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Islamophobia (article by Dennis Prager)
« on: July 31, 2007, 02:00:51 PM »
Mods, I wasn't sure if I could post this article here, so feel free to delete it if you feel it doesn't belong on this thread.  I already have it on the Religious Thread. 

Why ‘Islamophobia’ is a brilliant term
By Dennis Prager

http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | What do anti-Semitism, racism and Islamophobia have in common?


In fact, nothing.

But according to Islamist groups, Western media and the United Nations, they have everything in common. Anti-Semites hate all Jews, racists hate all members of another race, and Islamophobes hates all Muslims.

Whoever coined the term "Islamophobia" was quite shrewd. Notice the intellectual sleight of hand here. The term is not "Muslim-phobia" or "anti-Muslimist," it is Islam-ophobia — fear of Islam — yet fear of Islam is in no way the same as hatred of all Muslims. One can rightly or wrongly fear Islam, or more usually, aspects of Islam, and have absolutely no bias against all Muslims, let alone be a racist.

The equation of Islamophobia with racism is particularly dishonest. Muslims come in every racial group, and Islam has nothing to do with race. Nevertheless, mainstream Western media, Islamist groups calling themselves Muslim civil liberties groups and various Western organizations repeatedly declare that Islamophobia is racism.

To cite three of innumerable examples: The Guardian published an opinion piece titled, "Islamophobia should be as unacceptable as racism"; the European Union has established the European Monitoring Center for Racism and Xenophobia; and the B'nai B'rith Anti-Defamation Commission of Australia notes that "Muslims have also been the target of racism in Australia, often referred to as Islamophobia."

Even granting that there are people who fear Islam, how does that in any way correlate with racism? If fear of an ideology rendered one racist, all those who fear conservatism or liberalism should be considered racist.

Of course, some may argue that whereas conservatism and liberalism are ideas, Islam is a religion, and while one can attack ideas, one must not attack religions. It is, however, quite insulting to religions to deny that they are ideas. Religions are certainly more than ideas — they are theological belief systems — but they are also ideas about how society should be run just as much as liberalism and conservatism are. Therefore, Islam, or Christianity, or Judaism, or Buddhism should be just as subject to criticism as conservatism or liberalism.

However, the only religion the West permits criticism of is Christianity. People write books, give lectures and conduct seminars on the falsity of Christian claims, or on the immoral record of Christianity, and no one attacks them for racism or bigotry, let alone attacks them physically. The head of the Anti-Defamation League announces that conservative Christians are the greatest threat to America today, and no one charges him with racism or Christianophobia.

The statement may be an expression of hysteria and of ignorance, but not of racism. But if one says that Islam does not appear compatible with democracy or that the Islamic treatment of women is inferior to the West's, he or she is labeled a racist Islamophobe.

One might counter that maligning people for criticism is not only true of those who criticize Islam, it is also true of critics of Israel and of America — the former, it is said, are immediately labeled "anti-Semitic" and the latter are immediately labeled "unpatriotic." Neither is true at all. Both are, and I use this word rarely, lies.

No one is labeled anti-Semitic for merely criticizing Israel. People are labeled anti-Semitic for denying Israel's right to exist, for siding with those who wish to exterminate it or for singling out the Jewish state alone among all the nations of the world for attacks that most other countries deserve far more.

And no one in any responsible capacity has called anyone "unpatriotic" just for criticizing America. Sen. Hillary Clinton claimed during the last Democratic presidential debate that the Defense Department called her "unpatriotic" for asking whether the Defense Department has a plan to withdraw American troops from Iraq. Yet the term "unpatriotic" was not only not used in the response to the senator, it was not even hinted at.

The fact remains that the term "Islamophobia" has one purpose — to suppress any criticism, legitimate or not, of Islam. And given the cowardice of the Western media, and the collusion of the left in banning any such criticism (while piling it on Christianity and Christians), it is working.

Latest proof: This past week a man in New York was charged with two felonies for what is being labeled the hate crime of putting a Koran in a toilet at Pace College. Not misdemeanors, mind you, felonies. Meanwhile, the man who put a crucifix in a jar of urine continues to have his artwork — "Piss Christ" — displayed at galleries and museums. A Koran in a toilet is a hate crime; a crucifix in pee is a work of art. Thanks in part to that brilliant term, "Islamophobia."

JWR contributor Dennis Prager hosts a national daily radio show based in Los Angeles. He the author of, most recently, "Happiness is a Serious Problem". 

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Re: Islamophobia (article by Dennis Prager)
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2007, 03:09:53 PM »
He seems to make some good points.

However if the mainstream religion is this country was Islam you'd see the same double standards you see with Christianity now.  It's the burden the majority must carry.  And the burden the minority must always fight for.

Not that's it's right actually.

I think if you put a koran in a jar of urine in an art gallery you'd have no problem claiming it was art.

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Re: Islamophobia (article by Dennis Prager)
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2007, 04:54:10 PM »
It'll stretch and go beyond literally fearing islam.

You don't want to lable anyone.

It's like the n word.. Maybe it can be used to describe stereotypical blacks, but is it a term you want to be using liberally?


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Re: Islamophobia (article by Dennis Prager)
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2007, 05:45:54 PM »
 There was this show on today. About Ancient Marvels. There was this Iraqi inventor by the name of Al- Jahari (sp), a lot of his inventions, were so advanced, that Europe had nothing  like it. As a matter of fact Muslims were responsible for the first torpedo.

