Author Topic: How the Mr Olympia champion has evolved, then de-volved (Read 6030 times)

Livewire · « **on:** July 20, 2007, 10:43:32 AM »

A nice look at the run of Olympia champs from Larry Scott, up to Arnold, then a nice descent since then to today's winners.

This "sport" peaked 30 years ago.

http://www.getanabolics.com/2007/07/jay-cutler-vs-ronnie-coleman.html

JaggyShortBuff · « **Reply #1 on:** July 20, 2007, 10:50:59 AM »

I would say the sport peaked around 94' than it went to total shit with everyone trying to catch Ronnie and destroying their bodies in the process

Voice of Doom · « **Reply #2 on:** July 20, 2007, 11:45:40 AM »

cool video...no disrespect to the other champions, but if I could have Larry's physique for the rest of my life...I could die happy.

genrommel74 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 20, 2007, 02:24:44 PM »

IF i wasnt competing then i would want arnies physique, but competing i would want modern champoins

climber · « **Reply #4 on:** July 20, 2007, 02:33:41 PM »

Quote from: Livewire on July 20, 2007, 10:43:32 AM

A nice look at the run of Olympia champs from Larry Scott, up to Arnold, then a nice descent since then to today's winners.

This "sport" peaked 30 years ago.

http://www.getanabolics.com/2007/07/jay-cutler-vs-ronnie-coleman.html

from the looks of that video everything started to go strange from Dorian onwards...

Hulkster · « **Reply #5 on:** July 20, 2007, 02:36:14 PM »

I agree -1994 was the beginning of the end..

things rebounded a bit following dorian's reign with Ronnie looking amazing in 98/99 (along with Cormeir) but then Ronnie did exactly what dorian did:

went for total size and ruined his look..

Matt C · « **Reply #6 on:** July 20, 2007, 02:37:47 PM »

As ZachG_85 has asked before, how the fuck else did you expect bodybuilding to evolve? The ironage delusion of pros of that era growing without their stomachs and waists growing proportionally is pure BS. It can't happen. Is there something about that someone is unclear on? Bodybuilding had two choices: go the path it did now, or not progress at all. There is NO other option.

PS - to Hulkster, show me how 287 pounds of shredded muscle could EVER look better than it did on Ronnie in 2003.

pumpster · « **Reply #7 on:** July 20, 2007, 02:38:13 PM »

-Roid stacks in the 60-70 were fine. The result looked great.

-Roids + GH in the 80s still looked good, the only difference from before was genetics. None of the top guys including Haney were genetically comparable overall to earlier BBs.

-Roids + GH + slin cocktail = unnatural frankenstein look. I give you "the keg". Thank you for the gh/slin look.

Hulkster · « **Reply #8 on:** July 20, 2007, 02:46:44 PM »

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PS - to Hulkster, show me how 287 pounds of shredded muscle could EVER look better than it did on Ronnie in 2003.

don't get me wrong - for the size that he was in 2003, ronnie looked unreal.

but his 99 form still had much more detail and a smaller waist that looked much better IMO.

lots of people on the internet think ronnie's 2003 form was his best ever...until you show them what he looked like in 1999 LOL

JasonH · « **Reply #9 on:** July 20, 2007, 03:02:39 PM »

The "sport" peaked with Arnold and died a death from the 1980's onwards when the public strted to realise steroids were involved. By then Arnold had gotten out of the game and moved on to acting.

There was a fitness "boom" in the eighties but strangely bodybuilding couldn't capitalise on it. Then into the 90's through Dorian's era and then Ronnie from 98 onwards, the sport became so freaky that only the hardcore fans remained loyal.

There were no "personalities" after Arnold and so the sport might have had a Mr Olympia, but no real figurehead - the Weiders are responsible for that - keeping too much of a stranglehold on the athletes.

pumpster · « **Reply #10 on:** July 20, 2007, 03:14:32 PM »

Quote from: BigJ on July 20, 2007, 03:02:39 PM

The "sport" peaked with Arnold and died a death from the 1980's onwards when the public strted to realise steroids were involved. By then Arnold had gotten out of the game and moved on to acting.

There was a fitness "boom" in the eighties but strangely bodybuilding couldn't capitalise on it. Then into the 90's through Dorian's era and then Ronnie from 98 onwards, the sport became so freaky that only the hardcore fans remained loyal.

There were no "personalities" after Arnold and so the sport might have had a Mr Olympia, but no real figurehead - the Weiders are responsible for that - keeping too much of a stranglehold on the athletes.

