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weekend from hell.
« on: July 23, 2007, 10:53:17 AM »
I want to take a minute to mourn/vent.  Forgive me if its something too personal.

This last weekend has come straight from the devils asshole..... and its not been pleasant.  It started Thursday morning.  My wife made the comment that our border collie was not acting right.  She'd gotten up in the middle of the night and he looked as if he was dead.  He didnt' wake up when she said his name (normally, he would have met her at the bed and walked her to the bathroom).  He just seemed out of it.  She was at home most of the morning and afternoon on Friday. She said he seemed to have these episodes of "phasing out".  She did a physical, but couldnt find anythign wrong other than he wasn't acting right. 

I got home from work about 7:30 pm.  When I got home, he was laying on the floor, but looked as if something really bad was wrong.  I don't know how to describe it, he just was not right at all.  I did a brief physical exam, when I listened to his heart, I heard about a 30 second run of premature ventricular beats--this is a serious medical condition that can result in death because the heart doesn't fill with blood the way its supposed to before beating, so in essense blood can't circulate the way it has to to maintain life.  So I loaded him up and took him to the teaching hospital where my wife was working for a general workup.  We took chest rads using my equine machine---and didnt' see much wrong, but they weren't the best films.  Blood work was normal, except his lactate was abnormal.   He seemed normal, but not right through all of this--he is a veterinarians dog, so he's had too many rads to count taken along with blood drawn.  Then he had an episode where he more or less collapsed.

We took him into the small animal ICU, where when we hooked him up to the ECG, his heart rate was over 220 and he had a continuous run of VPCs.  We repeated the chest films using the small animal machine. The only thing wrong was his heart appeared more globoid than it should.  We did a brief echocardiograph on his heart, where we discovered some fluid around the heart---whcih was enough to cause the increased heart rate and maybe the VPC's.  We decided to let the emergency specialist tap the fluid from around his heart, which went off without a hitch and he seemed to immediately get better----except for the fact that the fluid removed appeared to be blood, not fluid like we expected.   Over the course of the next hour, his heartrate again climbed and he started having a very hard time breathing.   He also started throwing long lines of VPCs.   We decided to again tap the pericardium (the fibrous tissue surrounding the heart), but this time we removed over 300 ml of blood--it appeared as if he was hemorrhaging around his heart into the sac surrounding the heart and it was looking lik we could do nothing to stop that bleeding. 

We administered a blood transfusion, gave medication to promote fibrin clot formation, gave pain meds, and started to pray hard.  We repeated the echo 45 minutes later and his heart looked as if we'd not removed any fluid at all from around it.   It times like this that my wife and I get really frustrated---we had a team of 4 boarded veterinary specialists from different specialties (including my wife who is boarded and nearly boards eligible in a second discipline), myself (I'm not boarded, but I'm boards eligable in two disciplines, working on the third), and the same number of residents and interns training to be specialists in probably the best hospital in the state and access to some of the top specialists in the world all a telephone call away and all willing to do whatever it takes to save this dogs life---and the knowledge that no matter what we do, he's going to die.    So we took him home.  He died on his favorite bed in my wifes arms at about 4:30 AM Saturday morning. 

I spent Sunday cleaning the crematorium out---we'd last cremated several wildlife and I hadn't cleaned the crematorium.  I then got the great joy of cremating my wifes best friend and cleaning out the ashes by hand with a small scoop Sunday afternoon.   


this weekend sucked.... 

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Re: weekend from hell.
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2007, 10:58:03 AM »
Very sorry for your loss.   :'(


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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2007, 11:31:06 AM »
mademe sad reading this....I'm sorry for your loss.

What is a VCP?

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Re: weekend from hell.
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2007, 11:50:23 AM »
 :'(
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2007, 12:05:41 PM »
mademe sad reading this....I'm sorry for your loss.

What is a VCP?

I believe:  VPC , ventricular premature contraction or ventricular arrhythmia of the heart.

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Re: weekend from hell.
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2007, 12:40:36 PM »
Damn Vet -- sorry for your loss :'(

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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2007, 12:45:44 PM »
Sorry to hear this terrible news Vet, I know it's got to be twice as hard since you were so closely involved with attempting to care for him.  I'm sure you have many rewarding moments in your field of work but in these times it's got to be heart wrenching.  Give our condolences to your wife.  Hang in there man.

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Re: weekend from hell.
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2007, 01:41:49 PM »
Vet... I'm so sorry for you and your wife.

What was his name?

How old was he?
and keep moving!

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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2007, 03:08:53 PM »
Thanks everyone.... he was 13 years old.  My wife and I got him as our first dog together.  He was with her through her bachelors degrees, vet school, masters, internship, residency, and lived with us through 5 states as we did all of that.... 


For those that asked a VPC is a ventricular premature contraction--basically the ventricles of the heart contract prematurely, so they do not fill with blood like they are supposed to.  This prevents the blood from circulating.   In a normal heart beat the atria fill with blood, they beat, moving the blood into the ventricles, which then beat once they are full pushing blood throughout the body.   If the ventricle beats too soon, the blood won't circulate like its supposed too.  This is a bad, bad thing. 

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2007, 03:22:55 PM »
it sucks when pets die,sorry to hear it and while it dos'nt mean shit now, as time pass's knowing it was taken care of well for those 13 years will start to become more and more of a consolation.

