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This is Pure Madness!
« on: July 05, 2007, 02:02:20 PM »
Md. State Board Approves County's Sex-Ed Curriculum
By Daniel de Vise
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 4, 2007



The Maryland State Board of Education has ruled in favor of a sex-education curriculum adopted last month for use in Montgomery middle and high schools, finding nothing illegal in the new lessons on sexual orientation and condom use, school officials said yesterday.

In a 17-page June 27 opinion, the state panel declined to "second guess the appropriateness" of the curriculum approved by the Montgomery County Board of Education. Instead, the state panel said it could reverse the county's action only if it violated the law. And after reviewing more than a dozen claims alleged by curriculum opponents, the state board found no violation.

It was the strongest victory to date for Montgomery educators in a pitched legal battle over the county's sex-education curriculum, which has been under revision for five years in an effort to introduce sexual orientation as a topic for discussion in health classes.

"The State Board rejected each and every legal challenge brought by the opponents and determined that there was no valid reason to overturn our decision," said Nancy Navarro (Northeastern County), the county school board president, in a statement. She voiced hope that litigation would "finally come to an end."

A spokeswoman for the community group Citizens for a Responsible Curriculum, which led a consortium of opposition groups, said it was too soon to say whether it might take the matter to federal court. "There are many parents here in Montgomery County who are opposed to the curriculum," Michelle Turner said. She also said a growing number of parents outside the county are expressing concern with the lessons, which could be adopted in other Maryland counties.

"I wish we had had an opportunity to address the board," she said. The state panel ruled in a closed session. Seven board members signed the opinion; four abstained.

The Montgomery school system's first attempt at a new curriculum was halted in 2005 by a federal judge who faulted teacher materials that criticized religious fundamentalism. The lessons were recast from scratch.

This year, the revised curriculum survived an initial appeal to State Superintendent of Schools Nancy S. Grasmick. She refused to halt field tests but noted that arguments were "balanced equally on each side," which encouraged the school board's legal opponents.

Opposition groups argued that the new lessons violate free-speech rights of students by expressing only one viewpoint on homosexuality, wholly favorable, and that they restrict religious expression by suppressing the view that homosexuality is a sin. They said the lessons violate the constitutional right of equal protection by excluding the perspective of former homosexuals and also the fundamental right of a parent to control the upbringing of a child.

The state school board dismissed each argument in turn. Local school boards are not required to show all viewpoints in writing curriculum; nothing in the lessons prevents the ideologically opposed from "adhering to their religious beliefs about homosexual acts." The ruling noted that parents must give written consent for their children to take the lessons.

And although a parent does have a right to control the upbringing of a child, "that right is not absolute. It must bend to the State's duty to educate its citizens," the state board wrote.

At issue is a pair of lessons, totaling 90 minutes, to be added to health courses in grades 8 and 10 in the fall, along with a 10th-grade lesson and a DVD on the correct use of a condom.


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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2007, 02:09:10 PM »
I've gone back and forth on this.

I think sex ed is good now.

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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2007, 02:16:53 PM »
And although a parent does have a right to control the upbringing of a child, "that right is not absolute. It must bend to the State's duty to educate its citizens," the state board wrote.


 :o  Wow.  Government knows better than parents?  Good grief . . . 


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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2007, 02:17:41 PM »
More bullshit waste of money.


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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2007, 02:30:23 PM »
Morality starts at home, education starts in school

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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2007, 02:37:53 PM »
Condom vid? 10th Grade? TOO LATE!! ;D

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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2007, 03:09:56 PM »
Morality starts at home, education starts in school


They both start at home. 

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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2007, 04:12:30 PM »
wHAT They need for the UltraConservatives is - Home Childbirth delivery video.

Both sides go as far as they can on a slippery logic slope, to the point of absurdity.
Joe public ends up the collateral damage.

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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2007, 06:16:16 PM »
They both start at home. 

