Author Topic: Kai Green and IFBB's reaction to him? (Read 14367 times)

gordiano · « **Reply #25 on:** July 30, 2007, 10:04:46 AM »

Quote from: big_mal on July 30, 2007, 09:44:04 AM

do you think that if prize money was higher as well as endorsements and just all around guranteed money for the athletes, maybe they woudnt have to resort to Gay for pay or porn shit for extra income...I have seen bodybuilders (successful ones), and its not like they have the time to get full time jobs....You have carved a nitch for yourself but you are one of many...I hate that 2nd tier guys have to go all gay for pay or selling _______(you fill in the blank) just to live a comfortable lifestyle...But i think there needs to be some way to gurantee more money. A union that put pressure on supplement companies (as far as a minimum contract amount) might be start. i know its easier said than done, maybe the ifbb could step in .

Where's the money going to come from?

Which athletes are you referring to?

NO ONE is forced into the bbing lifestyle.

Who can't train, eat and hold down a real job?

NO ONE has to resort to g4p.

Option D · « **Reply #26 on:** July 30, 2007, 10:20:32 AM »

Quote from: gordiano on July 30, 2007, 10:04:46 AM

Where's the money going to come from?

Which athletes are you referring to?

NO ONE is forced into the bbing lifestyle.

Who can't train, eat and hold down a real job?

NO ONE has to resort to g4p.

Where's the money going to come from?

don’t have the answer to where the money comes from. Im sure shows don’t generate enough money to pay the athletes big like that…That’s why I said some kind of union maybe to lean on the Supplement Companies for some kind of minimum contract number…or maybe an IFBB agent who goes to bat and negotiates supplement contracts for prosWhich athletes are you referring to?
In which statement?

NO ONE is forced into the bbing lifestyle.
I know no one is forced, no one Is forced to do anything. But if they do generate money they should be compensated point blank

Who can't train, eat and hold down a real job?

You think these guys can work 40 plus hours per week, train and eat the necessary stuff to become a top level pro? If so you need to pass it on to kai. As for me, I think that its sad that if you don’t have an excellent business mind or you don’t win the huge shows, you cant really do the sport you love.

NO ONE has to resort to g4p.

Obviously there is a problem because many pros resort to off the wall crap to generate extra income. Its selling drugs, g4p and everything in-between, I think the problem is solved if they have something to really loose…and that something would be money…if money was guaranteed then they would be cautious of doing that stuff. The sport needs to be totally revamped.

triple_pickle · « **Reply #27 on:** July 30, 2007, 10:25:38 AM »

they do not "resort" to g4p, they simply like it, don't kid yourself, bb is full of homos....

jonsande · « **Reply #28 on:** July 30, 2007, 10:25:58 AM »

So what's the actual story here? What the shit is gay for pay, anyway? Did he get caught stripping or was he actually caught in the act with some dude? Someone give a little background.

Option D · « **Reply #29 on:** July 30, 2007, 10:29:12 AM »

Quote from: jonsande on July 30, 2007, 10:25:58 AM

So what's the actual story here? What the shit is gay for pay, anyway? Did he get caught stripping or was he actually caught in the act with some dude? Someone give a little background.

He has a couple of videos

online of him doing some less than savory acts...one which includes him using a grapefriut as a cock depository..

BayGBM · « **Reply #30 on:** July 30, 2007, 10:30:54 AM »

Quote from: triple_pickle on July 30, 2007, 10:25:38 AM

they do not "resort" to g4p, they simply like it, don't kid yourself, bb is full of homos....

You know too much.

Chick · « **Reply #31 on:** July 30, 2007, 10:33:46 AM »

There is no such thing as G4P...you either do or you don't.

jonsande · « **Reply #32 on:** July 30, 2007, 10:37:15 AM »

Quote from: big_mal on July 30, 2007, 10:29:12 AM

He has a couple of videos online of him doing some less than savory acts...one which includes him using a grapefriut as a cock depository..

Ugh, that's pretty creepy. That sort of reminds me of that video that's been circulating around on joke sites like Ebaum's of that guy who looks like Borat with his home-made masturbation machine.

But then again, sticking your Johnson into a grapefruit in what is undoubtedly a cheap-ass home production doesn't exactly sound like something that would bring him the big bucks. I think that he's probably doing it because he has some exhibition fetish, and like an idiot, didn't think it was going to become publically known.

