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Just a letter to the Brittish?

It is very clear that you make NO ATTEMPT to understand the principles and reasons behind the documents and freedoms you take at face value only.

I'm not even going to discuss this any further, I just wanted to publically discredit your bullshit.




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You are a joke...

Just like Michael Moore...

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Just a letter to the Brittish?

It is very clear that you make NO ATTEMPT to understand the principles and reasons behind the documents and freedoms you take at face value only.

I'm not even going to discuss this any further, I just wanted to publically discredit your bullshit.




You didn`t discredit a thing.

1. The Declaration of Independence is not used to decide ANY SINGLE law or right in America.  The Constitutuion is.

2. If you knew anything about history, you would know that we had the Articles of Confederation after the the Declaration of Independence.  When that failed after revisions, something had to be done.  Thus the Constitutional conventions and finally, in 1791, the US Constitution was adopted. That is a good 15 years AFTER the Declaration of Independece, a document written to protest the British.

3. You need a Middle School level civics class.

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HERE IS the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE in its short entirety.

It is a simple letter to the British highlighting the facts of secession.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

— John Hancock

New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton


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Like I said, believe what you want, but don't you dare come on here and post your garbage about the founders and a lack of belief in "god"

There are many idiots on here that don't know any better and will never take you to task.



They were secular and deists.

And back then, who wasn't religious? The founding fathers very could have been closet atheists or agnostics, and you can't disprove that.. THERE are several quotes from John Adams and Thomas Jefferson against organized faith and christianity. Of course there are quotes for religion as well..

But they were very much for seperation of church and state, gee, I wonder how that came about? The didn't mold the Constitution out of religion, but the ideas of John Locke, David Hume, Adam Smith, ancient Rome and Greece and many other people and civilizations that had little to do with faith.

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Yep, that is what our government needs to be focusing on: Steroids and dogfighting.
You're so right. Just wait until they find out that the Pitbulls and Rotts doing the fighting are all JUICED! Then the shitt will really hit the fan!
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You and Moore could work side by side.

Your understanding of the fathers is LIMITED to a middle school civics class - AND GOOGLE


You didn`t discredit a thing.

1. The Declaration of Independence is not used to decide ANY SINGLE law or right in America.  The Constitutuion is.

2. If you knew anything about history, you would know that we had the Articles of Confederation after the the Declaration of Independence.  When that failed after revisions, something had to be done.  Thus the Constitutional conventions and finally, in 1791, the US Constitution was adopted. That is a good 15 years AFTER the Declaration of Independece, a document written to protest the British.

3. You need a Middle School level civics class.

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You didn`t discredit a thing.

1. The Declaration of Independence is not used to decide ANY SINGLE law or right in America.  The Constitutuion is.

2. If you knew anything about history, you would know that we had the Articles of Confederation after the the Declaration of Independence.  When that failed after revisions, something had to be done.  Thus the Constitutional conventions and finally, in 1791, the US Constitution was adopted. That is a good 15 years AFTER the Declaration of Independece, a document written to protest the British.
3. You need a Middle School level civics class.

hence the name Declaration of Independence

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Thank YOU

"Deists hold that religious beliefs must be founded on human reason and observed features of the natural world, and that these sources reveal the existence of one God or supreme being."

They were secular and deists.

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Byrd is a fuckin' clown. Really needs to give up the ghost.

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Why is this such a debate?   Generations of the past had similar differences as generations of today.....some believe in God, some do not.

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You are a joke...

Just like Michael Moore...

What is wrong with Michael Moore?

Turned out he was correct with EVERYTHING he put forth in Farahenheit 9/11.  

and now Sicko.   There is not one single fact that is incorrect in the movie.  Check for yourself.  Please post ANY errors that you find.  
You won`t be able to.  Try anyway.  You may just learn something.

I worked for UnitedHealth and know firsthand what they do.

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TA is correct that the Declaration of Independence is a letter to the Brittish telling them that we are no longer under their rule and the reasons why.  TA is not necessarily correct that the founding father's were anti religion.  They were anti-STATE SPONSORED OR SUPPORTED religion.

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Correct,

and by "state" they meant federal government.  The actual states were free to do as they chose.

