Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?

[Coach is Back!]

Picking up where I left off at on like page 10 or 11. Aside from Milos, the deceased Luke Wood, illuminati and myself, it’s pretty clear very few if anyone knows what a “pro cycle” looks like and thinks it’s more than it really is.

It’s like watching the impeachment hearing. Lots of hearsay

[IRON CROSS]

Picking up where I left off at on like page 10 or 11. Aside from Milos, the deceased Luke Wood, illuminati and myself, it’s pretty clear very few if anyone knows what a “pro cycle” looks like and thinks it’s more than it really is.

It’s like watching the impeachment hearing. Lots of hearsay

 

(do U people really watch that on TV  )

[LurkerNoMore]

The people that I have seen IRL that have the best physiques are the ones that I know for a fact are doing 1cc test suspension and 1cc winstrol v every day.  They just fucking knock spots off other guys on a lot more shit than they are.  Funny thing is that none of them give a shit about competing but if they did, they would smoke their weight class.

[XFACTOR]

Picking up where I left off at on like page 10 or 11. Aside from Milos, the deceased Luke Wood, illuminati and myself, it’s pretty clear very few if anyone knows what a “pro cycle” looks like and thinks it’s more than it really is.

It’s like watching the impeachment hearing. Lots of hearsay

Coach it’s not hearsay when guys are dying. Like what more do you need, one pro on hear defending what you’re saying died from what he says isn’t true.

[Bevo]

Picking up where I left off at on like page 10 or 11. Aside from Milos, the deceased Luke Wood, illuminati and myself, it’s pretty clear very few if anyone knows what a “pro cycle” looks like and thinks it’s more than it really is.

It’s like watching the impeachment hearing. Lots of hearsay

So mindspin and onemorerep don’t have any credibility? 

No one ever said EVERYONE is taking tons of gear

[Bevo]

Coach it’s not hearsay when guys are dying. Like what more do you need, one pro on hear defending what you’re saying died from what he says isn’t true.

From kidney failure too, at an early age

Yes, it was def genetics and predisposed though.....

[Coach is Back!]

So mindspin and onemorerep don’t have any credibility? 

No one ever said EVERYONE is taking tons of gear

Didn’t see what mines been or one more rep wrote

[Bevo]

I'm sure a lot of people lie, especially ones that look like shit.  

But as I've gotten older, I'm more inclined to believe the pros who say it's not all gear.  The ones I tend to believe is the ones that say they use moderate doses.  Plenty of them have claimed on a podcast that they keep test below 1 gram, simply because they don't like it, GH only at max 6iu a day because they don't see much difference going higher and not worth the money.  I've heard a few say they like to keep test at around 750mg or below and throw in an anabolic at around 400 to 600mg.  Nothing crazy.  Now this is for the offseason so maybe they go harder precontest.

You do have to factor in genetics, diet and most importantly consistency.  Doesn't mean eat all your meals for the day. But day in and day out for years doing everything right.

Now before I get ridiculed for being naive, here is my own personal experience.  Attached is a 'before and after' pic.  The before is back around 2011, when I was reading GH15 and though gear was the answer.  I was running as per GH15 recommendation for a 'standard cycle', 700 Test Prop, 700 Tren Ace, 700 Mast Prop and I think I also had T3 in there and maybe some oral.  The other pic is from this year.  I was running 350 Test Prop, 350 Tren Ace, and 350 Mast Prop, also ran some clen at 80mcg.  This was the for 6 weeks before the pic was taken.  Prior 6 weeks to that I was doing 250 test E per week, and 400 Tren E per week.  

Now my genetics absolutely suck for bodybuilding.  And actually I'm not even a 'bodybuilder'.  I'm too tall with way to long limbs.  But I managed to make huge improvements the last couple years.  Mainly, I learned how to diet properly (down and to grow), I learned how to actually work the muscle instead of just moving the weight (believe it or not in the before pic, I was actually able to bench 365 for reps with no spotter... can't do that anymore, don't even bench anymore).

So again, I don't have a 'pro physique', I'm not genetically gifted but if I can get this kind of results with half the gear that I used before and didn't even look like I worked out, by simply doing things properly and sticking to it, imagine what someone with genetics meant for bodybuilding could achieve.

Just my thoughts.
  

The fact you followed Gh15’s protocol, who in their right mind would do that haha

[Bevo]

Didn’t see what mines been or one more rep wrote

It’s the older posts

Just to make it clear the guys that do take the extremely high dosages is absurd, and sadly they exist, but I find from experience the dosages are usually in the middle for most

[pellius]

I'm sure a lot of people lie, especially ones that look like shit.  