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #33 on:** July 30, 2007, 11:04:13 AM »

Quote from: Chick on July 30, 2007, 09:32:33 AM

1.) IFBB's reaction-
....obviously, they cant control what people do in their spare time...

2.) My opinion-

Personally, I could care less what people do on their own time...

So if someone wanted to, say.... do a PDI show one weekend in "their spare time", both you and the IFBB are okay with it?

thisiskeith12 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 30, 2007, 11:07:27 AM »

If other pro's can get by without doing g4p, porn, etc, then why is it so rampant among active IFBB Pro's? And WHY isn't anything being done about it when it's clearly AGAINST the Code of Conduct?

Option D · « **Reply #35 on:** July 30, 2007, 11:09:26 AM »

Quote from: Chick on July 30, 2007, 10:33:46 AM

There is no such thing as G4P...you either do or you don't.

yeah...so let me ask you something...say there was a bodybuilder, Lets just say he is maybe a very strong bodybuilder…. maybe from the south like texas or something.… and he is on tape in some weird white unitard thong number knowingly dancing around for known homos…would you call him a homo, or would you say he is just doing it for the money

Option D · « **Reply #36 on:** July 30, 2007, 11:10:07 AM »

Quote from: thisiskeith12 on July 30, 2007, 11:07:27 AM

If other pro's can get by without doing g4p, porn, etc, then why is it so rampant among active IFBB Pro's? And WHY isn't anything being done about it when it's clearly AGAINST the Code of Conduct?

thats what im saying

thisiskeith12 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 30, 2007, 11:13:53 AM »

Quote from: big_mal on July 30, 2007, 11:10:07 AM

thats what im saying

Because there is no disciplinary action set forth about it. The least they could do is suspend Kai for 6 months. He'd still be able to compete next March at the Arnold.

Brutal_1 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 30, 2007, 03:25:08 PM »

Quote from: Chick on July 30, 2007, 09:32:33 AM

2.) My opinion-

Personally, I could care less what people do on their own time....from a professional standpoint, some of these athletes are lucky I aint calling the shots, because I would be far more strict on anything remotely involving porn, pics, wrestling, schmo's, etc....no other sport would (or does) tolerate such things, we should be no different.

Bump for truth!

tony dominguez · « **Reply #39 on:** July 30, 2007, 03:29:43 PM »

Quote from: Chick on July 30, 2007, 09:32:33 AM

1.) IFBB's reaction-

none that I know of....obviously, they cant control what people do in their spare time...they do have a "code of conduct" which is basically a guideline for how they believe you should conduct yourself...but unless they wanted to challenge the ACLU and other various orgs.....it is what it is.

2.) My opinion-

Personally, I could care less what people do on their own time....from a professional standpoint, some of these athletes are lucky I aint calling the shots, because I would be far more strict on anything remotely involving porn, pics, wrestling, schmo's, etc....no other sport would (or does) tolerate such things, we should be no different.

finally we get a straight answer. and a good one at that!!! i agree with Chick on what he said 100%.

Chick · « **Reply #40 on:** July 30, 2007, 03:31:22 PM »

Quote from: thisiskeith12 on July 30, 2007, 11:07:27 AM

If other pro's can get by without doing g4p, porn, etc, then why is it so rampant among active IFBB Pro's? And WHY isn't anything being done about it when it's clearly AGAINST the Code of Conduct?

It's not "rampant" amongst IFBB pro's...it few, very few....look at a list of the top 25-30 pro's, how many have actually done anything?

sgt. d · « **Reply #41 on:** July 30, 2007, 03:37:29 PM »

Quote from: Chick on July 30, 2007, 03:31:22 PM

It's not "rampant" amongst IFBB pro's...it few, very few....look at a list of the top 25-30 pro's, how many have actually done anything?

exactly

BAZZERKER · « **Reply #42 on:** July 30, 2007, 03:39:11 PM »

Quote from: dearth on July 30, 2007, 09:13:59 AM

why is flex so obsessed with peter putnam?

I so was thinking the same thing

Ron · « **Reply #43 on:** July 30, 2007, 03:48:50 PM »

At the NPC USAs, I spoke to Kai, and did ask him about the grapefruit act and other questions.

Kai himself is extremely well spoken, and he signed with Kemistry/Pinnacle, as he was in their booth all day Saturday and Sunday. Kai himself is married, his wife was with him when he won the 2007 Colorado Pro show.

