Not gonna argue with people whether Chris is natural or not, but I will say this. I have trained with him on two different contest preparations, and during those twelve weeks, NO ONE is more systematic with cardio, food weighing (pre and post), packing of food, eating of food, time of taking supplements, amount of fluids and when than Chris. There have been many a training partner that he burns out (I am one), and in some cases, feelings get hurt, and people are on strained relations. NONE of these former partners, whether they be Chauncy Murakami, Harold Han, Jason Iyomasa, Niko Lakatani, have said they have seen, saw, or knew that Chris took gear. He has passed drug testing toooooo many times to count. That is enough for me. TTT for the OVERALL champ and an all around great guy. I am sure Debbie will be glad the dieting will be over soon.