But as I've gotten older, I'm more inclined to believe the pros who say it's not all gear.  The ones I tend to believe is the ones that say they use moderate doses.  Plenty of them have claimed on a podcast that they keep test below 1 gram, simply because they don't like it, GH only at max 6iu a day because they don't see much difference going higher and not worth the money.  I've heard a few say they like to keep test at around 750mg or below and throw in an anabolic at around 400 to 600mg.  Nothing crazy.  Now this is for the offseason so maybe they go harder precontest.

You do have to factor in genetics, diet and most importantly consistency.  Doesn't mean eat all your meals for the day. But day in and day out for years doing everything right.

Now before I get ridiculed for being naive, here is my own personal experience.  Attached is a 'before and after' pic.  The before is back around 2011, when I was reading GH15 and though gear was the answer.  I was running as per GH15 recommendation for a 'standard cycle', 700 Test Prop, 700 Tren Ace, 700 Mast Prop and I think I also had T3 in there and maybe some oral.  The other pic is from this year.  I was running 350 Test Prop, 350 Tren Ace, and 350 Mast Prop, also ran some clen at 80mcg.  This was the for 6 weeks before the pic was taken.  Prior 6 weeks to that I was doing 250 test E per week, and 400 Tren E per week.  

Now my genetics absolutely suck for bodybuilding.  And actually I'm not even a 'bodybuilder'.  I'm too tall with way to long limbs.  But I managed to make huge improvements the last couple years.  Mainly, I learned how to diet properly (down and to grow), I learned how to actually work the muscle instead of just moving the weight (believe it or not in the before pic, I was actually able to bench 365 for reps with no spotter... can't do that anymore, don't even bench anymore).

So again, I don't have a 'pro physique', I'm not genetically gifted but if I can get this kind of results with half the gear that I used before and didn't even look like I worked out, by simply doing things properly and sticking to it, imagine what someone with genetics meant for bodybuilding could achieve.

Just my thoughts.
  

If you think your genetics suck then most of us are doomed.

[LurkerNoMore]

But if 6 grams is the sweet spot for average joes with a dad bod... surely the pros take so much more...

[Bevo]

If you think your genetics suck then most of us are doomed.

Pellius,

You made some solid points in your early comments, milos claims he’s on and others too, around 2 grams of anabolics not counting gh and slin, but yet milos injected oil in his arms and almost died, competing with Dorian. The thing about top level pros is, like you said, their mindset is to win at all costs, when you are a top 10 O competitors and want the edge, everyone is doing everything and anything to win. The fact that milos was known for “experimenting” combined with not a good reputation in this sport, says a lot. To believe what he is saying is most likely half the truth.

In recent interviews with Shawn Ray, where he interviewed Jean Pierre Fux, Jean said he got a bottle of synthol or something like that from a friend, just a little label, handwritten too, he said he injected it without even knowing if it was valid or not, was rushed to the hospital because he thought he was going to die. That should tell you something. The list goes on with Nasser, flex wheeler, Ronnie, etc

I’m sure there are a lot of guys that took “minimal” like Shawn, but these guys are taking risks, and doing whatever it takes to win. If Shawn stated he wasn’t going to do what it takes, what does that simply imply?

Even dexters IG page he posted a little sarcasm, saying when he turned 50 he was going to compete next year and putting everything towards the competition and said in his own words “I damn near killed myself this year.” “I will be better next year or die trying.” “So if you see or hear the blade passed. You’ll know why.” Hahaha of course sarcasm but still funny none the less. The mindset of a champion

[Bevo]

This question is to coach,

What did Ronnie do different from the early 90’s to winning his O’s? He said he didn’t know what he was doing until he talked to flex and Levrone. About x pill and C pills lol

What did jay do different all those other years and comes back mind blowing in 2009?

Sure, the training, food,  but what was so different?

[ESFitness]

Pellius,

You made some solid points in your early comments, milos claims he’s on and others too, around 2 grams of anabolics not counting gh and slin, but yet milos injected oil in his arms and almost died, competing with Dorian. The thing about top level pros is, like you said, their mindset is to win at all costs, when you are a top 10 O competitors and want the edge, everyone is doing everything and anything to win. The fact that milos was known for “experimenting” combined with not a good reputation in this sport, says a lot. To believe what he is saying is most likely half the truth.

