Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists

[Camel Jockey]

!!!

[Hugo Chavez]

This is my favorite quote from the piece. Walters likes his hyperbole.

"John P. Walters, President Bush's drug czar, said the people who plant and tend the gardens are terrorists who wouldn't hesitate to help other terrorists get into the country with the aim of causing mass casualties."

This is just comical as all hell...  These guys are serious too... BWHAHHAhahahahahhahhahah a....

[Camel Jockey]

That's why I fucking hate Bush and his admin. How does growing weed make you a terrorist?

[Straw Man]

That's why I fucking hate Bush and his admin. How does growing weed make you a terrorist?

Don't worry - eventually Bush will get around to labeling all of us terrorists

[Camel Jockey]

I think this statement is correct:  "Don't buy drugs. They fund violence and terror," he said.  No question the industry is controlled by violence.  I also wouldn't discount the link between terrorism and the drug industry.  Terrorists, like many criminals, are always seeking ways to make and launder money.  

Marijuana growers could care less about shaping politics or murdering civilians.

I don't understand your reasoning at all. How does growing a product that's in high demand make you a terrorist?

Many people die from reactions to tylenol and aspirin. I guess tylenol and bayer are terrorist organizations!

[Straw Man]

Marijuana growers could care less about shaping politics or murdering civilians.

I don't understand your reasoning at all. How does growing a product that's in high demand make you a terrorist?

Many people die from reactions to tylenol and aspirin. I guess tylenol and bayer are terrorist organizations!

You're forgetting - Bum's capacity for "reason" is filtered through a brain that has been addled by years of listening to certified idiots like James Dobson.   

[Dos Equis]

Marijuana growers could care less about shaping politics or murdering civilians.

I don't understand your reasoning at all. How does growing a product that's in high demand make you a terrorist?

Many people die from reactions to tylenol and aspirin. I guess tylenol and bayer are terrorist organizations!

Growing a product that is in high demand does not make you a terrorist.  Buying illegal products that generate funds to support crime and some terrorist activity means you support crime and terrorist activity. 

You're comparing legitimate companies that manufacture aspirin with drug cartels?  O.K. 

[youandme]

Growing a product that is in high demand does not make you a terrorist.  Buying illegal products that generate funds to support crime and some terrorist activity means you support crime and terrorist activity. 

You're comparing legitimate companies that manufacture aspirin with drug cartels?  O.K. 

Considering Bayer was founded as a drug cartel itself, does not make sense. Contemporary pharmaceutical manufacturers and several spice companies produced products containing potent psychoactive compounds like opium, cocaine, heroin, lycetol, salophen.....seems wall street is built on poppy itself.

[Dos Equis]

Considering Bayer was founded as a drug cartel itself, does not make sense. Contemporary pharmaceutical manufacturers and several spice companies produced products containing potent psychoactive compounds like opium, cocaine, heroin, lycetol, salophen.....seems wall street is built on poppy itself.

From Wiki: 

Bayer AG was founded in Barmen (today a part of Wuppertal), Germany in 1863 by Friedrich Bayer and his partner, Johann Friedrich Weskott.

Bayer's first major product was acetylsalicylic acid (originally discovered by French chemist Charles Frederic Gerhardt in 1853), a modification of salicylic acid or salicin, a folk remedy found in the bark of the willow. By 1899, Bayer's trademark Aspirin was registered worldwide for Bayer's brand of acetylsalicylic acid, but through the widespread use to describe all brands of the compound, and Bayer's inability to protect its trademark (mainly where its assets were confiscated during World War I), the word "aspirin" lost its trademark status in the United States and some other countries. It is now widely used in the US for all brands of the drug. However in some other countries, such as Canada,Mexico, Germany, and Switzerland it is still a registered trademark of Bayer.

. . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer

Company is now Bayer AG.  You cannot reasonably compare Bayer AG to gangs and cartels that sell cocaine, marijuana, heroin, etc., at least when it comes to crime.  That makes no sense. 

