Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?

[biceps]

The dumber they are the bigger they get.

[DK II]

The dumber they are the bigger they get.

I think you meant the dumber they get the bigger they get the dumber they get the bigger they get.  It's a vicious circle. 

[biceps]

unfortunately abuse of androgenic makes muscle growth and atrophied the brain.

[BEAST 8692]

unfortunately abuse of androgenic makes muscle growth and atrophied the brain.

...and causes the user to type with shocking grammar.

[JuicedKangaroo]

Bumping because thread is a great laugh... Milos vs GH15

[20inch calves]

I know that 6g a week and 100 iu insulin a day isnt unheard of as a pro

[Rambone]

What’s a “cycle”?  

[JuicedKangaroo]

I know that 6g a week and 100 iu insulin a day isnt unheard of as a pro

6 grams/week of net anabolics, not just test base - right?? 

[Coach is Back!]

Milos, GH15 posted this cycle claiming it was one of the top IFBB Pro's cycle

no offence to him but IMO, it is complete bullshit and I have a hard time believing someone use even 1/2 of that

what's your opinion ?

ok
i got dozens of members here asking me for an example for pro bodybuilder cycles,,as i said many times before in general,,we do not get completely off drugs we only reduce the number of products/doses etc,,

what i will do here is give you a typical top pro routine,,THIS SHOULD NOT BE IMMITATED! THIS IS FOR BODYBUILDERS THAT HAVE BEEN THROUGH ALL STAGES OF HORMONE USE,,THIS IS NOT FOR BEGGINERS NOR IS IT FOR THE RECREATIONAL USER!  i did not write the following but it is best describe a high level pro bodybuilder routine and i confirm this post

again be careful and dont think that by doing the same you will get same results,,you need the genetic response to be there in the first place! you need to be able to compete locally and do well with a lot less hormones

enjoy



PRE-CONTEST:

10-7 WEEKS OUT

250 mg sustanon per day

250 mg testopan (enanthate) per day

1000 Deca Durabolin

Humatrope Growth Hormone, 6 units per, 6 times a day!! (Five times a week)

Long-Acting Insulin 100 units in the morning

Fast Acting insulin 25 units per meal (he is now to scared to eat without insulin)

Oxymethelone (whatever type he can get) 5x50mg tabs

300 mcg T3 per day

200-mcg clen (taken five days on 2 days off)

Nubain 5 ml a day, 3 times a week (supposedly to reduce the addictiveness)

Glucophage, taken before workouts, 4,000mg

He does do IGF-1 but he limits it to 4 week cycles as he believes that most of the research on this shows limited length of time of effectiveness. He will then follow this up with a 4-week break

80 mg fluxoetine (prozac) to help with the chemical imbalances and to assist him to keep stress from the drugs down

180 mg Ephedrine Hydrochloride, before workouts

6-2 WEEKS OUT:

4,000 mg Testosterone Propionate

2 vials of Masteron

2 vials of Parabolan

10 tabs of halotestin per day, before training

DNP for a week in weeks 6,4 and 2

Clenbuterol on alternating weeks at 400mcg per day

T3 400mcg per day

Nubain as above

Insulin as above

Growth Hormone 6 units 6 times per day

IGF-1 for the four weeks to week 2 at 100 mcg per day.

100mg of fluxoetine (prozac)

Ephedrine as above

I estimate the mg’s at somewhere around 6,500 to 7,000 mgs a week

WEEKS 2 AND FIRST HALF OF WEEK 1:

Same as above except the Nubain is dropped, as it is unnecessary, as well as the IGF-1 is dropped.

Also one extra ampoule of Parabolan and Masteron per day.

LAST THREE DAYS:

Uses neoton 500, creatine phosphate (its an injectable I believe) in his carb deplete/load, he was unspecific on dosages

Two days out he uses Lasix (still a favorite) 80 mg four times a day, for two days.

