JOJ now on team Milos !

[BEAST 8692]

nope. most guys who do HIT are people who didnt have the drive to do real workouts and pussied out and looked for an excuse..."overtraining". Overtraining isnt a myth, but its not as easy to overtrain as many people believe...also the body can be conditioned to handle more and more volume.

and yes i tried HIT...and know alot about it and its history (jones, darden, mentzer, bryzcki)...

finally: there are many variations of HIT....and the stuff im talking about are the extreme low volume routines.

not the 6-7 working set workouts..which isnt optimal, but certainly can work.

i agree with you slaveboy in that you need to increase the load on the musculoskeletal sytem to get that real muscle fatigue.

the problem with hit is not so much the theory, but the fact that you don't spend enough time really fatigueing the muscle. most people quit when the lactic acid sets in. of course lactic acid is going to end up forcing you to end your set, that's it's job to prevent injury, but that doesn't mean the muscle is truly fatigued yet.

another problem with 1 set to failure with forced reps etc is that the trainee only gets one chance per exercise and he/she fails every time.

why is this relevant IF you have reached true failure?

well, this is my point, most people have NO IDEA where their true failure point is.

in this day and age brutally hard physical work is eschewed. from the time you're old enough to lift something people are telling you not to lift it eg. mother to son, "don't lift that johnny, it's too heavy." ; "use the fork lift for that bud, you'll hurt your back.", etc. unless you're a professional athlete what the hell would you know what your body is capable of

think about it. eg. an accountant that spends all day sitting at a desk. all of a sudden 5:00pm comes along and he's going to the gym to do some hit training with an espresso on the way.

he gets to the gym, does a warm up, gets under his 135lb bench press and ALL HE'S THINKING ABOUT IS WHEN FAILURE'S GOING TO HIT. of course once it does he stops the set and he's done. this guy believes in his mind that he reached true failure but his body's fast asleep. that's because his mind has pooped way before his body has.

how does this happen?

because every time this man goes to the gym he does 1 set of bench presses and he ALWAYS fails, so the mind tells the body, "don't stress this one, i've got it. we've seen this all before a thousand times and it don't mean shit. i'll tell him to quit right about the same point i always do."

meanwhile the guy may be going, "please don't fail at 10 again, please don't fail at 10 again, pleeeeeeease donnnn't faiiiiiiiiiii...DAMN! i failed at 10 again."

that's what's wrong with hit. you're training your mind to fail over and over every time you work out which is exactly the opposite to the way a successful athlete conditions his mind. a successful athlete conditions his mind to succeed (seems obvious), to believe that he can achieve the impossible.

[D.L. 5]

beast,

great observation. i think it takes a h.i.t trainee 6 months to a year to be able to build up to full failure (i call this failure of the entire body...true failure makes u dig deeper than the muscle, it means pushing every possible momentary energy, strength and effort of ur being.

this is very advanced and intense...u have to build up to it.

[slaveboy1980]

i agree with you slaveboy in that you need to increase the load on the musculoskeletal sytem to get that real muscle fatigue.

the problem with hit is not so much the theory, but the fact that you don't spend enough time really fatigueing the muscle. most people quit when the lactic acid sets in. of course lactic acid is going to end up forcing you to end your set, that's it's job to prevent injury, but that doesn't mean the muscle is truly fatigued yet.

another problem with 1 set to failure with forced reps etc is that the trainee only gets one chance per exercise and he/she fails every time.

why is this relevant IF you have reached true failure?

well, this is my point, most people have NO IDEA where their true failure point is.

in this day and age brutally hard physical work is eschewed. from the time you're old enough to lift something people are telling you not to lift it eg. mother to son, "don't lift that johnny, it's too heavy." ; "use the fork lift for that bud, you'll hurt your back.", etc. unless you're a professional athlete what the hell would you know what your body is capable of

think about it. eg. an accountant that spends all day sitting at a desk. all of a sudden 5:00pm comes along and he's going to the gym to do some hit training with an espresso on the way.

he gets to the gym, does a warm up, gets under his 135lb bench press and ALL HE'S THINKING ABOUT IS WHEN FAILURE'S GOING TO HIT. of course once it does he stops the set and he's done. this guy believes in his mind that he reached true failure but his body's fast asleep. that's because his mind has pooped way before his body has.

how does this happen?

because every time this man goes to the gym he does 1 set of bench presses and he ALWAYS fails, so the mind tells the body, "don't stress this one, i've got it. we've seen this all before a thousand times and it don't mean shit. i'll tell him to quit right about the same point i always do."

meanwhile the guy may be going, "please don't fail at 10 again, please don't fail at 10 again, pleeeeeeease donnnn't faiiiiiiiiiii...DAMN! i failed at 10 again."

that's what's wrong with hit. you're training your mind to fail over and over every time you work out which is exactly the opposite to the way a successful athlete conditions his mind. a successful athlete conditions his mind to succeed (seems obvious), to believe that he can achieve the impossible.





