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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2007, 08:51:21 AM »
Respectfully, I'd like to submit that you are just plain WRONG!

Everyone who has been lucky enough to hear about this and use it, RAVES about it.

People ARE suffering from these gas prices, and that's why the timing is so perfect. It's driving sales right off the chart.


If they were "off the chart" it would have gained positive media attention and investors.  neither has happened.

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Your reasoning is sound & logical ...for a retail business environment, HOWEVER this is NOT traditional retail. this is Network Mktg. Our product will NEVER, EVER be put into stores. The real capital investment money has been invested, and it came in real easy, however, in network mktg, the money is put into other things and NOT advertising. Traditional Advertising is the least important thing a network mktg company can do. If I ever saw a network marketing company advertising (from the company itself, ...not from distributors or distributor co-op groups) I would run for the hills. That's a huge red flag that says the product cannot stand on it's own through word-of-mouth BUZZ.

Network marketing products typically can not make it on their own.  They survive under the guise of selling opportunity.  The "selling of product" is driven by the "Network Marketing Structure".  In order to profit from your downline you must purchase a certain amount of product.

All advertising is at it's end is "Word of Mouth".  Remember the 3 Budweiser lizards?  The quickest most effective way to get "WOM" for a product is television advertising.  They can't advertise on television because the product benefits aren't measurable and they would have to say that in a disclaimer on the commercial and thus no-one would buy it. (that kind of thing only works with weight loss because overweight people are always looking for way to loss it without doing the work)  Otherwise, prudence at the very minimum, would dictate you put it on TV because you would create the largest buzz for a product like that IF in fact it truly worked.

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So you're telling me that transportation companies that purchase $2.4 million of the product after conducting their own tests, are buying a placebo? Are you trying to tell me that independant truckers with computerized equipment that measures their mpg, are receiving a placebo? Are you trying to say that a trucking firm that reduced they're fuel expenses by $16,800.oo / per month, on a regular route they've been doing for years ...is a placebo?

Do you think independent truckers are fooled by placebo? Do you think placebo's have the ability to alter a trucker's trip tags? Do you think Norman Scwarzkoff would be endorsing us if it was a placebo? Do you think the Ministry of Defense in the Ukraine is unable to distinguish between a placebo and the real thing? Do you think the #1 most sought after combustion expert in North America is fooled by placebo's? Come on OzmO, really!? Let us use some common sense indeed!  Roll Eyes

What I'm doing is not trolling for recruits. I'm sharing info of about something that will allow us to step up to the plate as responsible citizens of this planet, by using a product that with reduce emissions by 85% or more, save people money on their fuel costs, and empower them to make money sharing this product and expanding the market, if they choose to do so.

What you're doing is making an assumption that has no basis in fact, ...merely assumption.
Wouldn't you agree a wise man makes decisions based on facts, as opposed to assumptions?
I invite you to get some facts, ...even better, I invite you to use it, see if it doesn't increase your own MPG.

It pure logic, Jag, not assumption. 

You are trolling for recruits because of it really did work people would be kicking the door down to get it from you.

You don't think every trucking company and consumer isn't looking for way out of this gas crunch?   They all are.  If what you were selling truly worked you'd have millions of testimonies by now and the product would have gained national attention in the US.

The only attention it has gained is the AG in Texas.

Ministry of defense in Ukraine?  Com-on, a wooden nickel could corrupt anyone in that country.  As for Norman.......He's an also ran looking to pad his decedents inheritence.

But I must say you've stood by your product long enough to peak my curiosity some what.  How much is it?   ;D


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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2007, 03:35:53 PM »
If they were "off the chart" it would have gained positive media attention and investors.  neither has happened.

I disagree about the positive media attention part. You know the media. If it bleeds, ...it leads.
...and if it's not bleeding, ...they'll stab it to make sure they've got blood for the 6 o'clock news.

As for investors, ...you don't know who Randy & Wendy are do you?
They locked this up before anyone else could get a shot at it.

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Network marketing products typically can not make it on their own.

Of course not. They need the right mgmt behind them, impeccable timing, field leadership, duplicateability.
The thing is, there is more to a network mtkg company than merely it's products. Too often companies jump to network mkt their products because they want the exponential growth it produces, without even taking into consideration whether or not their product is even appropriate for the network mktg arena. Just because they fail, does not make network mktg bad, ...it simply means it was the wrong business model to apply to that particular product or service.

Best example I can give you of 2 similar products designed to do the same thing. One would flop in a network mktg arena, while the other one would thrive. Viagra. There's a product that would flop in networking. Why? Because one guy will never admit to another that he was experiencing challenges in that area. viagra needs to be advertised on TV, radio, internet etc., etc., Potential users have to be told to "Ask their doctor..." ...and even then, some men would never talk to their doctor, or fill a prescription at their local pharmacy. They'd prefer to buy it off the internet, have it delivered anonymously in a plain brown paper wrapper.

