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Hello. Great stuff GH15. Please keep them coming.
I am in a debate with a friend. In every dvd of Jay Cutler you will get the fortunate oppurtunity of watching him eat.
I say he may be able to maintain size now at this point eating as clean as he does.
But coming up and growing along the way, there is no way he could have put on his size w/out hitting a few pizzas, burgers, and a bucket of chicken wings now and then.
Do you agree or disagree?
Thanks,,,
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you dont grow on clean food period,,you rip up on it,,IF you got enough muscle mass
first couple years in gym no one follow no diet,,its your genetics,, training ,,and then steroids and other products,,the diet come later on either before or after hormones depending on where you are,, who you are,, and what you want in the sport,,
if magic happen it will happen on any diet as long as you dont eat like a fat pig,, food totally saturated fat all the time,,and as long as you started as an average size/fat% individual,,,,
whenever someone need muscle mass,,that someone got to eat! no steroid in the world will help beside food,,dont believe all the 60s and 70s guys,,they ate their mommy and daddy and then some,,they ate 3-4 meals a day,,big meals,,they didnt sit and calculated no calories like you see in the doctor franco book
only when you get to a point when you have enough muscle mass on you,,only then! you can start play with yoru diet,,till then you need to eat enough calories in addition to the hormones inorder to grow,,for some the number is 180lb for some 200lb for some 240lb the only thing that really matters is that majority of this weight will be muscle mass,,and that brings you back to training,,foundation,,hormones,,and enough calories,,and you wont get enough calories from clean food for the growth you are looking for unless you sleep eat and train with no other activity in life and have the preivilage to dedicate all your time to bodybuilding,,and its rare,,so eat big!
when cutting and preping its a diff story
* to avoid other questions,,yes if only thing you do in life is bodybuilding,,you dont work,,you are rich,,you sleep a lot,,you will be able to grow on completely clean diet,,when someone dont spend much energy he/she can grow on 3 meals a day,,even if they are clean meals