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i agree with some of the things you say..but im not gonna comment on everything:.. the thing that a guy like him should do is: stop one or two reps before failure ..and do 3 more sets of the bench press...then working at a fast pace...head over to incline dumbbell press do 8-12 reps and do the same thing...maybe failure on the last set.but certainly not several forced reps...then maybe some kind of machine press..and finally some cable crossovers..

nothing special...with the exeception that failure isnt the primary goal...the goal is to work with a manageble weight+good pace+maximum pump+ 12-20 sets. (6-12 reps most of the time,)

this is alot better than doing one set of bench press with mind focused on failure...instead its better stop before failure inorder to succeed....kinda like lee haney said ; "stimulate dont annihilate".

this isnt anything really new. but the ego and people being overly afraid of overtraining+lazyness...gets in the way.

[slaveboy1980]

beast,

great observation. i think it takes a h.i.t trainee 6 months to a year to be able to build up to full failure (i call this failure of the entire body...true failure makes u dig deeper than the muscle, it means pushing every possible momentary energy, strength and effort of ur being.

this is very advanced and intense...u have to build up to it.

absolute bullshit! this is the kind of training you should avoid 99% of the time. it can be used for short periods of time for "shocking the body" (planned overreaching..as the russians call it) but certainly not workout after workout.

and it doesnt take a hit trainee 6months to learn going to true failure...(if he/she has can do the movement properly). he or she can learn it in one workout...if they have some prior workout experience and are pushed hard enough.

finally: failure of the entire body isnt something that you want or need so it really doesnt matter how long it takes to learn it..(but certainly doesnt take 6monts to learn it...it can be done in 45minutes)

[D.L. 5]

u are a clown.

[slaveboy1980]

u are a clown.

= you where sodomized by the truth     

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahaha hahhha 

[Bluto]

just shut the fuck up and train like ronnie

3 exercises for chest

twice a week

3 sets

thats it

[slaveboy1980]

just shut the fuck up and train like ronnie

3 exercises for chest

twice a week

3 sets

thats it

3x3=9

9 x 2 =18

read and learn. blutobasic.

[Bluto]

3x3=9

9 x 2 =18

read and learn. blutobasic.

yes i can count

learn what thats what i said

follow ronnie and you cant go wrong

[slaveboy1980]

yes i can count

learn what thats what i said

follow ronnie and you cant go wrong

you should take your own advice 

[D.L. 5]

= you where sodomized by the truth     

where is not a verb, you meant to say 'were'.

[D.L. 5]

read and learn.

judging by this logic u can also follow mike mentzer and dorian yates to get a great physique.

u can also follow the genetic freak who doesnt know shit but grows either way.

in other words it has no logic. 

[slaveboy1980]

judging by this logic u can also follow mike mentzer and dorian yates to get a great physique.

u can also follow the genetic freak who doesnt know shit but grows either way.

in other words it has no logic. 

nope all it ment was that 2x9=18.

 

[mesmorph78]

Some cool pics:





Me being tiny:

i must say johnnie has brought his arms up tremendously

[Hedgehog]

I am not all over the place. What I advocate is clear and distinct. What is confusing are the minds of the flotsam experts here on Getbig who cannot grasp that my theory is reverse engineered. I start with whatever causes growth and work backwards. Therefore my theory has to be right. My main fault is being unable to communicate what I have to say in simple enough terms that some of the select intellects here can grasp. HIT isn't false because I say so but because it simply doesn't work. It it did work for everyone Darden, and formerly Mentzer, wouldn't still be writing books trying to convince everyone. There is a certain intellectual dishonesty about most of the theories of hypertrophy seen on the internet. I abandon false theories. The test is simple. See if they work. If not, and you are doing them properly, then abandon them and try something else.

Post a sample workout that you would recommend.

[D.L. 5]

nope all it ment was that 2x9=18.