Women on the other hand would never walk into a store looking for a Viagra type product for women. They'd be more prone to talk with a girlfriend rather than some stranger. A network mktg distribution channel is perfect for a product like that. put it on a store shelf though, and she'd avoid it like the plague.  Same product... 2 different target markets requiring 2 different marketing strategies.

And this is of course assuming you have the right mgmt team at your helm. Cause it takes much more than just a great product. you can have the best product since sliced bread, but if you don't have the right team from a corporate standpoint, you're not going to make it, ...as so many others have discovered. Typically most network mktg companies are run by salespeople, former networkers who are good at sales, but they know nothing about managing a business. Or worse, ...you could have a corporate type who has never been out in the field and therefore does not have a good understanding of what is required on the corporate end, to enable success. There are so many factors that go into play, ...another is timing. You could have the right product, at the wrong time, ...and still flop. This product could never have succeeded in the consumer market place 50 years ago. People didn't care about saving money. The price of fuel wasn't such that it could justify let alone compell consumers to want the savings. today, the timing is perfect, ...because now it costs people more money to NOT use it, than it does to use. In addition, 50 years ago, we didn't understand what smog was, ...or what global climate change was. Now we do. We hadn't reached peak oil with a global awareness of the necessity to do what we can to thwart climate change, and the imperative to consume less fuel. Now we have, ...and this awareness, and this concern is not a local phenomenon, ...this is happening on a GLOBAL scale! There are factors that are converging together to create the perfect storm of opportunity unlike anything we have ever seen, or likely ever will see again!

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They survive under the guise of selling opportunity.  The "selling of product" is driven by the "Network Marketing Structure".  In order to profit from your downline you must purchase a certain amount of product.

Some don't only survive... there are elite companies like ours that THRIVE!. What drives sales is as variable as there are consumers. But when you can find a need, and meet that need, that's opportunity. When you can find a problem, ...and solve that problem, ...that's opportunity. Do you have a problem with opportunity? I should hope not, ...especially living as you do in "The Land of Opportunity". We have as broad an appeal as one could ever hope to find, ...because we have something for EVERYBODY!!! Everybody uses fuel in order to get from point A to point B. Everybody want to breathe cleaner air. Everybody wants to do what they can to thwart global climate change, ...and everybody wants to increase their income... whether it is to pay for that $70 tank of fuel, ...or cover the costs of expensive health insurance coverage for their family (if they can get it) ...etc.  In our case, what is driving sales is our product and what it does for consumers, distributors, the environment, and the impact on people's lives. It meets so many needs and solves so many problems simultaneously on a GLOBAL scale. I don't know what your needs are, ...only you can determine that. You might not care about the price of gas, cause you ride a bike, or you have a company car and your employer pays for your fuel. {shrug} ...so reduced fuel expenses may not be your most pressing concern, ...but that being the case, ...you'd have to be completely blind not to realize that for people ALL OVER THE WORLD, fuel, it's availability, and it's rising costs, ARE a concern... A HUGE CONCERN! Maybe you're not looking to save money yourself, ...maybe you're just looking to MAKE money by helping other people to solve their problems with the high price of fuel. I don't know. I do know there is opportunity here, and any company that does not provide real  opportunities and benefits to it's customers is one that is not going to survive. I'll tell you straight up... what appeals to me more is the income potential available from the business more so than the $180 - $200 I save in fuel for every $20 I spend on the product.

This requirement to achieve certain quantifiable benchmarks is a product of legislation, not networking. If there was no requirement to move product, what would you have... just a bunch of people shovelling money about without a valid product or service that people c/would buy as a standalone product or service without any opportunity attached. Who in their right mind is going to do that? That's a pyramid, and that is illegal. By the way, there is no requirement to purchase product. Product purchases are optional. There does however need to be a benchmark set in terms of what your business will achieve in sales per month, ...and these sales requirements can be met with retail sales to end line users, ...backoffice orders, or through a monthly autoship to ensure consistent qualification, and replenishment of personal use inventory, or enough to share with others. Not such a bad thing when you think about it. If I don't purchase that $20 product, it's going to cost me an additional $180 - $200 in fuel costs, just to travel the same distance. That's a pretty powerful enough incentive on it's own, to re-purchase, and to ensure I never run out of the product, ...and that's without even looking at the income potential from the product.

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All advertising is at it's end "Word of Mouth".  Remember the 3 Budweiser lizards?  The quickest most effective way to get "WOM" for a product is television advertising.  They can't advertise on television because the product benefits aren't measurable and they would have to say that in a disclaimer on the commercial and thus no-one would buy it.   Otherwise, prudence at the very minimum, would dictate you put it on TV because you would create the largest buss for a product like that IF in fact it truly worked.

It pure logic, Jag, not assumption. 


What I'm saying is that however logical your conclusions may seem to be to you, they are flat out incorrect, because you are working within the wrong paradigmn. you're a straight retail guy. I understand that, however there is a certain paradigmn or set of rules & assumptions you are making that flat out don't apply. The environment you may want to create for retail is not one you would want for networking, and vice versa.

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You are trolling for recruits because of it really did work people would be kicking the door down to get it from you.