In recent interviews with Shawn Ray, where he interviewed Jean Pierre Fux, Jean said he got a bottle of synthol or something like that from a friend, just a little label, handwritten too, he said he injected it without even knowing if it was valid or not, was rushed to the hospital because he thought he was going to die. That should tell you something. The list goes on with Nasser, flex wheeler, Ronnie, etc

I’m sure there are a lot of guys that took “minimal” like Shawn, but these guys are taking risks, and doing whatever it takes to win. If Shawn stated he wasn’t going to do what it takes, what does that simply imply?

Even dexters IG page he posted a little sarcasm, saying when he turned 50 he was going to compete next year and putting everything towards the competition and said in his own words “I damn near killed myself this year.” “I will be better next year or die trying.” “So if you see or hear the blade passed. You’ll know why.” Hahaha of course sarcasm but still funny none the less. The mindset of a champion

It's well known that while he was competing Milos was known to use much higher doses than everybody else (except for a few, Titus, Nasser, etc). So what he used himself and what he has his athletes using arnt the same.

[pellius]

It's well known that while he was competing Milos was known to use much higher doses than everybody else (except for a few, Titus, Nasser, etc). So what he used himself and what he has his athletes using arnt the same.

Yes, Milos is an intelligent guy in so far as cognitive ability goes (judgment is a separate issue). He could have been anything and came from a family of medical doctors. That road was already paved for him. But he chose bbing. Can you imagine the pressure in his own family? How determined he must have been to prove himself? It's irrational to think that someone like Milos isn't going to take things to the limit. And considering his inquiring mind and pioneering spirit, is going to find new and innovating ways of taking new things to the limit.

[f450]

I'm sure a lot of people lie, especially ones that look like shit.  

But as I've gotten older, I'm more inclined to believe the pros who say it's not all gear.  The ones I tend to believe is the ones that say they use moderate doses.  Plenty of them have claimed on a podcast that they keep test below 1 gram, simply because they don't like it, GH only at max 6iu a day because they don't see much difference going higher and not worth the money.  I've heard a few say they like to keep test at around 750mg or below and throw in an anabolic at around 400 to 600mg.  Nothing crazy.  Now this is for the offseason so maybe they go harder precontest.

You do have to factor in genetics, diet and most importantly consistency.  Doesn't mean eat all your meals for the day. But day in and day out for years doing everything right.

Now before I get ridiculed for being naive, here is my own personal experience.  Attached is a 'before and after' pic.  The before is back around 2011, when I was reading GH15 and though gear was the answer.  I was running as per GH15 recommendation for a 'standard cycle', 700 Test Prop, 700 Tren Ace, 700 Mast Prop and I think I also had T3 in there and maybe some oral.  The other pic is from this year.  I was running 350 Test Prop, 350 Tren Ace, and 350 Mast Prop, also ran some clen at 80mcg.  This was the for 6 weeks before the pic was taken.  Prior 6 weeks to that I was doing 250 test E per week, and 400 Tren E per week.  

Now my genetics absolutely suck for bodybuilding.  And actually I'm not even a 'bodybuilder'.  I'm too tall with way to long limbs.  But I managed to make huge improvements the last couple years.  Mainly, I learned how to diet properly (down and to grow), I learned how to actually work the muscle instead of just moving the weight (believe it or not in the before pic, I was actually able to bench 365 for reps with no spotter... can't do that anymore, don't even bench anymore).

So again, I don't have a 'pro physique', I'm not genetically gifted but if I can get this kind of results with half the gear that I used before and didn't even look like I worked out, by simply doing things properly and sticking to it, imagine what someone with genetics meant for bodybuilding could achieve.

Just my thoughts.
  

What I see here is the result of hard-work and consistency.
Major props given.

[Atlas pump]

Seems like a gateway drug activity. Whenever there is an issue drugs are always the first choice to address an problem.

Bodybuilding with drugs = gateway to other addictions

Just when you think ot was enough to chemically castrate your body. You cant forget the head meds, and pain killer
 - prozac, klonopin, nubian and opiates . A lot of these individuals are mental messes as a result.


And some skinny twink with a working dick willl cuck them 

[Taffin]

I was reading another forum thread from 2012,and this semi-known bodybuilder was giving some solid AAS advice in fact...
I google his name and sure enough,he's dead at 34.
https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/death-of-matt-porter/

Looked like shit too. Not the results I would die for.

Jeez - when you get to the point a cold drink throws your cardiac rhythm out you probably need to lay off the sh1t... 

[ESFitness]

Seems like a gateway drug activity. Whenever there is an issue drugs are always the first choice to address an problem.

Bodybuilding with drugs = gateway to other addictions

Just when you think ot was enough to chemically castrate your body. You cant forget the head meds, and pain killer
 - prozac, klonopin, nubian and opiates . A lot of these individuals are mental messes as a result.