 

thank you

[biceps]

The most revolutionary training system ever developed is The Delczeg Training System go to www.fitnessenterprises.c om

[D.L. 5]

The most revolutionary training system ever developed is The Delczeg Training System go to www.fitnessenterprises.c om

elaborate on its theory

[biceps]

The Delczeg System is Negativ vs Positive, we`ve all heard about incorporating negative movements into our workouts. You see, traditional negative training might well be ineffectual after all.  That`s because during regular negative training, the targeted muscle passively resists the weight by involving the maximun amount of muscle fibers.  And in order to move the weight back up to the start position, the aditional aid of external help is necessary. A training partner must involve himself to get the weight back to a point of stability.  At this poin, a portion of the motor units (fibers and nerve connections) involved shut off and the effectiveness of the negative repetition is significantly reduced. With the Delczeg Training System, the effectiveness of the negative portion of the movement is what will cause you to gain more muscle in less time!

[biceps]

D.L.5
Here`s what happens with the Dlczeg System
You`ll warm-up thoroughly for at least 10 minutes. This time doesn`t count in the overall time of the workout, but it`s essential for preserving joint health and for getting blood ihto the muscle prior to actually lifting hevy weights.
The warm-up will consist of 1 light set of 20 reps followed by 1 set of 10 reps with a moderate weight. The warm-up concludes with a moderate-heavy set for 5 reps, never use weights that cause you to struggel to complete the last few reps during the warm-up.
Next suppose you can perform 4 strict, full repetitions on the incline bench presses with a maximun weight of 200 pounds. Your heavy workout for the incline bench presses should be 200 pounds. Now, compute 25% of 200 pounds = 50 pounds. This is your incremental weight.

I will continue the rest of Delczeg System tomorrow.

[D.L. 5]

please do. sounds great. i love negatives. they are vital.

[Van_Bilderass]

Post a sample workout that you would recommend.

Good luck with that request!

[biceps]

Benifits of the Delczeg Training System :

Does not produce to much lactic acid build up during sets because of the low volume of repetitions.

Will produse maximum results in less time of traditional workouts.

Doesn`t cause significant mental stress because workouts are very brief        ( attention span and concentration diminishes after45 minutes).

Increases size of muscles becouse more fibers are utilized throughout workout (works both fast-twich and slpw-twich fibers to maximum capacity).

It`s the only training system in wich the lifter does all of the work during the positive phase of the lift!

Workout Execution:
The workout is comprised of heavy and moderate workout days, based on fiber specialization (heavy days target primarily fast-twitch fibers, while moderate days target both fast and slow-twitch fibers) and alternating poundages for joint health (frequent heavy workouts can result in joint  damage)
The Delczeg System , which incorporates the use of 2 separate spotters, heavy weight, incremental wejght, and negative repetitions thet end up benefitting the muscle fibers, withouth stressing the joints excessively.

More information tomorrow.

[biceps]

Delczeg Training System
TRY THIS SYSTEM ONLY IF YOU ARE A PROFESIONAL BB, OR YOU ARE A VERY ADVANCED BB.
Heavy Workout:
The weight required for this workout is a weight that can managed for 4 strict repetitions.  Perform 3 total sets, with 5 minutes rest periods between sats. On each set, perform 4 normal repetitions before adding and stripping the incremental weight for 4 more repetitions.

Moderate Workout:
The weight required forthis work out is a weight that can be managed for 8 strict repetitions.  Perform 3 total sets,with 2 minutes rest period in between sets. On each set,perform 8 normal repetitions before adding and striping the incremental weight for 3-4 more repetitions.

[biceps]

Delczeg Training System
MUSCLE BUILDING DIET
Diet is one of the most important factors involved in muscle growth. Many pepole would argue that it`s the amount of weight, or the degree of intensity that build muscla size. But in fact,supplying the body with the necessary nutrients is really what makes growth possible because the dody needs proteins, carbohydrates, and fats to rebuild the muscle tissue damage that occurs during weight training.  Finding a good balance of nutrients is a challenge,because balancing ratios of proteins to carbohydrates and fats is difficult and may be different for each individual. Discovering what works best for both adding muscle size and losing body fat is often a tral and error pursuit.
 And just as you adhere to a method of training, you must adhere to a method of eating that will support whatever it is you are trying to do with your training. This is an important part of your success with this program, or any other. But with the Delczeg T S it`s crucial because you`ll be creating a giant need to feed more muscle fiberrs, and to support more overall growth within a shorter period of time than traditionally possible with other methods.
When you talk about a growth diet, you`re talking about a diet whereby you are literally providing assistance to areas of the body that are broken down and to be rebuilt. Because this system of training is so revolutionary,it requires tremendous thought to develop an eating plan that fully supports all of the complwx principles involved with rebuildin damage musce fibers without exceeding cellular metabolism ( building muscle wthout gaining fat).