Funny you mention that. There's a guy I know out in Quebec. just a couple weeks ago he shared this with someone who used the product, and didn't see any results on his 1st tank. He came back and said this stuff is bogus it doesn't work. my friend said just keep using it. One afternoon he's in his office with people, and he hears someone banging on his door, ...and I mean BANGING! He normally won't answer the door or his phone  when he's got someone in his office, but this banging was so loud and disruptive that he had to excuse himself. He got up and said I think someone is breaking into my house I have to check this out. He gets to the door, opens it, and it's the guy who previously said it was all crap. The guy was standing there all flushed, and breathless, and the only thing he said was: "IT WORKS!" Some do the cyberequivalent, skyping me from Europe at 4:30 in the morning to tell me it works! Dah! I already know that. {lol} You ask them "Do you know it's 4:30 in the morning here? and they're like "Ya, ...but I want to enroll NOW! It's gotten to the point where I've left myself constantly on 'AWAY' so I can choose what calls to take and which can go into voicemail. You have no idea what's going on here. People won't know if it works until they actually use it and see for themselves. When someone uses it, and can turn around and tell someone they know eyeball to eyeball "Hey, I've used it myself, ...and I can tell you it WORKS! This is real! When companies are seeing their fuel consumption going down, on regular runs that they done for years, they take notice. When you're regularly burning between 530 - 580 litres of fuel on a regular run you've been doing for years, ...it doesn't matter what the price of fuel is, ...that's how many litres of fuel your trucks are going to burn to haul the same load to wherever it's going, ...and all of a sudden, your records start showing that those same trucks are now completing the same run, yet consuming as much as 70 litres LESS fuel per trip, ...same identical trip  :o  You notice that!

If that's a placebo, ...well then that's the kind of placebo you want, ...one that impacts your checkbook!

It gets even better, when you realize what's coming down the pike. When you understand that governments are going to be looking to fund underfunded areas on the backs of the transportation industry. Pulling random rigs off the roads... flipping their gas pedals back to rev the engines to see how much smoke comes out the stacks. If your rig smokes, you're paying a hefty fine. That's a problem when you're barely keeping your trucks on the road as it is. What can you do? There is a world of opportunities here to meet the needs of so many. This is mass market appeal on a global scale, ...just depends on what it is you want out of it.

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You don't think every trucking company and consumer isn't looking for way out of this gas crunch?   They all are.

Oh OzmO, ...I don't think, ...I KNOW!, ...believe me I know. That's why I'm in this business! Mark Twain once said "The secret to getting rich is to find out where everybody is going, ...and get their FIRST." One of my mentors Tim Sales puts it more succinctly, ...Tim says "If you can predict, what a billion people are going to want to buy, ...you can create fortunes"  You see, we have an inexpensive product that everybody wants, and everybody needs. A product that going to help you do your part by reducing the amount of pollution you're putting into the air, it's gonna improve the performance of your vehicle, it's gonna save you money on fuel, ...there's an opportunity to make some money as well. A product that feeds quite a number of birds with one worm, and the most incredible timing story in the history of network marketing. Ya, ...everybody is going to hear about it... eventually... they just haven't heard about it yet, ...and that's OK. They will. It's simply a matter of when they do hear about it. Our products basically do 2 things, ...they identify a few needs in the marketplace, ...and they meet those needs. But don't take my word for it... prove it to yourself.   :)

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If what you were selling truly worked you'd have millions of testimonies by now and the product would have gained national attention in the US.


{LOL} In the USA where some of y'all are soooo spoiled? ??? Where you think $3/gallon gasoline is expensive?  ::)
where some are so jaded and skeptical, they can't even be bothered to click a link on a website?  ::)



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The only attention it has gained is the AG in Texas.

There you go again. The AG in Texas was not concerned with us at all. They were concerned with a "johnny come lately" trying to pawn off toxic mothballs and detergent to an unsuspecting public. They were concerned about them making untested and unproven claims, ...and even more despicable... using religion to sell their phony stuff. The Texas AG was not concerned about us in the least. We ran into a challenge about 90 days after we started doing business. The demand for our product was so strong, we couldn't manufacture it fast enough to meet the demand, ...that's when the cons came out of the woodwork, and tried to duplicate our success with their toxic placebos.

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Ministry of defense in Ukraine?  Com-on, a wooden nickel could corrupt anyone in that country.  As for Norman.......He's an also ran looking to pad his decedents inheritence.

 :o    :-\   and with this cynical attitude, you wonder why it hasn't become a household word in USA so far,
...where your pampered posteriors have had the blessings of some of the lowest fuel prices in the world (with the exception of Iran where they just started rioting over a recent 25% increase that put their fuel prices up to an astronomical 40 cents per gallon)  :P

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But I must say you've stood by your product long enough to peak my curiosity some what.  How much is it?   ;D

{LOL} OzmO, ...please visit through the video tour of this website. Don't worry about re-registering for the tour, you're already registered. Just put your eMail addy in the box on the lower right and it will let you in.

ps - And please check your eMail: date: June 12th, Subject: Just look at what we've accomplished so far.  8)
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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #53 on: July 02, 2007, 03:48:57 PM »
Jag, I'll read every word later tonight.  But don't you think America in the last 2 years is in it's ripest position for something like this and NO ONE outside of NM has taken advantage of it and even then NM has not even moderately made it's mark?