The newest thing out is a plasma expander, by the name of

Groenaut, apparently from Europe, this works much in the same way as Glycerol in that it drams water out from underneath the skin and into the muscle and bloodstream leaving a very dry full look if it is done correctly, of course as with high stakes bodybuilding there is that ever apparent degree of risk, the risk here is mixing a diuretic which dumps the water from the system and a drug that tries to pull the water in, if the effect is too great, the least that could happen is that you don’t fill out and you look flat, dry but flat, the worst well the drug tends to favor skeletal muscle over smooth cardiac muscle, hence you are then in shit street as your heart dehydrates, and cardiac arrest kicks in, (not the same thing as Momo, though).

There are a lot of other drugs that are used such as amphetamines to help blunt the appetite and to give him energy as he gets closer to a show, as his body fat drops down to below 5 percent, he tends to feel very ill and tired, he also uses a lot of immuno stimulating supplements so he doesn’t get sick, of course as he is wired from the amphetamines he has to use xanax, halicon and valium (rotated to reduce reliance on a certain drug supposedly).

On show day the use of insulin before going on stage to get the last bit of fullness and bring out his vascularity, (up close this guy has veins that an octopus would envy. Shooting 10 units I.V before going on but after any pumping up he does

Old bumped thread so let start again here...with this post.

It’s complete bullshit. Hope that helped

[Coach is Back!]

Whoever would take this seriously also believes in Santa...

I will cross the line and say little more than I should - but most of the SMART PROS...and there ARE MANY take:

500 - 1000 mg of TEST/week
+
250 - 1000mg of OTHER ANABOLICS along with it....with antiestrogen of choice.

Not all take GH and INSULIN...and if they do it is 2-6 IU of GH/day + 5-40 IU of insulin/day

This is more like it

[joswift]

This is more like it

agreed, any more than that and you are just wasting your money and adding a lot of potential bad sides.

[tatoo]

This is more like it

I ran into a friend of mine, ex bodybuilder, 3rd at nationals in heavyweight class in early 2000's... offseason stack used to be 1g test, 600mg deca, 400mg eq every week, 50/50 mix of dbol/drol everyday, 20iu slin on training days, and 4iu hgh ed.... guy weighed 260 at 5'8 on stage.. no reason to lie at this point in his life.. contest cycle was prop, tren, winstrol.. no gh, no slin, no t3, some clen….. that list is bullshit on page one

[Rusty Trombone]

Bumping because thread is a great laugh... Milos vs GH15

Good thread thanks for the bump....Victim of steroids Luke Wood posted here....speaking from beyond the grave

[Rusty Trombone]

This is more like it

Which other anabolics?  
1 gram of "other anabolics" could mean 100mg dbol,200mg drol and 700mg tren....
Not exactly healthy or moderate.
It's bullshit to describe it that way always.

[Coach is Back!]

I ran into a friend of mine, ex bodybuilder, 3rd at nationals in heavyweight class in early 2000's... offseason stack used to be 1g test, 600mg deca, 400mg eq every week, 50/50 mix of dbol/drol everyday, 20iu slin on training days, and 4iu hgh ed.... guy weighed 260 at 5'8 on stage.. no reason to lie at this point in his life.. contest cycle was prop, tren, winstrol.. no gh, no slin, no t3, some clen….. that list is bullshit on page one

“Humatrope Growth Hormone, 6 units per, 6 times a day!! (Five times a week)

Long-Acting Insulin 100 units in the morning

Fast Acting insulin 25 units per meal (he is now to scared to eat without insulin)”

The side effects from 36IU of GH alone would be debilitating. The massive amounts food alone just to keep up with the insulin would kill you if not, damn near.

The daily-multiple shots of anabolics would be time consuming, leave enough scar tissue to limit injection sites not to mention the pain and raising the chance of infection. How do you train with this? You almost can’t which proves even more that list is bullshit

[XFACTOR]

This is more like it

Coach come on man. I’m not even into that scene but 500-1,00mgs of test for a competitive pro? Maybe guys just doing tiny shows at high school gyms. Scott Milne is a buddy of mine he wouldn’t do any less than 3gs of test alone while prepping. Even not competing he would do double what you say. The gh you presume they are taking is also low. I’m surprised you’re saying this, being in the scene. Or you don’t want to admit openly which makes sense too. Or you just don’t know.

