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Drug czar gives warning

Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists


http://www.redding.com/news/2007/jul/13/drug-czar-gives-warning/
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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2007, 10:18:25 AM »
Drug czar gives warning

Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists


http://www.redding.com/news/2007/jul/13/drug-czar-gives-warning/

I think CJ just pooped his pants.  ;D
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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2007, 10:33:39 AM »
This is my favorite quote from the piece. Walters likes his hyperbole.

"John P. Walters, President Bush's drug czar, said the people who plant and tend the gardens are terrorists who wouldn't hesitate to help other terrorists get into the country with the aim of causing mass casualties."

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2007, 10:38:03 AM »
"Don't buy drugs. They fund violence and terror," he said

Sounds right to me. 

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2007, 10:49:41 AM »
"Don't buy drugs. They fund violence and terror," he said

Sounds right to me. 

I'd like to see some proof that these growers are actually funding violence and terror - funny how they just say it but never offer any proof (notice that the Right does this alot). They don't need to paint them with the terrorist brush to justify the raids.

It's well known that mexican gangs grow pot on US public lands and every few years there is a story about some unfortunate hiker who stumbles upon a patch and get's shot.  I think it even happened to a US marshal (could be wrong about the agency) in the Santa Cruz mountains a few years ago.

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2007, 10:54:15 AM »
I'd like to see some proof that these growers are actually funding violence and terror - funny how they just say it but never offer any proof (notice that the Right does this alot). They don't need to paint them with the terrorist brush to justify the raids.

It's well known that mexican gangs grow pot on US public lands and every few years there is a story about some unfortunate hiker who stumbles upon a patch and get's shot.  I think it even happened to a US marshal (could be wrong about the agency) in the Santa Cruz mountains a few years ago.

Are you kidding??  All of the purchase of marijuana on the street is illegal.  Everyone selling it is breaking the law.  These drug dealers use violence to control their enterprise, including beatings, murder, maiming, etc.  A lot of gang violence is directly attributable to the illegal drug industry, including marijuana.  Go talk to a cop or two.   

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2007, 11:24:30 AM »
Are you kidding??  All of the purchase of marijuana on the street is illegal.  Everyone selling it is breaking the law.  These drug dealers use violence to control their enterprise, including beatings, murder, maiming, etc.  A lot of gang violence is directly attributable to the illegal drug industry, including marijuana.  Go talk to cop or two.   

you're forgot to show me proof that it's related to TERRORISM

Many people get pot legally via a doctors prescription and many others grow their own or buy it from friends who grow

Most dealers involved in the type of activity you describe are selling many other drugs besides pot

I will take your advise and talk to a cop tonight and we'll probably smoke a joint too.


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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2007, 11:29:55 AM »
There is alot of evidence right now that coyotes who run dealers and illiegals across the bairder, may be taking other foreign illigals over the border because it pays more. Its  a very dangerous secondary effect of a BS border policy. Bush has done nothing and neither have the Dems. Usually one will be pushing for it (generic issue) while the other critizes and attacks.
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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2007, 11:30:00 AM »
Are you kidding??  All of the purchase of marijuana on the street is illegal.  Everyone selling it is breaking the law.  These drug dealers use violence to control their enterprise, including beatings, murder, maiming, etc.  A lot of gang violence is directly attributable to the illegal drug industry, including marijuana.  Go talk to a cop or two.   
Sounds like prohibition to me.  And we all know what a success that was for America.

I prefer to think of the american home-growers as average americans...not terrorist sympathizers.  If Pfizer or Lily could corner the market on pot, it would find its way to legalization rather quickly.

But let's not discount the drug dealer/terrorist connection.  The Iran contra affair was allegedly funded through CIA cocaine distribution.  That drug money was used to buy arms to sell to Iran--a member of the axis of evil.

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2007, 11:33:51 AM »
you're forgot to show me proof that it's related to TERRORISM

Many people get pot legally via a doctors prescription and many others grow their own or buy it from friends who grow

Most dealers involved in the type of activity you describe are selling many other drugs besides pot

I will take your advise and talk to a cop tonight and we'll probably smoke a joint too.


I see.  You're a pothead.  Why I am not surprised? 

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2007, 11:36:13 AM »
Sounds like prohibition to me.  And we all know what a success that was for America.

I prefer to think of the american home-growers as average americans...not terrorist sympathizers.  If Pfizer or Lily could corner the market on pot, it would find its way to legalization rather quickly.

But let's not discount the drug dealer/terrorist connection.  The Iran contra affair was allegedly funded through CIA cocaine distribution.  That drug money was used to buy arms to sell to Iran--a member of the axis of evil.

There are a ton of home-growers in Hawaii, particularly on the Big Island.  I don't think they pose the same menace as dealers you find in the inner city.  Those guys are bad news. 

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2007, 11:36:41 AM »
I see.  You're a pothead.  Why I am not surprised? 

I'll take a page out of your book - ad hominem deflection

Way to avoid the topic at hand


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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2007, 02:06:45 PM »
Are you kidding??  All of the purchase of marijuana on the street is illegal.  Everyone selling it is breaking the law.  These drug dealers use violence to control their enterprise, including beatings, murder, maiming, etc.  A lot of gang violence is directly attributable to the illegal drug industry, including marijuana.  Go talk to a cop or two.   

That's it? The only valid reason you have is a government law which bans the drug? You know, there were once laws against certain races of people in the united states.. These laws prevented them from voting and having equal rights. Tell me, were those valid laws?

And you provided no evidence showing that marijuana growers fund terrorism, or are involved in mass violence.. Shows how little you know.