And why can't you just quote me a price for a bottle of it?   Can it not b e sold without NM strings attached?  Com on Jag.  That in itself supports my accusations.

Isn't the product good enough that it could stand giving out FREE SAMPLES?

It's simple.  I watch how much i get from a full tank of gas every time i fill up.  If i put the "pill" in my tank I'll know right away if it's all BS or not.

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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #54 on: July 02, 2007, 03:58:53 PM »
I'm gonna try some out of curiosity, Prob is even seeing improvement on a 10mpg vehicle that I don't drive all that much..
Certain chem mixes, have beneficial results to, some engines, set up certain ways...
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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #55 on: July 02, 2007, 04:04:06 PM »
As i read on......

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I disagree about the positive media attention part. You know the media. If it bleeds, ...it leads.
...and if it's not bleeding, ...they'll stab it to make sure they've got blood for the 6 o'clock news.

As for investors, ...you don't know who Randy & Wendy are do you?
They locked this up before anyone else could get a shot at it.

Might be true, but if the product worked, investment capital would rush in providing the money for advertisement and they would be ABLE to make PUBLIC CLAIMS on TV that it worked.   

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Of course not. They need the right mgmt behind them, impeccable timing, field leadership, duplicateability.
The thing is, there is more to a network mtkg company than merely it's products. Too often companies jump to network mkt their products because they want the exponential growth it produces, without even taking into consideration whether or not their product is even appropriate for the network mktg arena. Just because they fail, does not make network mktg bad, ...it simply means it was the wrong business model to apply to that particular product or service.

Best example I can give you of 2 similar products designed to do the same thing. One would flop in a network mktg arena, while the other one would thrive. Viagra. There's a product that would flop in networking. Why? Because one guy will never admit to another that he was experiencing challenges in that area. viagra needs to be advertised on TV, radio, internet etc., etc., Potential users have to be told to "Ask their doctor..." ...and even then, some men would never talk to their doctor, or fill a prescription at their local pharmacy. They'd prefer to buy it off the internet, have it delivered anonymously in a plain brown paper wrapper.

Women on the other hand would never walk into a store looking for a Viagra type product for women. They'd be more prone to talk with a girlfriend rather than some stranger. A network mktg distribution channel is perfect for a product like that. put it on a store shelf though, and she'd avoid it like the plague.  Same product... 2 different target markets requiring 2 different marketing strategies.

And this is of course assuming you have the right mgmt team at your helm. Cause it takes much more than just a great product. you can have the best product since sliced bread, but if you don't have the right team from a corporate standpoint, you're not going to make it, ...as so many others have discovered. Typically most network mktg companies are run by salespeople, former networkers who are good at sales, but they know nothing about managing a business. Or worse, ...you could have a corporate type who has never been out in the field and therefore does not have a good understanding of what is required on the corporate end, to enable success. There are so many factors that go into play, ...another is timing. You could have the right product, at the wrong time, ...and still flop. This product could never have succeeded in the consumer market place 50 years ago. People didn't care about saving money. The price of fuel wasn't such that it could justify let alone compell consumers to want the savings. today, the timing is perfect, ...because now it costs people more money to NOT use it, than it does to use. In addition, 50 years ago, we didn't understand what smog was, ...or what global climate change was. Now we do. We hadn't reached peak oil with a global awareness of the necessity to do what we can to thwart climate change, and the imperative to consume less fuel. Now we have, ...and this awareness, and this concern is not a local phenomenon, ...this is happening on a GLOBAL scale! There are factors that are converging together to create the perfect storm of opportunity unlike anything we have ever seen, or likely ever will see again!

America is full of marketing geniuses.  That's part of the reason of our strong economy over the years.  Even if it's a borderline good product we can make a profit from by selling in stores.  We aren't talking about a "personal" product like something for erectile disfuction.  We are talking about saving money on gas.  No-brainer.......if it really worked.

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What I'm saying is that however logical your conclusions may seem to be to you, they are flat out incorrect, because you are working within the wrong paradigmn. you're a straight retail guy. I understand that, however there is a certain paradigmn or set of rules & assumptions you are making that flat out don't apply. The environment you may want to create for retail is not one you would want for networking, and vice versa.

I'm not in the wrong paradigm.  It's just plain common sense.  I'm in sales.  Retail isn't sales, it's order taking.   ;)

When it comes down to it,  it's ALL sales one way or another.  If you had a real product to sell, 1 or 2 distributors would snatch it up and distribute it to stores.

Or is it that the product is over priced?

