PAT TILLMAN INTENTIONALLY GUNNED DOWN BY FELLOW RANGERS!

[thewickedtruth]

epic non bodybuilding related propaganda and hype.

You really think a 2300 page document is all hype? C'mon man you aren't in the least bit skeptical?

[slaveboy1980]

chaos from within! chaos walks among the uniformed terrorists.

[The Squadfather]

You really think a 2300 page document is all hype? C'mon man you aren't in the least bit skeptical?

who gives a shit, the clown was a dumb jock neanderthal meathead who stupidly passed up millions of bucks to "fight" for a greedy government who could give a shit less about him.

[thewickedtruth]

who gives a shit, the clown was a dumb jock neanderthal meathead who stupidly passed up millions of bucks to "fight" for a greedy government who could give a shit less about him.

LOL good point. Though most would consider his motives selfless and courageous. He did show the typical person what a good soldier should appear to be and what it means to sacrifice things for what you believe in. Your'e right though, I'd have stuck it out for a few mil.

[Camel Jockey]

Tillman wasn't a dumb jebus freak though.

He was an atheist and so is his family.

I guess he just got sucked into the goverment's bs.

[The Squadfather]

Tillman wasn't a dumb jebus freak though.

He was an atheist and so is his family.

I guess he just got sucked into the goverment's bs.

he was a sawed off midget jackass, plain and simple, just another undersized guy with an ego too big for his body.

[Camel Jockey]

he was a sawed off midget jackass, plain and simple, just another unsized guy with an ego too big for his body.

What will they call this?  Chris Benior syndrome?

Maybe MattT will murder someone next, he is like 5'2" afterall.

[The Squadfather]

What will they call this?  Chris Benior syndrome?

Maybe MattT will murder someone next, he is like 5'2" afterall.

hahahaha, epic Napoleonic complex.

[Camel Jockey]

hahahaha, epic Napoleonic complex.

Kiwiol is another one. Maybe he should go off to afghanistan with his mary band of samoan midgets?

[Livewire]

Maybe MattT will murder someone next, he is like 5'2" afterall.

[The Squadfather]

Kiwiol is another one. Maybe he should go off to afghanistan with his mary band of samoan midgets?

hahahaha, that little midget has some serious problems, kiwiol aka joey tito aka arvin avasu aka oracle is off his Lithium again.

[Benny B]

hahahaha, that little midget has some serious problems, kiwiol aka joey tito aka arvin avasu aka oracle is off his Lithium again.

Shut up and have another twinkie, you fat fuck. 

[The Squadfather]

Shut up and have another twinkie, you fat fuck. 

hahahaha, sounds like i got one of kiwiol's gimmicks upset.

[Archer77]

It sounds strange to me simply because of the close proximity of the shooter.  Either a scared shitless solider was firing without thinking or something isn't right.  I have no idea but when the government goes through such a deliberate and thorough process of concealment it only fuels the conspiracy theorists even if what they say doesn't have merit.  As far as Tillman yelling at someone for spazing out, Touch Shit.  That kind of stuff happens in the military.

[Thin Lizzy]

AP: New details on Tillman's death


• In his last words moments before he was killed, Tillman snapped at a panicky comrade under fire to shut up and stop "sniveling."


• No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at the scene — no one was hit by enemy fire, nor was any government equipment struck.

Seems to be a contradiction, here. They supposedly were under fire, but there was no evidence on the scene of this being the case.

[Benny B]

hahahaha, sounds like i got one of kiwiol's gimmicks upset.

Nobody's upset, you fat bastard. It just that no one wants to read your "fat boy rants" on issues where you are ill-informed and sound dumber than dirt.
In other words, shut your pie-hole. 

[Ex Coelis]

pat tillman = hero

true story

[The_Leafy_Bug]

AP: New details on Tillman's death

By MARTHA MENDOZA, AP National Writer

SAN FRANCISCO - Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman's forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player's death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.
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"The medical evidence did not match up with the, with the scenario as described," a doctor who examined Tillman's body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators.

The doctors — whose names were blacked out — said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.

Ultimately, the Pentagon did conduct a criminal investigation, and asked Tillman's comrades whether he was disliked by his men and whether they had any reason to believe he was deliberately killed. The Pentagon eventually ruled that Tillman's death at the hands of his comrades was a friendly-fire accident.

The medical examiners' suspicions were outlined in 2,300 pages of testimony released to the AP this week by the Defense Department in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.

Among other information contained in the documents:

• In his last words moments before he was killed, Tillman snapped at a panicky comrade under fire to shut up and stop "sniveling."

• Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at bay as the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire investigation that resulted in administrative, or non-criminal, punishments.

• The three-star general who kept the truth about Tillman's death from his family and the public told investigators some 70 times that he had a bad memory and couldn't recall details of his actions.

• No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at the scene — no one was hit by enemy fire, nor was any government equipment struck.

The Pentagon and the Bush administration have been criticized in recent months for lying about the circumstances of Tillman's death. The military initially told the public and the Tillman family that he had been killed by enemy fire. Only weeks later did the Pentagon acknowledge he was gunned down by fellow Rangers.

With questions lingering about how high in the Bush administration the deception reached, Congress is preparing for yet another hearing next week.