[youandme]

No need for wiki I know about Bayer, and their past production of psychotropic drugs. In their time they were like a gang, peddling heroin and opium and at one point a form of salvia dinorium enchanting mother to give it to their kids for their luxury of relaxation. But I forgot their lobbyists were not funding terror and sicko type healthcare reform, since they have spent up towards 20 millions since 2004 and that is on the books.

[Dos Equis]

No need for wiki I know about Bayer, and their past production of psychotropic drugs. In their time they were like a gang, peddling heroin and opium and at one point a form of salvia dinorium enchanting mother to give it to their kids for their luxury of relaxation. But I forgot their lobbyists were not funding terror and sicko type healthcare reform, since they have spent up towards 20 millions since 2004 and that is on the books.

What do you mean "in their time"?  They've been in business since the 1800s. 

[BigNBloated]

Marijuana kicks ass!

I propose a toast to keep on breaking federal and state laws!

-clangs beer bottles-

You are right my friend. Marijuana does kick ass.   

[Camel Jockey]

What do you mean "in their time"?  They've been in business since the 1800s. 

Bayer used to produce heorin, morphine and opium tonics back in the early 1900's, many of which were used for pain, illness, alcoholism, but they just ended up making things worse.

The history channel had a special about opium and I was shocked to see how many companies produced legal opium based meds, which were over the counter, in the early 1900's and late 1800's.

Marijuana was in something like 95% of medications back then, and it was actually the safest.

Bum, give me a reason for the banning for marijuana. Alcohol is worse and that's obvious, but is legal, while marijuana is not. Why? Alcohol can impair far worse, cause car accidents, death from over drinking, violence. Marijuana can not be overdosed on, nor does it make people violent. And contrary to reports by the DEA, marijuana does not cause cancer like tobacco, as it's not grown in radioactive soil. And I've never seen cases of accidents cause by marijuana comprable to alcohol related accidents.

[Dos Equis]

Bayer used to produce heorin, morphine and opium tonics back in the early 1900's, many of which were used for pain, illness, alcoholism, but they just ended up making things worse.

The history channel had a special about opium and I was shocked to see how many companies produced legal opium based meds, which were over the counter, in the early 1900's and late 1800's.

Marijuana was in something like 95% of medications back then, and it was actually the safest.

Bum, give me a reason for the banning for marijuana. Alcohol is worse and that's obvious, but is legal, while marijuana is not. Why? Alcohol can impair far worse, cause car accidents, death from over drinking, violence. Marijuana can not be overdosed on, nor does it make people violent. And contrary to reports by the DEA, marijuana does not cause cancer like tobacco, as it's not grown in radioactive soil. And I've never seen cases of accidents cause by marijuana comprable to alcohol related accidents.

Camel I cannot give you a logical reason to ban marijuana, but not alcohol (or cigarettes).  In reality, when you look at the health implications, we ought to ban cigarettes instead of marijuana. 

But that's really beside the point.  The fact is marijuana is illegal (not talking about medical marijuana).  Because it is illegal there has been a huge black market for decades in this country.  People who grow the stuff for personal use are not really a problem, but you cannot deny there is a huge illegal drug industry that includes marijuana.  Many dealers who sell marijuana also sell other drugs.  Those guys are criminals.  It's a violent industry.   

I understand where you're coming from.  You believe marijuana use should be legal.  That's really a different discussion IMO. 

[24KT]

Company is now Bayer AG.  You cannot reasonably compare Bayer AG to gangs and cartels that sell cocaine, marijuana, heroin, etc., at least when it comes to crime.  That makes no sense. 

How about from the perspective of "a company that knowingly sold HIV infected blot clotting agents to hemophilliacs around the world"? Knowing recipients would die? Would you consider such a company criminal?