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Funny you mention that. There's a guy I know out in Quebec. just a couple weeks ago he shared this with someone who used the product, and didn't see any results on his 1st tank. He came back and said this stuff is bogus it doesn't work. my friend said just keep using it. One afternoon he's in his office with people, and he hears someone banging on his door, ...and I mean BANGING! He normally won't answer the door or his phone  when he's got someone in his office, but this banging was so loud and disruptive that he had to excuse himself. He got up and said I think someone is breaking into my house I have to check this out. He gets to the door, opens it, and it's the guy who previously said it was all crap. The guy was standing there all flushed, and breathless, and the only thing he said was: "IT WORKS!" Some do the cyberequivalent, skyping me from Europe at 4:30 in the morning to tell me it works! Dah! I already know that. {lol} You ask them "Do you know it's 4:30 in the morning here? and they're like "Ya, ...but I want to enroll NOW! It's gotten to the point where I've left myself constantly on 'AWAY' so I can choose what calls to take and which can go into voicemail. You have no idea what's going on here. People won't know if it works until they actually use it and see for themselves. When someone uses it, and can turn around and tell someone they know eyeball to eyeball "Hey, I've used it myself, ...and I can tell you it WORKS! This is real! When companies are seeing their fuel consumption going down, on regular runs that they done for years, they take notice. When you're regularly burning between 530 - 580 litres of fuel on a regular run you've been doing for years, ...it doesn't matter what the price of fuel is, ...that's how many litres of fuel your trucks are going to burn to haul the same load to wherever it's going, ...and all of a sudden, your records start showing that those same trucks are now completing the same run, yet consuming as much as 70 litres LESS fuel per trip, ...same identical trip  Shocked  You notice that!

Well when and if you send me a bottle of it, I'll see for myself i guess.





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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2007, 04:09:45 PM »
Just so that I can post here for the next 4 years about how she destroys the country.   Can't wait to hear the stories of the presidents husband getting BJ's in the white house again from fat chicks.

newsflash..the country is already destroyed...there is a lag before we'll actually see it..

just like there is a lag between when ya train a muscle and before it grows.. ;)



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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #57 on: July 02, 2007, 04:14:06 PM »
You guys should vote for a good honest democrat like Kucinich or Gravel but regardless, ANY DEMOCRAT is BETTER then a Republican ALWAYS!

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« Reply #58 on: July 02, 2007, 06:29:45 PM »
Jag, I'll read every word later tonight.  But don't you think America in the last 2 years is in it's ripest position for something like this and NO ONE outside of NM has taken advantage of it and even then NM has not even moderately made it's mark?

 :o  :o  :o  :o  :o

Where on earth are you coming up with these assumptions.

First of all, saying that NO ONE outside of NM has taken advantage of it is an assumption.

I can name a huge household name that most everyone reading this board has shopped in. The owner was a guy named Sam They might have even make a TV show named after his kin in the 70's  :P.

They are not in network marketing, ...but they use our product in the liquid version. They have alot of trucks on the road delivering merchandise for their stores. They use the product, but they would NEVER get access to it to put in their stores though, ...because if they did that, ...that would spell the end of the opportunity for ind distributors like us.

What about the US military. they use the product, there are gov'ts around the world, companies around the world, ordinary product users around the world . I spoke to a new distributor last night that had been a product user for over a year, when the distributor who he was buying from turned around and said "You'd be stupid for not selling this yourself". And the guy realized how much more money he could have been saving by getting his own product at wholesale, ...coupled with the fact that he had been enthusiastically been recommended it to so many people over th e past year, who themselves are happy with it, he would have had a thriving business developing over the past year, and all he had to do was continue to use a product that was saving him more money than he was paying for the product. That's a bit of no brainer.

And to say we haven't made a mark is just not accurate. We have broken all records in this industry. Never before in the history of network mktg has a company opened up and accomplished in 18 months, what we have. I think we're over 200,000 distributor worldwide, with physical on the ground satellite offices in London UK, Norway, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Mexico, Canada, Korea, Australia. We're opening an office in Brazil. I lost my favourite cistomer service rep to the Brazil office which will be opening up next month. Another in Thailand, We currently have offices in Taichun taiwan, and will need to open another in Taipei. We have offices in Tokyo Japan, and will need to open another in Osaka. All this in 18 month, with an opportunity to expand seamlessly into an unprecedented 192 countries around the world. We have done things in our first 6 months, that giants in this industry couldn't even accomplish in 6 years.

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And why can't you just quote me a price for a bottle of it?   Can it not b e sold without NM strings attached?  Com on Jag.  That in itself supports my accusations.

tsk, tsk, tsk. Someone has not been reading what I have written or what I have sent to them

A price for a bottle of what? We have quite a few products that come in bottles, I don't know what you're refering to.
Maybe you should explore through the pages of this website to view the various products to see what is there available for your benefit. :P

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Isn't the product good enough that it could stand giving out FREE SAMPLES?