Since he has gained more fame, and thus, more endorsement contracts, he is not an exotic dancer anymore, and that time has passed. But when you are a struggling competitor, making $1,500 a weekend for bacherlorette parties isnt bad. The Grapefruit was his gimmick, made the girls want more, and many exotic dancers have their own special gimmick. He isnt ashamed, but that was a phase in his life.

Kai has a tremendous career in bodybuilding ahead of him, his next competition is the 2008 Arnold Classic, where he stands to have a very good chance to make the top five.

So yes, via the internet, you can view his past exploits, but no - he is done with that.

If you go to the Olympia expo, go up to Kai, and you will see that he is humble, a great speaker, and nice to talk to, and will be an asset to the sport.

But lets go over something - many male exotic dangers dont do gay porn - get over it.

sgt. d · « **Reply #44 on:** July 30, 2007, 03:52:33 PM »

Quote from: Ron on July 30, 2007, 03:48:50 PM

At the NPC USAs, I spoke to Kai, and did ask him about the grapefruit act and other questions.

Kai himself is extremely well spoken, and he signed with Kemistry/Pinnacle, as he was in their booth all day Saturday and Sunday. Kai himself is married, his wife was with him when he won the 2007 Colorado Pro show.

Since he has gained more fame, and thus, more endorsement contracts, he is not an exotic dancer anymore, and that time has passed. But when you are a struggling competitor, making $1,500 a weekend for bacherlorette parties isnt bad. The Grapefruit was his gimmick, made the girls want more, and many exotic dancers have their own special gimmick. He isnt ashamed, but that was a phase in his life.

Kai has a tremendous career in bodybuilding ahead of him, his next competition is the 2008 Arnold Classic, where he stands to have a very good chance to make the top five.

So yes, via the internet, you can view his past exploits, but no - he is done with that.

If you go to the Olympia expo, go up to Kai, and you will see that he is humble, a great speaker, and nice to talk to, and will be an asset to the sport.

But lets go over something - many male exotic dangers dont do gay porn - get over it.

ha ha i cant believe you asked him about the fruit incident

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #45 on:** July 30, 2007, 04:05:57 PM »

married hahaha like that stops a pervert

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #46 on:** July 30, 2007, 04:36:12 PM »

Quote from: Chick on July 30, 2007, 09:32:33 AM

1.) IFBB's reaction-

none that I know of....obviously, they cant control what people do in their spare time...they do have a "code of conduct" which is basically a guideline for how they believe you should conduct yourself...but unless they wanted to challenge the ACLU and other various orgs.....it is what it is.

2.) My opinion-

Personally, I could care less what people do on their own time....from a professional standpoint, some of these athletes are lucky I aint calling the shots, because I would be far more strict on anything remotely involving porn, pics, wrestling, schmo's, etc....no other sport would (or does) tolerate such things, we should be no different.

THEN TELL THWE IFBB TO FOLLOW THIER RULES AND CODE OF CONDUCT........EASY FIX......THEY HAVE THE BOOK TELL THEM TO FOLLOW IT...FOR ALL NOT JUST ME....

Vince G, CSN MFT · « **Reply #47 on:** July 30, 2007, 07:01:33 PM »

Quote from: Lee_a_priest on July 30, 2007, 04:36:12 PM

THEN TELL THWE IFBB TO FOLLOW THIER RULES AND CODE OF CONDUCT........EASY FIX......THEY HAVE THE BOOK TELL THEM TO FOLLOW IT...FOR ALL NOT JUST ME....

Lee, the difference between you and Kai are that you've been asking for it for a long time. Called Joe Weider an old coot, said on the cover Fuck the Olympia with your middle finger and basically acted like some asshole

You wanted to be a rebel and you got what you want. Deal with it.

Kai did what he had to do to survive because he was basically homeless and had no money. Two years ago, all he had was a cooler full a food and basically on the streets doing a show. Now that he's got a contract, he doesn't do it anymore. Big difference

EbBnFlO · « **Reply #48 on:** July 30, 2007, 07:07:35 PM »

seems sort of 1 sided.using the rules to weed out whom you don't want and to be ignored or overlooked when it involves a person of interest or friend.

dearth · « **Reply #49 on:** July 30, 2007, 07:13:36 PM »

Quote from: Chick on July 30, 2007, 09:32:33 AM

1.) IFBB's reaction-

none that I know of....obviously, they cant control what people do in their spare time...they do have a "code of conduct" which is basically a guideline for how they believe you should conduct yourself...but unless they wanted to challenge the ACLU and other various orgs.....it is what it is.

what is that chick, a selectively enforced farce?