Need a bit of help...

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Hey guys, I'm new to this forum and new to the world of steroids.  I'm a healthy 23 year old male, and I started working out early in high school (grade 9).  I went hard all the way through to university, but got in a bad car accident and was out for 3 years or so.  I just started back up again in August 2006, I weighed 230lbs, dropped down to 195 while adding muscle mass as well.  Last few months I've been trying to thicken up again, and I now weigh 205lbs.  I'm starting a cycle of my first steroids ever, and I just wanted maybe some opinions to see if I'm on the right track or if there is anything I can change/imrpove.

I'm taking DBOL stacked with injectable winstrol.  I have milk thistle to help protect my liver.  I just started this cycle on tuesday, I'm doing 40mg of DBOL per day, starting next wednesday it will be 50mgs per day.  I take 1 shot of winstrol every 2 days, it's 50mg dosage.  I drink between 4-6 litres of water per day, and I intake about 200g of protein per day just from my shakes, so this doesn't include the food I eat.  I make sure to eat nothing but whole wheat items, lots and lots of veggies, and lots of chicken, fish and turkey...beef I eat once or twice a month. 

Now I just had a few questions from any of you experienced guys out there...first of all, is winny and dbol a decent cycle to start off with? #2) I have some ether estel creatine (BSN - nitrix) about half a bottle, is it worth it to take it during the cycle, or afterwards to help maintain my gains? #3) I've read and been told to take Clomide (spelling?) to kick start my test levels when im down the roids?

I think that's all the questions I have for now...I welcome any other opinions or suggestions...thanks for your time and help guys.

Regards.

[udeluz]

Sounds like you are headed in the right direction, but you are missing one thing. . . . . . Test

But to answer your question that is NOT a good first cycle.

You really need to get 500mg of Test E or C in there.

Also lay out your cycle for us, Dose per week for how many weeks.

Save the creatine for PCT as well as the Clomid (I like Nolva)

And you need at least 200g of protien a day from food (NOT SHAKES)


Weeks 1-4 40mg Dbol ed
Weeks 1-16 500mg Test ew
PCT-Clomid or Nolva

Save the Winny for another cycle.


UDE

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hmmm ok I will save the winny then....I have a reliable guy who I can buy good stuff from, but what is Test E or C...I mean what are the names for these??

i started tuesday, took 3 10mg tablets of dbol..wednesday another 3 10 mg tablets and one shot of winny...thursday took 4 10mg tablets of dbol, today another 4 x 10mg tabs and im supposed to do another shot of winny...tomoro which is saturday is another 4 x 10 mg tabs of the dbol...sunday is another shot of winny, which is suppose to happen every other day for about a month...

this coming mon tues and wed will be 4 x 10mg tabs of the dbol, then thursday will be 5 x 10mg tabs of dbol until all my pills are done...it should be about 4 weeks in total..

I'm assuming you meant to save my creatine for after the cycle to help retain gains? And then use clomid or nolva after the cycle is done? I also have some test boosters and some tribex, would it be ok to use those after my roid cycle even if I'm on the clomide or nolva?

I take about 200g from shakes, but I do eat very, very healthy...I eat 3 egg whites in the morning, and for lunch and dinner I have at least 2-3 servings of meat the size of the palm of my hand...and i drink lots of water too...

Thanks for your help so far brother, look forward to learning more.

Regards.

[trab]

Man you are asking for problems here. I got to go right now, but This is a fast track to dissapointment at best. Get in touch w/ some ppl know they shit or U gona B sorry!

[udeluz]

What you need to do is STOP using any AAS until you get some Test .

You have not even stut yourself down yet so there should not be a problem stopping.

Use the time that you are waiting to read all the pages and posts of this forum, then you will understand a basic cycle and what "Test" is.

You sound like you have a good base and have some discipline, don't F U C K that up by jumping the gun to get big.

Read the sticky at the top of the forum by Arnold Jr titled : Thinking about doing Steroids. . . .

[trab]

Ya, it may seem GREAT RIGHT NOW, but in short order you gona do the 2 (or 3) Steps back trick.
Dont go to 50 on the Dbol. You'll likely feel like shit. 30makes most feel good, 40 is pushing it.

You need learn about the HPTA and how Nat test is shut down by estrogen from the aromatization of these drugs. (some more so than others, Your Dbol is a BAD 1!)