[BigNBloated]

correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't bush both a cokehead and a drunk?

 corrected

[Camel Jockey]

I heard Bush was quoted as saying that marijuana was a light drug and cocaine was manlier and harder.. Something along those lines. 

[OzmO]

Drug czar gives warning

Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists

http://www.redding.com/news/2007/jul/13/drug-czar-gives-warning/

I wouldn't be surprised if this was some guy who has a secret membership to NAMBA.

POT is about the biggest thing now they need to make legal.  99% of it is grown in the US by US citizens. 

You are not funding terror by buying pot anymore then you are funding terror by buying gas.

If anyone had any real balls they'd legalized and set a 3 strikes rule for meth with a 25 year minimum with no chance of parole for 3 time offenders.

[24KT]

I don't believe drug addiction is a criminal problem to be solved with incarceration,
but rather a medical one to be solved with treatment. They need to break the addiction,
not spend tax-payer money locking up the addict.

[24KT]

Company is now Bayer AG.  You cannot reasonably compare Bayer AG to gangs and cartels that sell cocaine, marijuana, heroin, etc., at least when it comes to crime.  That makes no sense. 

Beach, ...oh Beachie,

How about from the perspective of "a company that knowingly sold HIV infected blot clotting agents to hemophilliacs around the world"? Knowing recipients would die? Would you consider such a company criminal?

[kh300]

I don't believe drug addiction is a criminal problem to be solved with incarceration,
but rather a medical one to be solved with treatment. They need to break the addiction,
not spend tax-payer money locking up the addict.

of all the people ive arrested ive never seen one guy who was only addicted to drugs that went to jail for it.. drug addicts do just that -they go into rehab.. problem is a drug addiction will usually lead you to steal, rob, and kill.. those are the ones going to jail.. we simply dont have room or the time to send guys to jail for smoking crack.

if you think drug addicts are working 9-5 to pay for their habit, then you need to step outside. because those people are 1 in a 1000 in the ghetto

[youandme]

I don't believe drug addiction is a criminal problem to be solved with incarceration,
but rather a medical one to be solved with treatment. They need to break the addiction,
not spend tax-payer money locking up the addict.

Very true, but what do you do when they are putting other people's lives in danger? I'ts for the courts to decide that option, and the judge heads caution, he/she does not want a dead child's blood on their hands from a DUI that went thru their courts.

Also I've seen this stuff first hand and can get into it, I've had to defend your position which was mine (more like a facade) because I saw these rehab centers were just a revoloving door for repeat offenders I'm not just talking about drugs I'm talking sicko crimes as well.

Also majority of the time, in some circumstances the offender is required to re pay the state, on top of restitution. I don't agree with that stance since it increases the spiraling down, how can you get back on your feet when your wages are getting garnished and you have no outlook on your future.

[Camel Jockey]

of all the people ive arrested ive never seen one guy who was only addicted to drugs that went to jail for it.. drug addicts do just that -they go into rehab.. problem is a drug addiction will usually lead you to steal, rob, and kill.. those are the ones going to jail.. we simply dont have room or the time to send guys to jail for smoking crack.

if you think drug addicts are working 9-5 to pay for their habit, then you need to step outside. because those people are 1 in a 1000 in the ghetto

It depends from demographic to demographic, dumbass.

You're a fucking pig, so your pov is skewed. There are probably a lot of people doing drugs and working on wall street, but it's not really a proble, since they work and contribute.

With people in ghetto, it's a different story. The problem is cultural actually.

[Camel Jockey]

Cocaine is a drug used by the upper middleclass.. It's not so much of a problem as meth or crack, which is used by the poor.

And what's disturbing is that they try and peg marijuana as a "gateway" drug.. hahaha, like alcohol is any better.

[kh300]

It depends from demographic to demographic, dumbass.

how did you fiqure that out? you mean things are run different in harlem then they are on the upper west side? no fucking way

look what i wrote.. i said in the ghetto -dumbass