The Pentagon is separately preparing a new round of punishments, including a stinging demotion of retired Lt. Gen. Philip R. Kensinger Jr., 60, according to military officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the punishments under consideration have not been made public.

In more than four hours of questioning by the Pentagon inspector general's office in December 2006, Kensinger repeatedly contradicted other officers' testimony, and sometimes his own. He said on some 70 occasions that he did not recall something.

At one point, he said: "You've got me really scared about my brain right now. I'm really having a problem."

Tillman's mother, Mary Tillman, who has long suggested that her son was deliberately killed by his comrades, said she is still looking for answers and looks forward to the congressional hearings next week.

"Nothing is going to bring Pat back. It's about justice for Pat and justice for other soldiers. The nation has been deceived," she said.

The documents show that a doctor who autopsied Tillman's body was suspicious of the three gunshot wounds to the forehead. The doctor said he took the unusual step of calling the Army's Human Resources Command and was rebuffed. He then asked an official at the Army's Criminal Investigation Division if the CID would consider opening a criminal case.

"He said he talked to his higher headquarters and they had said no," the doctor testified.

Also according to the documents, investigators pressed officers and soldiers on a question Mrs. Tillman has been asking all along.

"Have you, at any time since this incident occurred back on April 22, 2004, have you ever received any information even rumor that Cpl. Tillman was killed by anybody within his own unit intentionally?" an investigator asked then-Capt. Richard Scott.

Scott, and others who were asked, said they were certain the shooting was accidental.

Investigators also asked soldiers and commanders whether Tillman was disliked, whether anyone was jealous of his celebrity, or if he was considered arrogant. They said Tillman was respected, admired and well-liked.

The documents also shed new light on Tillman's last moments.

It has been widely reported by the AP and others that Spc. Bryan O'Neal, who was at Tillman's side as he was killed, told investigators that Tillman was waving his arms shouting "Cease fire, friendlies, I am Pat (expletive) Tillman, damn it!" again and again.

But the latest documents give a different account from a chaplain who debriefed the entire unit days after Tillman was killed.

The chaplain said that O'Neal told him he was hugging the ground at Tillman's side, "crying out to God, help us. And Tillman says to him, `Would you shut your (expletive) mouth? God's not going to help you; you need to do something for yourself, you sniveling ..."

How do you Bush supporters like that little piece of war time propoganda. Take an American football player and gun him down and make him into a hero. Same crap with that girl that was rescued. All staged. I am repulsed by the Republican party.

[Special Ed]

Seems to be a contradiction, here. They supposedly were under fire, but there was no evidence on the scene of this being the case.

Good point Lizard. Why would Tillman be yelling at some sniveling grunt about taking fire if there was no enemy fire? Or at least, zero evidence of enemy fire.

We have a few military guys here...perhaps they can answer:

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A SITUATION IN WHICH US SOLDIERS CONSPIRE TO INJURE/KILL A FELLOW SOLDIER AND BLAME IT ON ENEMY OR ACCIDENTAL FRIENDLY FIRE?

[chainsaw]

Good point Lizard. Why would Tillman be yelling at some sniveling grunt about taking fire if there was no enemy fire? Or at least, zero evidence of enemy fire.

We have a few military guys here...perhaps they can answer:

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A SITUATION IN WHICH US SOLDIERS CONSPIRE TO INJURE/KILL A FELLOW SOLDIER AND BLAME IT ON ENEMY OR ACCIDENTAL FRIENDLY FIRE?

I did in a movie once.  It was platoon I think

[chainsaw]

It is called fratercide.  Killing of a soldier on you're own side. 

[Archer77]

Good point Lizard. Why would Tillman be yelling at some sniveling grunt about taking fire if there was no enemy fire? Or at least, zero evidence of enemy fire.

We have a few military guys here...perhaps they can answer:

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A SITUATION IN WHICH US SOLDIERS CONSPIRE TO INJURE/KILL A FELLOW SOLDIER AND BLAME IT ON ENEMY OR ACCIDENTAL FRIENDLY FIRE?

I was in the military and I have never heard of it personally.  Fortunately I have never been under combat conditions of that kind.  If Tillman was killed intentionally then that would require intensive amounts of planning and collusion on the part of army personnel.  Its probably not unheard of.  I suspect its a lot like police officers who refuse to incriminate a fellow officer.  Or something like this...  http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN2643274020070726  (short story, judge rules that fed withheld evidence in mob murder case which falsely imprisoned four people. The plaintiffs were awarded a hefty sum.)

[hifrommike]

For testimony, maybe they can play, "We Both Reached for the Gun." 

[HUGEPECS]

well, I'm glad to know that at least five people will no longer have a career in the military. Maybe there is more to come

[HUGEPECS]

Good point Lizard. Why would Tillman be yelling at some sniveling grunt about taking fire if there was no enemy fire? Or at least, zero evidence of enemy fire.

We have a few military guys here...perhaps they can answer:

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A SITUATION IN WHICH US SOLDIERS CONSPIRE TO INJURE/KILL A FELLOW SOLDIER AND BLAME IT ON ENEMY OR ACCIDENTAL FRIENDLY FIRE?

the movie "Platoon" is a good example