Author Topic: Flex claims on Johnnie jackson poundages (flex aug 2007) (Read 4236 times)

mesmorph78 · « **on:** July 28, 2007, 04:53:42 AM »

I'm not one for calling bullshit...
but
I have seen johnny jackson train on dvd repeatedly
and based on that.. i find some of these claims...
questionable
the ones that stand out in my mind are

150 dumbells shoulder presses 15 reps (he barely did 10 - 12 *properly with this on flat chest presses on bfto 2005)

200lb incline presses 8 reps (see above statement)

$:-\$
seated military presses 405 - 8 reps (branch is a stronger presser than johnie an he did even do 405 for a single n his dvd.. he was doing 375 or so in what looked like a crazy half standing incling barbell press) $:-\$
upright rows 405 pounds 8 reps(no comment) $:-\$

alternate dumbel curls 120 8- 10 reps
...
Now im not sayin johnnie isnt a strong bber....not in the leage of levrone coleman or chris cormier.. imo
but yes he is strong...
but i thing flex churning out some of the numbers are an insult to the intelligence of their readers in some respect...
I have said before and i will say again..
so far on 3 bbers have done anything close on film to what has been claimed in magazines..
coleman...cormier... levrone...
everybody is strong on paper.. but on film..
first thing they say when mitz meets them... low carb day...
5 and a half weeks out from the 2000 mr olympia.. coleman
deadlift 800 lbs 2 reps
200lb dumbell presses 12 reps flat 8 incline
495 barbell rows 10 reps
585 front squats 6 reps 12 with 495
315 for 12 military presses.
......
like coleman would say errbody stong on paper but dont no body be strong on film..
..

New Hank Wood · « **Reply #1 on:** July 28, 2007, 05:18:25 AM »

Everybody on here is sick and tired of the lies these Pros tell!

Is it something to do with this so-called-sport, that it seems to attract liars?

Oh yeah, to put it more succinctly; short men that intentionally tell untruths!

Is there a link between steroid-use and lying short men?

mesmorph78 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 28, 2007, 06:23:19 AM »

here is a video of johnny and branch doing flat dumbell presses i dont think the go over 150
6 partial.... reps with 135 dumbells for johnnie... and this is a guy who does 150 dumbell presses on shoulders for 15 reps

and 200 incline presses when he cant even handle 135 for proper reps... on the flat press properly
but according to flex he does 150 on shoulder presses 15 reps
$:-\$

alexxx · « **Reply #3 on:** July 28, 2007, 06:46:17 AM »

That was 4 reps with 585 front squats mes

But I am sure he could have done 6+ he just didn't want to risk it.

I get real disapointed watching pro bodybuilding videos. Apart from the guys you named.. the rest don't quite match up.

I think Lee Haney's video is pretty good too.

Also when Shawn Ray was dumbell pressing his bodyweight in each hand on inclines.. 150's.. that was pretty cool.

triple_pickle · « **Reply #4 on:** July 28, 2007, 06:49:39 AM »

monster bs

mesmorph78 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 28, 2007, 06:52:52 AM »

shawn ray i forgot to mention him.. he never mouthed off about weight he could move..
but he moved good weight.. with impeccable form....
definetaley not an ego trainer but had good strength

SteelePegasus · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2007, 07:05:32 AM »

after watching Unbelievable, cost of redemption and Levrone everything else sub par when it comes to strength and entertainment value.

MRMD2003 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 28, 2007, 11:09:02 AM »

mesmorph78, i agree with you. i used to train with kev at his gym in millersville, ms. i was in the battle of the O 00 tape spotting kev. the oonly other bb that was as strong or stronger is Coleman 0

The Squadfather · « **Reply #8 on:** July 28, 2007, 12:53:08 PM »

those claims are all bullshit, on BFTO 06 JOJ has trouble shoulder pressing a pair of 110's for some of the smallest reps i've ever seen, he literally presses the weight three inches for 8-10 and throws them down.

gordiano · « **Reply #9 on:** July 28, 2007, 12:57:20 PM »

Quote from: SteelePegasus on July 28, 2007, 07:05:32 AM

after watching Unbelievable, cost of redemption and Levrone everything else sub par when it comes to strength and entertainment value.

Yeah, no shit. Everything else is just "eh".

mesmorph78 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2007, 12:59:25 PM »

yes in bfto 06 shoulder presses by jackson was the shortest i have ever seem.. and he looked offseason there /.. fat...
if you can press 405 militarry...
even if they wake u up out the bed at 3am 115 dumbells you should be able to press it for 20 reps no problem..
405 is an insane weight to press on the free weight barbell... especially for 8 reps.. by yourself.. no hands on elbows nothing...
but then again he does 405 upright rows $:-\$

The Squadfather · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2007, 01:03:50 PM »

Quote from: mesmorph78 on July 28, 2007, 12:59:25 PM

yes in bfto 06 shoulder presses by jackson was the shortest i have ever seem.. and he looked offseason there /.. fat...
if you can press 405 militarry...
even if they wake u up out the bed at 3am 115 dumbells you should be able to press it for 20 reps no problem..
405 is an insane weight to press on the free weight barbell... especially for 8 reps.. by yourself.. no hands on elbows nothing...
but then again he does 405 upright rows $:-\$

yeah a strict 405 shoulder press is something that probably a handful of men in the history of the world have ever done and JOJ wants you to beleive at a bwt of what 250 offseason he does 8 reps with it? yeah ok.