Shopping list: Nolva. HCG. clomid. Arimidex & or Letro will PREVENT the conversion of androgen to estrogen.  Nolva blocks the breast tissue receptor site from it as well as seem have a helping hand jumpstart Nat test levels after a course.

I'd do Like Ude said.STOP. I'd taper the Dboll off over a couple days and stop all together, unless you can
IMMEDIATLY add like 500-600 Te or TC.

You'd be better off reading the BS here and getting a feel for what happens, how to prevent problem.
You'll get as much out of passing convo here as a straight forward nuts and bolts step by step.

The particular combo you have in hand is not good alone. I'd have to try to think up worse...

[45plates]

What you need to do is STOP using any AAS until you get some Test .

You have not even stut yourself down yet so there should not be a problem stopping.

Use the time that you are waiting to read all the pages and posts of this forum, then you will understand a basic cycle and what "Test" is.

You sound like you have a good base and have some discipline, don't F U C K that up by jumping the gun to get big.

Read the sticky at the top of the forum by Arnold Jr titled : Thinking about doing Steroids. . . .

ok ok lol I'll stop taking the dbols right away. but slow downnnn lol, you're losing me with your lingo lol. What is AAS?

and yea I was reading a bunch of the threads on this page, especially the one by Arnold Jr, which actually helped me understand a lot more. I know I'm not very experienced at all, but I am willing to read and learn...along with some helpful guidance from you pros I heard a lot of good things about this forum.

Ya, it may seem GREAT RIGHT NOW, but in short order you gona do the 2 (or 3) Steps back trick.
Dont go to 50 on the Dbol. You'll likely feel like shit. 30makes most feel good, 40 is pushing it.

You need learn about the HPTA and how Nat test is shut down by estrogen from the aromatization of these drugs. (some more so than others, Your Dbol is a BAD 1!)

Shopping list: Nolva. HCG. clomid. Arimidex & or Letro will PREVENT the conversion of androgen to estrogen.  Nolva blocks the breast tissue receptor site from it as well as seem have a helping hand jumpstart Nat test levels after a course.

I'd do Like Ude said.STOP. I'd taper the Dboll off over a couple days and stop all together, unless you can
IMMEDIATLY add like 500-600 Te or TC.

You'd be better off reading the BS here and getting a feel for what happens, how to prevent problem.
You'll get as much out of passing convo here as a straight forward nuts and bolts step by step.

The particular combo you have in hand is not good alone. I'd have to try to think up worse...

whoa buddy whoaaa lol. As mentioned before, I'm newbie to this stuff, I'm definitely willing to learn, but if you could slow down with the lingo, I think I might get more out of it

ok so I'm gonna stop taking the DBOL because I can't get a hold of any test quickly enough...when I do get back on it, I'll be sure to use between 30-40mgs a day at most.

ok so I'm a bit confused about what HPTA is...im assuming nat test, means natural testosterone being shut down by the estrogen being produced from the use of these drugs???

whats the difference between nolvadex and clomide? or do they both do the same thing? what is HCG?? and what does it do? same thing with arimidex and letro...

i know that im supposed to use nolva and/or clomide after my cycle to help kick start my prdctn of my own test levels....but the other things I havent really heard about...

so, im stopping the dbol for sure...is it ok to do the winny cycle on its own just to help cut up a bit?? if i do the winny on its own, do i still need to take the clomide or nolva afterwards? i guess since its an injectable, i wont need to use the milk thistle to protect my liver, correct?

sorry for all the questions...i try to read as much as I can on the internet but its hard to decipher the good info from the bullshit...and i heard good things about this website from a few ppl from my gym (gold's gym).

well, I look forward to learning more from you guys...thanks so much for help thus far!

Regards.

[trab]

AAS- androgenic anabolic steroids.
HPTA, your correct there.
Me, I'd just save that Stannozol for the very last compound before PCT on a cycle. I wouldnt waste it by itself. It dont convert to estrogen, so its a good last one. I like the strong androgens up front, they also tend to hold water.

Estrogen. Need block it, or stop/ minimize it's production in 1st place. Nolva blocks. Adex &Letro stop the conversion of test to Estro.

PCT. Post cycle therapy. many use HCG, then clomid, and or Nolva.
This "kick starts" the testes again after they been on holiday because they were unneeded. Your body aint dumb, you cant trick it too long.

Milk thisle is no big deal IMO.