They were anti-STATE SPONSORED OR SUPPORTED religion.

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TA is correct that the Declaration of Independence is a letter to the Brittish telling them that we are no longer under their rule and the reasons why.  TA is not necessarily correct that the founding father's were anti religion.  They were anti-STATE SPONSORED OR SUPPORTED religion.
A great deal were Anti-Religion but allowed for the belief, including Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison just to name a few.

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Wow...

Dude, when you post rubbish like this, I'm not even going to bother continuing this discussion.

Later....

What is wrong with Michael Moore?

Turned out he was correct with EVERYTHING he put forth in Farahenheit 9/11.  

and now Sicko.   There is not one single fact that is incorrect in the movie.  Check for yourself.  Please post ANY errors that you find.  
You won`t be able to.  Try anyway.  You may just learn something.

I worked for UnitedHealth and know firsthand what they do.


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Correct,

and by "state" they meant federal government.  The actual states were free to do as they chose.

Not at all.

Read the first ammendment to the Constitution.

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Wow...

Dude, when you post rubbish like this, I'm not even going to bother continuing this discussion.

Later....


Why are you running away?  DEFEND your statements.  Why can`t you use FACT and EVIDENCE to try and defend your assertations about Michael Moore?

Please post one fact that he got wrong in Sicko.  Please post any innaccuracy.  You can`t just go around spouting shit without evidence and accept it as being true.


Wait, maybe you can....Its called the belief in faith.

Seriously though,  Back up your hatred for Moore with fact.  Can you do that?  I bet you can`t.

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Byrd is Speaker Pro Tempore.  If The President and the Vice die, Byrd is the president.

He is an interesting guy for sure.
LOL. That's a polite way of putting it, TA. The guy is the very definition of a 'pork barrel' politician.

/at last count there were over 200 robert byrd memorial buildings/objects/roads.  ::)


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http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

http://slate.com/id/2102723/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/MooresMyths.html
I have read through those and guess what....They are all dated 2004....Guess what, they all have been PROVEN FALSE by now.

Seriously, check each fact point for point.

Put up a fact here in question and I can show you.

Also, you won`t find any errors at all in Sicko.  Try that one too while you are at it.  I want to show you how you can use FACTS and EVIDENCE instead of emotional response and mischaraterization.


Also, why do people feel the need to attack Moore?  He is simply shedding light on big problems and fuck ups in American Society and policy.  Where is the harm in that?

Is it better to lay down and do nothing?

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You'll like the Slate article. Hitchens is one of your heroes, no?

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I have read through those and guess what....They are all dated 2004....Guess what, they all have been PROVEN FALSE by now.

Seriously, check each fact point for point.

Put up a fact here in question and I can show you.

Also, you won`t find any errors at all in Sicko.  Try that one too while you are at it.  I want to show you how you can use FACTS and EVIDENCE instead of emotional response and mischaraterization.

Also, why do people feel the need to attack Moore?  He is simply shedding light on big problems and fuck ups in American Society and policy.  Where is the harm in that?

Is it better to lay down and do nothing?

Christopher Hitchens: "To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of 'dissenting' bravery."

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http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

http://slate.com/id/2102723/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/MooresMyths.html
This is what Hitchens Contended then:

) The Bin Laden family (if not exactly Osama himself) had a close if convoluted business relationship with the Bush family, through the Carlyle Group.

2) Saudi capital in general is a very large element of foreign investment in the United States.

3) The Unocal company in Texas had been willing to discuss a gas pipeline across Afghanistan with the Taliban, as had other vested interests.

4) The Bush administration sent far too few ground troops to Afghanistan and thus allowed far too many Taliban and al-Qaida members to escape.

5) The Afghan government, in supporting the coalition in Iraq, was purely risible in that its non-army was purely American.

6) The American lives lost in Afghanistan have been wasted. (This I divine from the fact that this supposedly "antiwar" film is dedicated ruefully to all those killed there, as well as in Iraq.)



Which number is false?

Number 6 never even appears in the film.  It is true though.

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Christopher Hitchens: "To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of 'dissenting' bravery."
Where are the facts and evidence that prove Michael Moore wrong in that article?