Absolutely, ...but I won't do it. I've lost thousands of dollars in income from giving free product samples to people. When someone is given something for free, ...they don't take it seriously. They don't bother to use it properly or follow the instructions carefully, or to even track their mileage as they should, and as such they may or may not see the results. then I'm out the product, ...but worse... I'm out the bonuses I would make for having sold the product. Which adds up to considerably more than the cost of the product itself. If you went through the video tour you'd understand.  However, when someone actually plunks their money down, ...they take it seriously, and follow the protocols properly. they keep track of their mileage properly to determine for themselves if they ARE infact getting their money's worth. Plus if they decide they're not happy with the product, they can simply return it and their money is refunded. no hassles.

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It's simple.  I watch how much i get from a full tank of gas every time i fill up.  If i put the "pill" in my tank I'll know right away if it's all BS or not.

Great, then visit the link I gave you to peruse through the site and pick out what you want to experience.  :)
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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2007, 06:58:21 PM »
all this and you can't even give me a simple quote? 

1 bottle equals $_______

Then show me were i can get some?


Jag, you are disappointing me.

Can you answer a direct question or are you gonna keep side stepping me?

what are you hiding?

I simply want to buy the f-ing product, yet you keep on trying to put me through your opportunity pitch.

so are you gonna tell how much a bottle is and provide me a way to buy one with out sending me to web site? 

Or is this company absent of personal contact in selling it?

P.S. that's a poor excuse about giving  free samples. If it really worked you'd have return customers. I guess all your side stepping is a cover for a placebo product.   Here i am, I'm more than willing to send you money to buy it and you can't even give me a direct answer.  Are you a distributor for this product or not?

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« Reply #60 on: July 03, 2007, 01:17:38 AM »
all this and you can't even give me a simple quote? 

1 bottle equals $_______

Text is such a crappy communication medium. I suggested you go to the website so you can choose what it is that YOU want, that is going to suit YOUR needs. I'm not sure what that is, and I'm not going to make an assumption. I don't know what kind of a vehicle you will be putting the product in, or how big a fuel tank it has. That makes a big difference in what you'd need. By refering you to the site, you are best able to read about the different products, a description or even a video about how the product works, and determine which one would suit your purpose. The product comes in both a liquid and tablet form. The liquid is in a bottle, but only the tablets for the big rigs are in a bottle. The tablets for the passenger vehicles do not come in a bottle, they come in a blister pack similar to Dentyne gum. I don't want to make assumptions for you or push a product on you without knowing what it is you need, and only YOU can determine that after seeing whats available. Or perhaps if you told me what kind of a vehicle you would be putting it in, gasoline, or diesel, and the size of the fuel tank etc., I could suggest what I believe would meet your needs.

Here is the price list of the various MPG products:

1 bottle of MPG-Boost equals $ 29.95 (liquid version)
1 bottle of MPG-EXTreme equals 39.95 (metal conditioner / oil additive)
1 bottle of SulfRx equals $35.95 (diesel lubricant)
1 bottle of 10 (6 gram) MPG-MEGA-Caps equals $109.95 (the trucker's caplet) (each tablet treats 120-150 gallons)
1 blister pack of 10 (½ gram) MPG-Caps equals $20.95 (suitable for most passenger vehicles)
1 drum of 55 gallons equals ??? (variable depending on how many) (suitable for holding tanks, fleets etc)

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Then show me were i can get some?

You can get some by clicking here on my website ==> www.jme.mpgproduct.com

That site is my product site. It focusses on explaining & describing the product(s), allowing you to decide which product or products would best fit your needs. It has an online shopping cart so you can make your purchases 24/7 You can use Visa, Mastercard, Amex, Diners Club, or even an online check if you're in the USA.
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Jag, you are disappointing me.

Can you answer a direct question or are you gonna keep side stepping me?

what are you hiding?

nothing. I'm not hiding anything

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I simply want to buy the f-ing product, yet you keep on trying to put me through your opportunity pitch.

so are you gonna tell how much a bottle is and provide me a way to buy one with out sending me to web site?

You can buy the product off the website. I'm sorry that you don't want to click on it, but that is the easiest way to do it. I supplied the link in an earlier post, ...but I guess you might have missed it. This site that I've referred above is all about the product itself, not about the business. you can view a brief video clip that explains how it works if you want, audios on how to use it, etc., but on the opening page you will see a flash image that says 'BUY NOW'. Just click on the 'BUY NOW' tab and you will arrive at my retail shopping cart. It's the fastest, quickest way to get the product to you, and ensures you are covered both by the moneyback guarantee as well as the insurance policy 

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Or is this company absent of personal contact in selling it?

P.S. that's a poor excuse about giving  free samples. If it really worked you'd have return customers. I guess all your side stepping is a cover for a placebo product.   Here i am, I'm more than willing to send you money to buy it and you can't even give me a direct answer.  Are you a distributor for this product or not?

OzmO,
The first time you saw the new HaagenDazs caramel ice cream in your neighbourhood Ralphs and wanted to try it,
...did you get to the checkout, and tell the cashier, "Ring up the eggs, the bread, the oranges etc., ...but this tub of ice cream, ...don't charge me for that because I just want to try it"  Did you do that? No you didn't. You purchased the ice cream, ...and if you didn't like it, you simply chose not to purchase it again. I'm doing one better. If it doesn't get you 7 - 14% savings, or if you're not happy with it, send it back within 30 days for a full refund.