The sport could've been much more interesting and competitive after Schwarzenegger except for the behind the scenes hijinks that resulted in most of the top guys leaving or retiring around the beginning of the 80s. It wasn't all predicated on Arnold.

Some of those guys also had personalities, guys like Szkalak and Mentzer. They weren't around long enough or promoted well enough to develop that generation to the public as well as it could've been, hence the hodge-podge of winners in the late 70s with banal personas and so-so physiques from a historical perspective.

pumpster · « **Reply #11 on:** July 20, 2007, 03:17:12 PM »

Quote from: Neurotoxin on July 20, 2007, 03:15:51 PM

haney was the last great mr o.

Haney was far too flawed to compare to a late-90s Coleman. Torso overpowering mediocre arms & legs, two-thirds of his physique, don't make a superstar. If he'd had good balance he'd have been great.

His problem wasn't the drug look of today, it was just genetics.

JaggyShortBuff · « **Reply #12 on:** July 20, 2007, 03:19:18 PM »

Quote from: Neurotoxin on July 20, 2007, 03:15:51 PM

haney was the last great mr o.

The Mr. Olympia should go back to awarding small waistlines like Haney's, but I don't think Haney was as overpowering as they made him out to be...I think Haney just had outstanding proportions...

pumpster · « **Reply #13 on:** July 20, 2007, 03:20:00 PM »

Quote from: JaggyShortBuff on July 20, 2007, 03:19:18 PM

The Mr. Olympia should go back to awarding small waistlines like Haney's, but I don't think Haney was as overpowering as they made him out to be...I think Haney just had outstanding proportions...

His lack of balance was actually his biggest weakness. Nothing else compared to the torso, if it had then he'd have been great as claimed. Too many are fooled by the numbers of Olympias, when he never beat any superstars doing it.

JasonH · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2007, 05:29:27 AM »

Compared to today's standards, Lee Haney just looks ordinary. He wasn't even that much far ahead of the competitors he competed against - they were all small guys like Labrada and Gaspari whose conditioning were just as good. Haney had to do a runner when Dorian appeared - he realised Dorain would take it to the next level.

UK Gold · « **Reply #15 on:** July 21, 2007, 05:34:06 AM »

Dorian in 93 is the absolute pinnacle of bodybuilding perfection. Downhill ever since, the last 3 years being particularly dreadful.

Pollux · « **Reply #16 on:** July 21, 2007, 05:54:16 AM »

Bodybuilding surely has evolved...for the worse.

Dballn247 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 21, 2007, 06:54:12 AM »

Cool vid, Ronnie lifts insane weight.

genrommel74 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 21, 2007, 10:46:09 AM »

LOok you morons, bbing had to evolve or it would have gotten boring and the sport would have died. And in bbing tradition bigger has always been better, you talk about arnold, scott, haney, and dorian as have very pleasing physiques, you need to remember that in there day they were the mass monsters. All those guys were the jay, and ronnie's of there day. The sport had to become better, it had to improve and size has always been the way it goes.

Livewire · « **Reply #19 on:** July 21, 2007, 02:42:40 PM »

matt C - Bodybuilding COULD have improved from 1994.

You take away gh and insulin.

Guys get more and more ripped.
Guys with better genes win.

Jason Cutler shouldn't be Mr Olympia. It should be a guy with the best genetics for shape.

Now, they give it to the BIGGEST guy - no matter how terrible his symmetry/shape is, or how soft he looks.

TroubleReady39 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 22, 2007, 08:59:10 AM »

Yeah, Dorian doesn't look good at all here.

Hulkster · « **Reply #21 on:** July 22, 2007, 09:00:29 AM »

[quoteNow, they give it to the BIGGEST guy - no matter how terrible his symmetry/shape is, or how soft he looks.][/quote]

and all that started with 94...

CT_Muscle · « **Reply #22 on:** July 22, 2007, 09:13:28 AM »

It peaked with Lee Haney, him and his fellow competitors had no GH guts

TroubleReady39 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 22, 2007, 10:52:55 AM »

Quote from: CT_Muscle on July 22, 2007, 09:13:28 AM

It peaked with Lee Haney, him and his fellow competitors had no GH guts

IMO it peaked with levrone or vince taylor, a little more advanced than haney with no guts.

gymrat3082 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 22, 2007, 01:40:41 PM »

cool vid, this years O will be a good one!!!