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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2007, 05:43:11 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2007, 05:51:12 PM »
Very sorry for you and your wife :(
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2007, 08:18:29 PM »
So very sad  :'(
My condolences to your wife and you.

You mentioned blood transfusion.  Are there doggy blood banks out there?  Do dogs have different blood types like humans?
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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2007, 05:12:40 AM »
Im sorry about your friend vet, that really sucks
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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2007, 08:04:45 AM »
So very sad  :'(
My condolences to your wife and you.

You mentioned blood transfusion.  Are there doggy blood banks out there?  Do dogs have different blood types like humans?


yes and yes. 

Most veterinary teaching hospitals--vet schools and most large referral hospitals have some sort of a blood donor program for dogs and cats and a few have them for horses and ferrets.  There are also private donors like this one:  http://www.evbb.com/index.html for dogs and cats.

Dogs basically have 7 different DEA (dog erythrocyte antigen) types.  DEA 1.1 is the one that is highly antigenic and transfusion of DEA 1.1 blood can result in development of anti-DEA 1.1 antibodies, which will lead to severe reactions with subsequent later transfusions.   Basically, you can transfuse blood the first time in dogs (NOT cats) without a problem, but blood typing is very important for subsequent transfusions.  There is no officially recognized "universal donors" in dogs. Dogs negative for DEA 1 are referred to as "universal donors" though.   The most common breed used as blood donors at veterinary teaching hospitals are off the track greyhounds--greyhounds tend to have a slightly higher red blood cell count, but any breed that meets collection criteria can be used.  My lab was DEA 1 negative.  He was used as a blood donor several times when I was in private practice (and once the dogo is healthy again, we will probably blood type him and use him as needed), until he was diagnosed with cancer.  I've gone so far during one emergency right out of vet school with a patient that had been hit by a car to put my lab up on the table and the other dog on the floor.  I basically ran a line from the labs vein straight into the collection vial straight into the IV of the other dog to save its life.   Thats totally fly by the seat of your pants medicine that probably shouldn't have worked, but that dog lived and my lab got a hamburger for laying still for half an hour.   

Just so you know, we've also used my wifes thoroughbred and my african grey as blood donors for various patients through the years.  I dont' like using the bird because blood collection is not without risk of death in birds and I will try to do what I can to avoid it, but if I don't have another donor, I will.  Its been successful so far.   

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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2007, 08:23:49 AM »
that's an awesome story about your lab donating and the other dog living...

question for you about the dogo, if you decide to use him for donating, is there any risk of him giving the skin condition (mange) to the other dogs?  reason i ask is, that's one reason we pretty much decided to have Reese spayed, for fear that she could give it to the pups.  well, that and the fact that she's not full blooded.
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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2007, 10:40:24 AM »
that's an awesome story about your lab donating and the other dog living...

question for you about the dogo, if you decide to use him for donating, is there any risk of him giving the skin condition (mange) to the other dogs?  reason i ask is, that's one reason we pretty much decided to have Reese spayed, for fear that she could give it to the pups.  well, that and the fact that she's not full blooded.

No, there is no risk with demodectic mange.  I wouldn't use him until things are resolved because mange means hes in a "weakened state" and isn't a suitable blood donor.  But you cant transfer the predosposition or the disease via blood transfusion.  all mange is caused by nearly microscopic mites.   To get it, the dogs have to have contact with the mites. 

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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2007, 09:54:46 AM »
yes and yes. 

Most veterinary teaching hospitals--vet schools and most large referral hospitals have some sort of a blood donor program for dogs and cats and a few have them for horses and ferrets.  There are also private donors like this one:  http://www.evbb.com/index.html for dogs and cats.

Dogs basically have 7 different DEA (dog erythrocyte antigen) types.  DEA 1.1 is the one that is highly antigenic and transfusion of DEA 1.1 blood can result in development of anti-DEA 1.1 antibodies, which will lead to severe reactions with subsequent later transfusions.   Basically, you can transfuse blood the first time in dogs (NOT cats) without a problem, but blood typing is very important for subsequent transfusions.  There is no officially recognized "universal donors" in dogs. Dogs negative for DEA 1 are referred to as "universal donors" though.   The most common breed used as blood donors at veterinary teaching hospitals are off the track greyhounds--greyhounds tend to have a slightly higher red blood cell count, but any breed that meets collection criteria can be used.  My lab was DEA 1 negative.  He was used as a blood donor several times when I was in private practice (and once the dogo is healthy again, we will probably blood type him and use him as needed), until he was diagnosed with cancer.  I've gone so far during one emergency right out of vet school with a patient that had been hit by a car to put my lab up on the table and the other dog on the floor.  I basically ran a line from the labs vein straight into the collection vial straight into the IV of the other dog to save its life.   Thats totally fly by the seat of your pants medicine that probably shouldn't have worked, but that dog lived and my lab got a hamburger for laying still for half an hour.   

Just so you know, we've also used my wifes thoroughbred and my african grey as blood donors for various patients through the years.  I dont' like using the bird because blood collection is not without risk of death in birds and I will try to do what I can to avoid it, but if I don't have another donor, I will.  Its been successful so far.   

I never knew that....but honestly....the thought of blood transfusion for a pet has never occurred to be nor needed.

Good to know though