[Coach is Back!]

Coach come on man. I’m not even into that scene but 500-1,00mgs of test for a competitive pro? Maybe guys just doing tiny shows at high school gyms. Scott Milne is a buddy of mine he wouldn’t do any less than 3gs of test alone while prepping. Even not competing he would do double what you say. The gh you presume they are taking is also low. I’m surprised you’re saying this, being in the scene. Or you don’t want to admit openly which makes sense too. Or you just don’t know.

Anything more than 1grm of test is almost a waste although some push it more thinkkng more is better and that’s just not the case.

[joswift]

Anything more than 1grm of test is almost a waste although some push it more thinkkng more is better and that’s just not the case.

QFT

If you are injecting 3gms of test and your bloods are not off the scale and your BP through the roof due to high haemoglobin then you need to change your supplier..

[illuminati]

“Humatrope Growth Hormone, 6 units per, 6 times a day!! (Five times a week)

Long-Acting Insulin 100 units in the morning

Fast Acting insulin 25 units per meal (he is now to scared to eat without insulin)”

The side effects from 36IU of GH alone would be debilitating. The massive amounts food alone just to keep up with the insulin would kill you if not, damn near.

The daily-multiple shots of anabolics would be time consuming, leave enough scar tissue to limit injection sites not to mention the pain and raising the chance of infection. How do you train with this? You almost can’t which proves even more that list is bullshit

The Problem is a lot of NumbNuts want to believe that More Is Better
And That’s THE ONLY reason someone’s Bigger Than Them.   
Now No doubt there are Many who take Huge Amounts & Not many
Are Pro Level Bodybuilders.
I know quite a few average gym rats taking stupid amounts they are neither
BIG or Good Physiques - as no doubt you & everyone else does who go to
A Gym.

How many absolutely stupid drug protocols have been posted / attributed to
Dorian using  - Knowing Dorian & Others that we’re a lot closer friends
Than myself & Who He advised / helped after he retired & their doses were
Not large or excessive by any means.

I take the attitude that many are going Believe It Is ALL DRUGS & More is Better
Just Let Them Get On With it - And when they’re Taking 10gram of Test & 10grams
Of Tren & Orals + Ancillaries a week + 40iu of GH + 400iu of Insulin a day
& are still just average Gym Rats They’ll Blame it on Not Taking Enough.

[tres_taco_combo]

these threads - roll eyes

[illuminati]

these threads - roll eyes

Why ?

Opinions & experiences Vary

[a_pupil]

gh15 was a moron, he got a whole generation mega dosing tren and hgh.

your career as a bodybuilder is determined by your first few cycles, if you don't see that amazing response to the juice then you should stick to low doses, or better yet: train clean and focus on health and real life.

[tres_taco_combo]

Why ?

Opinions & experiences Vary

many bbers lie they take "so little" to sound better due to super genetics/diet/training
many bbers lie they take a ton to sound like a badass
so many claim "natty" 
Peds often faked and not all doses are the same

message boards are a double edged sword with PED advice - 

[Coach is Back!]

many bbers lie they take "so little" to sound better due to super genetics/diet/training
many bbers lie they take a ton to sound like a badass
so many claim "natty" 
Peds often faked and not all doses are the same

message boards are a double edged sword with PED advice - 

 No doubt but the one posted on the first page isn’t even in the realm of a possibility

[XFACTOR]

No doubt but the one posted on the first page isn’t even in the realm of a possibility

You mean pro’s aren’t taking 400 mcg of t3 and 180 of effedrine a day lol. I myself do like effedrine but 32-40 and I’m more than good. T3 I have tried up to 100 and that was way too high. That stuff is weird.