In a perfect world yes.   But that's just pure fantasy.

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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2007, 07:41:31 PM »
In a perfect world yes.   But that's just pure fantasy.

Not really.  They get either good or bad education at home, just like they get good or bad education at school.  In fact, by the time a kid starts first grade his/her personality and character is just about set. 

Are we talking about the same thing?  What do you mean by "education"? 

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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2007, 07:52:08 PM »
Not really.  They get either good or bad education at home, just like they get good or bad education at school.  In fact, by the time a kid starts first grade his/her personality and character is just about set. 

Are we talking about the same thing?  What do you mean by "education"? 

Hey Beach, in no way am i defending our education system.  If we could pump 400 billion into it.....well that's anther story.  Frankly, though i believe the average sex education a kid gets at school far exceeds the education on sex the children get from the average home.  It should be a 2 pronged approached ideally.  Home and school.  however, both on the average are for from being up to par.

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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2007, 07:59:41 PM »
Hey Beach, in no way am i defending our education system.  If we could pump 400 billion into it.....well that's anther story.  Frankly, though i believe the average sex education a kid gets at school far exceeds the education on sex the children get from the average home.  It should be a 2 pronged approached ideally.  Home and school.  however, both on the average are for from being up to par.

I hear you.  I didn't think you were necessarily defending the system. 

I don't have a lot of faith in sex education offered by the schools.  It's pretty useless IMO.  True sex education is an ongoing process.  What happens in school is a few hours of talk.  I'm not sure what kind of useful role school actually plays when all is said and done.  I bet kids learn more from their friends at school than from teachers.

This is the parents' job.  I'm just floored by the comments of some members of government who believe they are better qualified to educate kids about sex than the kids' own parents.     

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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2007, 08:21:42 PM »
I hear you.  I didn't think you were necessarily defending the system. 

I don't have a lot of faith in sex education offered by the schools.  It's pretty useless IMO.  True sex education is an ongoing process.  What happens in school is a few hours of talk.  I'm not sure what kind of useful role school actually plays when all is said and done.  I bet kids learn more from their friends at school than from teachers.

This is the parents' job.  I'm just floored by the comments of some members of government who believe they are better qualified to educate kids about sex than the kids' own parents.     


Yeah, i see what you are saying and agree it for the most part.  I'm basing much of my opinion on my "sex education" classes when i was 14 in high school.  it lasted an entire quarter 6-8 weeks.  It was almost like a anatomy course.  Lots on VD and preventing unwanted pregnancy via abstinence. 

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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2007, 08:53:57 PM »
Yeah, i see what you are saying and agree it for the most part.  I'm basing much of my opinion on my "sex education" classes when i was 14 in high school.  it lasted an entire quarter 6-8 weeks.  It was almost like a anatomy course.  Lots on VD and preventing unwanted pregnancy via abstinence. 

I don't remember my sex ed "class."  It was just a chapter in my health class, or something like that.  But that was many moons ago.  :)

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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2007, 06:25:56 AM »
Yeah, i see what you are saying and agree it for the most part.  I'm basing much of my opinion on my "sex education" classes when i was 14 in high school.  it lasted an entire quarter 6-8 weeks.  It was almost like a anatomy course.  Lots on VD and preventing unwanted pregnancy via abstinence. 
I had the same type of curriculum for sex ed.  It stuck for alot of the kids that I hung out with, but not all. What's interesting is if I look at the kids that I hung out with there's a pattern.  For those of us who took heed of the abstinence path were from a two-parent home with strong ties to church, and the handful of buddies that I had who ended up pregnant or knocking some girl up were from broken homes. 

To me, that speaks exactly to what Beach is saying...that education is for home and school, with home being the foundation work.

But, I agree wholeheartedly with you, OzmO.  Education at home is severly lacking. 

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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2007, 08:50:18 AM »
Condom vid? 10th Grade? TOO LATE!! ;D


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