Truth is, the violence and illegal activity that does take place, does so directly because of the war on drugs. And the stuff you mentioned only happens with hardcore stuff like cocaine and heroin.. Which cause serious addiction and are pretty dangerous. Marijuana is sold by non-violent dealers. Pot is not as expensive, so it doesn't involve really involve the use of firearms or knives by street dealers.

Coke and heroin are gang oriented drugs.. The cartels of certain nations smuggle them in, then it becomes the smugglers', who themselves sell to street dealers, who then cut the drugs with fillers and sell at a very high markup. There are several parties involved, maybed 3-5 different factions.

Weed usually involves 2 parties.. The growers grows and sells it to street dealers, who sell to clients. There's no cutting or filling and the amounts involved range for $10 to a few hundred. That's it.. No violence is product of marijuana and its production/distribution.

The truth is.. Pot is not legalized because that would cut out a lot of law enforcement official jobs. Also, pot is not as ingrained in american culture as alcohol, which is far worse than marijuana could ever be.

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2007, 03:49:52 PM »
That's it? The only valid reason you have is a government law which bans the drug? You know, there were once laws against certain races of people in the united states.. These laws prevented them from voting and having equal rights. Tell me, were those valid laws?

And you provided no evidence showing that marijuana growers fund terrorism, or are involved in mass violence.. Shows how little you know.

Truth is, the violence and illegal activity that does take place, does so directly because of the war on drugs. And the stuff you mentioned only happens with hardcore stuff like cocaine and heroin.. Which cause serious addiction and are pretty dangerous. Marijuana is sold by non-violent dealers. Pot is not as expensive, so it doesn't involve really involve the use of firearms or knives by street dealers.

Coke and heroin are gang oriented drugs.. The cartels of certain nations smuggle them in, then it becomes the smugglers', who themselves sell to street dealers, who then cut the drugs with fillers and sell at a very high markup. There are several parties involved, maybed 3-5 different factions.

Weed usually involves 2 parties.. The growers grows and sells it to street dealers, who sell to clients. There's no cutting or filling and the amounts involved range for $10 to a few hundred. That's it.. No violence is product of marijuana and its production/distribution.

The truth is.. Pot is not legalized because that would cut out a lot of law enforcement official jobs. Also, pot is not as ingrained in american culture as alcohol, which is far worse than marijuana could ever be.

You are comparing laws prohibiting marijuana with Jim Crow?  That's just silly Camel. 

You are wrong about the drug industry.  The kinds of drugs being sold on the street have evolved over time, but there is little to separate the gangs and dealers that do big business.  They sell multiple drugs, including marijuana.  You cannot draw conclusions based on your purchase of marijuana from someone who grows the stuff in their backyard. 

This entire industry is violent.  It is not a legitimate industry.  They don't have contracts to do business like a normal enterprise.  They don't sue when a deal goes badly.  They use threats and violence to run their business. 

I think this statement is correct:  "Don't buy drugs. They fund violence and terror," he said.  No question the industry is controlled by violence.  I also wouldn't discount the link between terrorism and the drug industry.  Terrorists, like many criminals, are always seeking ways to make and launder money. 


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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2007, 05:02:52 PM »
Are you kidding??  All of the purchase of marijuana on the street is illegal.  Everyone selling it is breaking the law.  These drug dealers use violence to control their enterprise, including beatings, murder, maiming, etc.  A lot of gang violence is directly attributable to the illegal drug industry, including marijuana.  Go talk to a cop or two.   

So I guess Vitter is a terrorist, he purchased up to 7 hooker, from the streets which is illegal. Everyone buying sex is breaking the law. These sex solicitors use money and power to encourage violence, STDs, rape, drug abuse, murder, domestic violence, hmmm late term abortions. A lot of gang violence is directlye attributed to the illegal prostitution of women.
Vitter go hand yourself into a cop

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2007, 05:08:06 PM »
Terrorism!
Terrorism!
Terrorism!
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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2007, 06:12:08 PM »
So I guess Vitter is a terrorist, he purchased up to 7 hooker, from the streets which is illegal. Everyone buying sex is breaking the law. These sex solicitors use money and power to encourage violence, STDs, rape, drug abuse, murder, domestic violence, hmmm late term abortions. A lot of gang violence is directlye attributed to the illegal prostitution of women.
Vitter go hand yourself into a cop

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2007, 07:01:37 PM »
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haha, what you have the same vice or something? Go talk to a cop, haha

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2007, 07:24:12 PM »
haha, what you have the same vice or something? Go talk to a cop, haha

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2007, 07:28:45 PM »
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do you use a agency or scope for independents?

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2007, 09:47:28 PM »
Are you kidding??  All of the purchase of marijuana on the street is illegal.  Everyone selling it is breaking the law.  These drug dealers use violence to control their enterprise, including beatings, murder, maiming, etc.  A lot of gang violence is directly attributable to the illegal drug industry, including marijuana.  Go talk to a cop or two.   

Sounds a bit like iraq actually.

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2007, 09:51:20 PM »
do you use a agency or scope for independents?

Do you only sleep with female white supremacists (like you) or do you occasionally have jungle fever? 

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2007, 09:53:34 PM »
Sounds a bit like iraq actually.

It does.  Lots of mayhem going on in that country. 

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2007, 08:22:32 AM »
Do you only sleep with female white supremacists (like you) or do you occasionally have jungle fever? 

I just ask myself WHAT WOULD VITTER DO?

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Re: Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2007, 09:01:31 AM »
Marijuana kicks ass!

I propose a toast to keep on breaking federal and state laws!