Yes, I am a distributor for these products. I guess text is a poor medium for communication.
That's probably why I prefer a real/time voice conversation
Maybe we should take this to skype. Skype me and I'll walk you through how to make an online purchase.  :)
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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #61 on: July 06, 2007, 06:58:42 PM »
As i read on......

Might be true, but if the product worked, investment capital would rush in providing the money for advertisement and they would be ABLE to make PUBLIC CLAIMS on TV that it worked.

And what makes you think we can't make public claims on TV that it works?  :P
We are the only company that's been able to substantiate results on an EPA Dynomometer.

Ozmo, ...I know what part of the country you live in... why not be infront of your TV set,
...or perhaps set your TIVO on Sun July 9th, at 2am to KPIX.
It's a CBS affiliate. You just might see a few of my friends, colleagues, & business partners  ;)
   
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America is full of marketing geniuses.  That's part of the reason of our strong economy over the years.  Even if it's a borderline good product we can make a profit from by selling in stores.  We aren't talking about a "personal" product like something for erectile disfuction.  We are talking about saving money on gas.  No-brainer.......if it really worked.

You'd think it was a no-brainer wouldn't you, ...the problem is so many people with no-brains, are shouting down those of us with brains. They make claims and comments about a product they've never tried, and assume doesn't work. They point to products that don't work, ...and assume the same assessment applies to everyone. I mean, ...just because my golf game is crap, doesn't mean Tiger Woods' golf game sucks too. Could you imagine where the Chicago Bulls would have been, if they had assumed Michael Jordan, Dennis Rodman, Scotty Pippen, John Salley, and Alvin Robinson, all played basketball like me?   :o

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I'm not in the wrong paradigm.  It's just plain common sense.  I'm in sales.  Retail isn't sales, it's order taking.   ;)

 :-[ {blush} ooops... I stand corrected. You're right. retail isn't sales at all, and very much IS order taking.
I know that, ...what I don't know is why I said something so stupid. I think what I meant to say was you're more of a d2d guy, ...but even that I don't think is anywhere near to an accurate descriptor.  :-\ 
Let's just leave that point alone.  :)

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When it comes down to it,  it's ALL sales one way or another.  If you had a real product to sell, 1 or 2 distributors would snatch it up and distribute it to stores.

That however would defeat the purpose of this venture. Where is the opportunity in that? How many people have $60K to invest in inventory to be left on consignment? I'm sure there are many, ...but for the majority of folks, where is the opportunity in that? The opportunity to save on fuel is all well and good, ...but truth be told, working from home, I consume so little fuel... relatively speaking, that I am far more excited about all the people whose lives I can impact, both directly, and indirectly for the better, and for the good I know I help to do with the environment. I am far more excited about the money I will make, by helping a company that uses millions upon millions of litres of fuel a year to save on their fuel bills, ... and that's just ONE company  ;) There's a fleet maintenance mgr. I personally sponsored that is working on an account right now. When the order comes in, the commission on that will amount to more than I could possibly spend on fuel in the next 50 years. That's just one account! If I were in your position... I'd use it for myself, and I'd do it ASAP, ...so you could be assured of it's efficacy... sooner, rather than later. The sooner you come to realize it works, ...the sooner you'll know what to do with it, ...if anything. To quote a guest listener on our interactive call last Tuesday "This sounds too good not to try it" <-- click me (mp3 recording)

I'm serious OzmO. You were one of the very first people I contacted about this, (...once we came out of backorder status). If I showed you the inside of my back office, and what has occurred below where I would have placed you had you joined then, ...you would have a heart attack. I've gotten to the point now, where I don't tell people anymore, ...too many get a look in their eyes that's almost suicidal. You think I'm kidding, ...you haven't seen the looks on their faces when they realize this thing is real, and the products do infact work.

Good things come to those who wait, ...but only that which is left behind by those of us who didn't. Carpé Diem!

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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #62 on: July 06, 2007, 11:52:42 PM »
I hope you guys had a good night. I just banged a 19 year old german Au Pair who is currently passed outin my bed.   It was great.  Adios
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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #63 on: July 07, 2007, 07:15:52 AM »
I hope you guys had a good night. I just banged a 19 year old german Au Pair who is currently passed outin my bed.   It was great.  Adios

Wake 'er up and nail 'er AGAIN!! Whatz wrong with you?

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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #64 on: July 07, 2007, 10:02:25 AM »
Just so that I can post here for the next 4 years about how she destroys the country.   Can't wait to hear the stories of the presidents husband getting BJ's in the white house again from fat chicks.

don't you say that rooster...don't you ever say that.  if she is elected you will soon be sharing your profits at your gym with a bunch "unemployed" crack heads...  because they are too fucking lazy to work like the rest of us...

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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #65 on: July 07, 2007, 10:38:01 AM »
don't you say that rooster...don't you ever say that.  if she is elected you will soon be sharing your profits at your gym with a bunch "unemployed" crack heads...  because they are too fucking lazy to work like the rest of us...