And some skinny twink with a working dick willl cuck them 

Proscar/propecia is used for chemical castration,not anabolics.

Your logic is backwards.

You believe bodybuilders who use other drugs to medicate (self, and otherwise), started out as well-adjusted individuals. It's usually the other way around. How many bodybuilders started out training because they weren't happy with how they looked or felt? Skinny dudes, fat dudes, etc... Started training, felt better about themselves... Then realized they could use anabolics and improve more.

You realize that with drug addicts, drugs arnt the problem. They're the solution. The "problem" is with them and how they think. Take away the drugs and the problem is still there until they figure it out.

[joswift]

Proscar/propecia is used for chemical castration,not anabolics.

Your logic is backwards.

You believe bodybuilders who use other drugs to medicate (self, and otherwise), started out as well-adjusted individuals. It's usually the other way around. How many bodybuilders started out training because they weren't happy with how they looked or felt? Skinny dudes, fat dudes, etc... Started training, felt better about themselves... Then realized they could use anabolics and improve more.

You realize that with drug addicts, drugs arnt the problem. They're the solution. The "problem" is with them and how they think. Take away the drugs and the problem is still there until they figure it out.

QFT

[illuminati]

I'm sure a lot of people lie, especially ones that look like shit.  

But as I've gotten older, I'm more inclined to believe the pros who say it's not all gear.  The ones I tend to believe is the ones that say they use moderate doses.  Plenty of them have claimed on a podcast that they keep test below 1 gram, simply because they don't like it, GH only at max 6iu a day because they don't see much difference going higher and not worth the money.  I've heard a few say they like to keep test at around 750mg or below and throw in an anabolic at around 400 to 600mg.  Nothing crazy.  Now this is for the offseason so maybe they go harder precontest.

You do have to factor in genetics, diet and most importantly consistency.  Doesn't mean eat all your meals for the day. But day in and day out for years doing everything right.

Now before I get ridiculed for being naive, here is my own personal experience.  Attached is a 'before and after' pic.  The before is back around 2011, when I was reading GH15 and though gear was the answer.  I was running as per GH15 recommendation for a 'standard cycle', 700 Test Prop, 700 Tren Ace, 700 Mast Prop and I think I also had T3 in there and maybe some oral.  The other pic is from this year.  I was running 350 Test Prop, 350 Tren Ace, and 350 Mast Prop, also ran some clen at 80mcg.  This was the for 6 weeks before the pic was taken.  Prior 6 weeks to that I was doing 250 test E per week, and 400 Tren E per week.  

Now my genetics absolutely suck for bodybuilding.  And actually I'm not even a 'bodybuilder'.  I'm too tall with way to long limbs.  But I managed to make huge improvements the last couple years.  Mainly, I learned how to diet properly (down and to grow), I learned how to actually work the muscle instead of just moving the weight (believe it or not in the before pic, I was actually able to bench 365 for reps with no spotter... can't do that anymore, don't even bench anymore).

So again, I don't have a 'pro physique', I'm not genetically gifted but if I can get this kind of results with half the gear that I used before and didn't even look like I worked out, by simply doing things properly and sticking to it, imagine what someone with genetics meant for bodybuilding could achieve.

Just my thoughts.
  

Well Done - Good Physique
Glad you’ve realised & accepted that very large dosages aren’t always Necessary,
A much improved & Conditioned you. 👍🏻

[tres_taco_combo]

Proscar/propecia is used for chemical castration,not anabolics.

what is your thoughts on Propecia for hair loss for bbers?

[ESFitness]

what is your thoughts on Propecia for hair loss for bbers?

I don't recommend it. I recommend dutasteride Instead. Less chance of fucking up your sex drive. Google "post finasteride syndrome".

[Taffin]

Proscar/propecia is used for chemical castration,not anabolics.

Your logic is backwards.

You believe bodybuilders who use other drugs to medicate (self, and otherwise), started out as well-adjusted individuals. It's usually the other way around. How many bodybuilders started out training because they weren't happy with how they looked or felt? Skinny dudes, fat dudes, etc... Started training, felt better about themselves... Then realized they could use anabolics and improve more.

You realize that with drug addicts, drugs arnt the problem. They're the solution. The "problem" is with them and how they think. Take away the drugs and the problem is still there until they figure it out.

QFT

Woah woah woah....  *stop*the*press*

...did you two just agree on something..?

[joswift]

Woah woah woah....  *stop*the*press*

...did you two just agree on something..?

its not the first time I have agreed with him since I came back...