HalloweenMan · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2007, 01:12:18 PM »

NEWSFLASH!!!!!
pro bodybuilders are liars.
hope that helps.

mesmorph78 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 28, 2007, 01:17:43 PM »

Quote from: The Squadfather on July 28, 2007, 01:03:50 PM

yeah a strict 405 shoulder press is something that probably a handful of men in the history of the world have ever done and JOJ wants you to beleive at a bwt of what 250 offseason he does 8 reps with it? yeah ok.

yes militarys are a bitch to do...
and based of DVD not flex pictures or words i can see johnie jackson doing that....
based on this clip of johnie benching 405

I really doubt a 405 military press for 8 ... $:-\$

MRMD2003 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 28, 2007, 02:55:08 PM »

based on that vid, there no way he can military press 405 for 8 reps.

Brutal_1 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 28, 2007, 02:58:04 PM »

I used to believe the hype when he supposedly challenged Ronnie in strength....that is until I saw a video of him doing barbell rows with 315

The guy was literally throwing the bar up using nothing but his legs (minus the calves) and momentum....worst form I'd ever seen.

I WILL give him props though...as the sloppiest training bodybuilder who hasen't been injured!!!

Props to you Johnnie

pobrecito · « **Reply #16 on:** July 28, 2007, 03:01:30 PM »

Here's Yates shoulder pressing the 150s back in 1992. He also benched over 500lbs back then.

CARTEL · « **Reply #17 on:** July 28, 2007, 03:05:49 PM »

Quote from: pobrecito on July 28, 2007, 03:01:30 PM

Here's Yates shoulder pressing the 150s back in 1992. He also benched over 500lbs back then.

Yep, the two of them are really hitting it with good form.

Brutal_1 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 28, 2007, 03:07:44 PM »

Quote from: mesmorph78 on July 28, 2007, 01:17:43 PM

yes militarys are a bitch to do...
and based of DVD not flex pictures or words i can see johnie jackson doing that....
based on this clip of johnie benching 405

I really doubt a 405 military press for 8 ... $:-\$

hahaha, just saw the video...he only did two reps, he couldn't have gotten the third one on his own.............now let me get this straight, he can do that weight for 8 in military press?!

I LOVE IT!!!

mesmorph78 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 28, 2007, 03:14:51 PM »

and upright row it for 8 reps as well..
Im not makin it up.. its in this months flex.. the did a booklet on johnnie jackson...
..
though he was leaned down in that vid.. if you can military press 405 times you should be able to bench for at anny given time and at any point of the workout carbs or no carbs..
i can military 225 ..and my bench is around the 370 - 380 mark during my workout
.. so if johniie can do 405 for 8.. ideally his bench should be near 600 .. 620?
$:-\$
yet he struggles with 135 dumbells on flat dumbell presses
$:-\$

mesmorph78 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 28, 2007, 03:19:25 PM »

how he got the title of strongest bber is beyond me..
coleman cormier levrone
on did...
bench 405 like paper
ive seen all 3 do it for no less than 10 reps.. coleman 12...
and you can tell they can go on..
hohnie is a strong deadlifter ....
thats it... he even struggled to bench 315 for 5 here...

New Hank Wood · « **Reply #21 on:** July 29, 2007, 02:06:34 AM »

There are a lot of big mouths in this sport. Lieing and shifting big weight go hand in hand, i suppose.

People like Sean Ray never bragged about the poundages they could move. For a short guy his strength was unbelievable.

It is easy to hate on Sean, but there is no denying, that pound for pound, Sean was one of strongest going around!

PS Dont respond Keith!

sgt. d · « **Reply #22 on:** July 29, 2007, 02:23:09 AM »

Maybe Flex is the one making all this up and not JJ?

New Hank Wood · « **Reply #23 on:** July 29, 2007, 03:45:15 AM »

Johnnie Jackson is full of shit, always has been! The guy is so concerned about proving himself to be a tough guy. He basically has some kind of gangsta hang-up!

Johnnie, you are just another juiced-up retard playing the numbers game. Bottom line, the industry needs modesty and honor, something like what Sean brought to the game.

Sean was strong as an ox, yet never bragged about his lifts.

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #24 on:** July 29, 2007, 07:09:32 AM »

Quote from: HalloweenMan on July 28, 2007, 01:12:18 PM

NEWSFLASH!!!!!
pro bodybuilders are liars.
hope that helps.

I'm pretty sure the magazine is to blame, not Johnnie O. I doubt the athletes have any real input into some of their articles.