I hope to Hell she dont. But there's a serious backlash of hate built up against W.
Plenty of Conservatives Hate him w/ good reason.

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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #66 on: July 07, 2007, 12:57:56 PM »
I hope to Hell she dont. But there's a serious backlash of hate built up against W.
Plenty of Conservatives Hate him w/ good reason.

Hillary should change her campaign slogan to "It is OK for your husband to get his dick sucked by an intern, as long as he promises NEVER to do it again!"

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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #67 on: July 07, 2007, 01:31:25 PM »
SERIOUSLY... Anybody have a good idea for Prez? ??? ::)
Frankly, Schwartzenager couldnt do more harm than we got now. I know we'd need a const ammendment.
But I think he'd have respect from them Muslims.

Donnald Trump? Who the Hell else.. No bad ideas here... Lets hear it.

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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #68 on: July 08, 2007, 12:43:00 AM »
SERIOUSLY... Anybody have a good idea for Prez? ??? ::)
Frankly, Schwartzenager couldnt do more harm than we got now. I know we'd need a const ammendment.
But I think he'd have respect from them Muslims.

Donnald Trump? Who the Hell else.. No bad ideas here... Lets hear it.

Here is who I'd like to see run:

Republican: Colin Powell

Democrat:  George Mitchell

Independent:  Steve Forbes

I like Arnold too. 

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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #69 on: July 08, 2007, 08:21:07 AM »
Here is who I'd like to see run:

Republican: Colin Powell

Democrat:  George Mitchell

Independent:  Steve Forbes

I like Arnold too. 

I like Powell in that, he wouldnt waste Blood like its a little  spill't  Oil on a Texas field.
 
But, Im afraid he may be too much a negotiator. These Islamic fanatics need be played hard ball with.
 What Bush did is like a Meat Head running into a Bloods Crack house to get his wallet back.

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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #70 on: July 22, 2007, 10:35:21 AM »
They can't advertise on television because the product benefits aren't measurable and they would have to say that in a disclaimer on the commercial and thus no-one would buy it. (that kind of thing only works with weight loss because overweight people are always looking for way to loss it without doing the work)  Otherwise, prudence at the very minimum, would dictate you put it on TV because you would create the largest buzz for a product like that IF in fact it truly worked.

Hope you had your TV set on this morning OzmO

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You don't think every trucking company and consumer isn't looking for way out of this gas crunch?   They all are.  If what you were selling truly worked you'd have millions of testimonies by now and the product would have gained national attention in the US.

Previously our focus has been elsewhere in the world where fuel prices range between $5 - $10 per gallon.
Now that fuel prices are again on the rise in the US, coupled with upcoming legislation,
it just makes good sense to re-focus on the US



CNBC is in all 50 states my friend. I would say all 50 states can be considered 'national attention'  8)

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But I must say you've stood by your product long enough to peak my curiosity some what.  How much is it?   ;D

We have a variety of products that are different prices.
You can discover them here at: www.jme.mpgproduct.com <--click me

If you drive a diesel, I recommend the 'Boost'. If your vehicle is gasoline, the 'MPG-Caps' will be sufficient.
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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #71 on: July 24, 2007, 02:57:52 AM »

true, bush will be considered the greatest president in u.s. history.

correct rooster?


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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #72 on: July 25, 2007, 10:46:49 AM »


almost as funny as you saying that snake oil you peddle fucking works, huh? ;D

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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #73 on: July 26, 2007, 12:57:35 AM »
almost as funny as you saying that snake oil you peddle fucking works, huh? ;D

There's an old saying by confucius.

"No investigation, ...No right to speak" --Confucius

I invite  you to drive for a few tankfulls of fuel, get your baseline mileage accurately established,
then use the FFi-MPG-Caps, as instructed, ...then monitor your mileage closely.

Then tell me if it's snake oil, ...or if it's real. Until you do that, your comments are based on ignorance,
and mount to nothing more than merely malicious libel.

Bottom line is a product would not do over $150 million in sales in less than 20 months if it was snake oil.
For you to think otherwise... well, I'll be polite and not say it.  ;)
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Re: I am voting for Hillary Clinton
« Reply #74 on: July 26, 2007, 10:13:26 AM »
There's an old saying by confucius.

"No investigation, ...No right to speak" --Confucius

I invite  you to drive for a few tankfulls of fuel, get your baseline mileage accurately established,
then use the FFi-MPG-Caps, as instructed, ...then monitor your mileage closely.

Then tell me if it's snake oil, ...or if it's real. Until you do that, your comments are based on ignorance,
and mount to nothing more than merely malicious libel.

Bottom line is a product would not do over $150 million in sales in less than 20 months if it was snake oil.
For you to think otherwise... well, I'll be polite and not say it.  ;)

Ok, PM some info on the product where I am do some research...I am always looking to save money!  Plus I bought my wife one of the new Mazada CX-7s and we have been pretty underwelmed with its fuel efficiancy.  Plus we have to put premium in it cause it has a turbo.  seriously, PM me!