

Indeed... jsut remember to vote democrat and get those filthy republicans bastards out of office.

Big difference that will make. Are you even old enough to vote?

[Jeriko]

you don't consider having 33 percent of your income taken intrusive?

and you want them to take more for a healthcare system?

[The Squadfather]

and you want them to take more for a healthcare system?

i don't want them to take anything.

[Jeriko]

you don't consider having 33 percent of your income taken intrusive?

or maybe tax the rich more?

[Disgusted]

When are you guys going to realize that steroids kill!! I heard it on the news and our government is also telling us. Wake up people. 

[gatomjp]

There is a reason there is man and woman were created. Procreation. 

So do you think that a man and woman who get married but choose not to have children are immoral?

[Jeriko]

So do you think that a man and woman who get married but choose not to have children are immoral?

No. 

[Archer77]

So do you think that a man and woman who get married but choose not to have children are immoral?

this is an argument I have used on occasion.  If the bible says that marriage is the only place where sex should take place and that sex is exclusively for procreations than naturally it can be assumed that childless couples are being immoral. It does say be fruitful and multiple.  It does not state anywhere that sex is for or can be for personal enjoyment.  My wife and I do not have nor do we want to have kids so I guess that makes us immoral.  Also, there are a ton of documented cases of homosexuality in nature so to assume its unnatural is to have a limited understanding of nature. 

[gatomjp]

No. 

You have invalidated your previous remark, "It's moraly wrong. There is a reason there is man and woman were created. Procreation." By your reasoning every time YOU have sex without procreating you are immoral. Have you ever used birth control of any kind? I assume you have.

So now tell me why it's wrong for two PEOPLE who feel affection for each other to express that affection and have a life together.

P.S. I am not gay, if that's what you are thinking. But I have good friends and family who are.

[gatomjp]

you don't consider having 33 percent of your income taken intrusive?

Damn right it is!

[Devon97]

YEAH EVRYTIME I HAVE BEEN SICK GO TO HOSPITAL GET OUT DOSENT COST A THING....SURE YOU PAY IN TAXES...BUT IT WORKS OUT A LOT CHEAPER THEN HERE IN THE USA........LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE AND FAMILIES ARE PAYING FOR HEALTH CARE........I WOULD RATHER PAY A LITTLE MORE TAX..BE CHEAPER IN THE LONG RUN......AMERICA IS MEANT TO BE THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND THEY CANT EVEN GET THIS RIGHT.............JUST LET YOUR PEOPLE DIE......GOOD WORK.......ALL GREED....FUC KIN SICK

You would rather pay 50% TAXES then cover your own med bills?
BTW... why do you go to the hospital when you are sick>>?   You must be one VERY UNhealthy person.

[Jeriko]

You have invalidated your previous remark, "It's moraly wrong. There is a reason there is man and woman were created. Procreation." By your reasoning every time YOU have sex without procreating you are immoral.

I never said you have to procreate. And I never said that you should only have sex for the purpose of procreating. Let's not make silly assumptions. I'm simply pointing out that only a man and woman can procreate. And thus only a man and woman are meant to be together in that way. That, in part, is what I base my belief that being actively gay is immoral.

So now tell me why it's wrong for two PEOPLE who feel affection for each other to express that affection and have a life together.

see above.  I believe it's immoral but I wouldn't try to stop them from doing what they do.  Like in any other classification there are very good people who happen to be gay.

P.S. I am not gay

Not the prevailing word.... kidding

But I have good friends and family who are.

I have a sister in law, one friend and business associates that are gay (that i know of).  but that is not the issue.  BTW my sis/law is one of the sexiest ladies you'll ever see.  irrelevant but I thought I'd throw that out there anyway