SO, all these people who have Islamophia, need to realize that Islams was practiced "correctly", Muslims were leaders in technology and innovations.

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Re: Islamophobia (article by Dennis Prager)
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2007, 02:54:56 AM »
There was this show on today. About Ancient Marvels. There was this Iraqi inventor by the name of Al- Jahari (sp), a lot of his inventions, were so advanced, that Europe had nothing  like it. As a matter of fact Muslims were responsible for the first torpedo.

SO, all these people who have Islamophia, need to realize that Islams was practiced "correctly", Muslims were leaders in technology and innovations.

Islam gave society so much it's not even funny. Even our numeric system 'Arabic numerals' 12345678910.
That proved to be much more manageable than the current Roam system at the time IIIIIIIVVVIVIIVIIIIXX.
Architecture, Science, Technology, it's mind blowing. Including alcohol.
Islam sought knowledge while Europe was at the same time was embroiled in ignorance and superstition.
Infact, it was the knowledge gleaned from Islamic higher schools of learning that enabled Europe to experience her renaissance.
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Re: Islamophobia (article by Dennis Prager)
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2007, 08:43:18 AM »
Yeah.....sorry its myth or at the very least an over simplification of the truth. They have'nt done a damm thing but cause murder and mayhem since the 1300's. All the good will from all their "advcancements" ran out a long time ago. Stop apologizing for worthless, murdering scum.

The myth of an Islamic Golden Age is needed by Islam’s apologists to save it from being damned by its present squalid condition; to prove, as it were, that there is more to Islam than the terrorism of Bin Laden and the decadence of the oil sheiks. It is, frankly, a confession that if the world judges it by what it is today, it comes up rather short, being a religion that has yet to produce a democratic or prosperous society, or social and cultural forms admired by neutral foreign observers the way anyone can admire American freedom, Japanese order, Israeli courage, or Italian style.



http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm?frm=4205&sec_id=4205
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={5BB95390-5AA5-4F74-ACD5-BCCE6E77931C}

The Dependence of Muslim Civilization on Christian Antiquity

Commentators often speak of the glorious Islamic Empire, with its vast wealth, unique art, and spectacular architecture. Did this wealth have something to do with the greatness of the Islamic Civilization? Or was the Islamic Empire rich because it pillaged pre-existing civilizations? Bat Ye'or argues in her book, "From Jihad to Dhimmitude," that Islamic civilization borrowed from the Christian civilizations it conquered.

"Scribes, secretaries, treasurers, accountants, craftsmen, peasants, doctors, scholars, diplomats, translators, and politicians, the Christians formed the base, the texture, the elite, and the sinews of the Muslim Empire. Without the collaboration of Christians, the creation and expansion of this empire may not have been possible. The conquered Christians placed all the resources -- all the proficiencies, the accumulation of technical skills, and sciences built up by earlier civilizations -- at the service of nomad chiefs or semi-nomad Arabs and later gave them to the Turks. Islamic literature, science, art, philosophy, and jurisprudence were born and developed not in Arabia, within an exclusively Arab and Muslim population, but in the midst of the conquered peoples..."

For the first centuries of the Islamic Empire, the majority of the population was comprised of highly skilled Christians ruled by a minority of Arab Muslims. During this time the productive people did what they had done for centuries -- they built, they traded, they created wealth. Asthe dhimmi population declined through conversion, emigration, and mass execution, so did the vitality and glory of the Islamic Empire. Without the Byzantine architects, Armenian merchants, Greek craftsmen, and Egyptian peasantry, the Islamic world became the poverty-stricken place it is today; one that differs little from the Arabia of the seventh century. In a sense the Muslim world didn't decline. Rather, as the Christians declined it simply returned to its barbarian roots.

Summoned up...the rags inherited a large portion of this so-called Golden age as apposed to creating it. WORTHLESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSS
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Re: Islamophobia (article by Dennis Prager)
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2007, 10:28:52 AM »
Yeah.....sorry its myth or at the very least an over simplification of the truth. They have'nt done a damm thing but cause murder and mayhem since the 1300's. All the good will from all their "advcancements" ran out a long time ago. Stop apologizing for worthless, murdering scum.

The myth of an Islamic Golden Age is needed by Islam’s apologists to save it from being damned by its present squalid condition; to prove, as it were, that there is more to Islam than the terrorism of Bin Laden and the decadence of the oil sheiks. It is, frankly, a confession that if the world judges it by what it is today, it comes up rather short, being a religion that has yet to produce a democratic or prosperous society, or social and cultural forms admired by neutral foreign observers the way anyone can admire American freedom, Japanese order, Israeli courage, or Italian style.



http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm?frm=4205&sec_id=4205
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={5BB95390-5AA5-4F74-ACD5-BCCE6E77931C}

The Dependence of Muslim Civilization on Christian Antiquity

Commentators often speak of the glorious Islamic Empire, with its vast wealth, unique art, and spectacular architecture. Did this wealth have something to do with the greatness of the Islamic Civilization? Or was the Islamic Empire rich because it pillaged pre-existing civilizations? Bat Ye'or argues in her book, "From Jihad to Dhimmitude," that Islamic civilization borrowed from the Christian civilizations it conquered.

"Scribes, secretaries, treasurers, accountants, craftsmen, peasants, doctors, scholars, diplomats, translators, and politicians, the Christians formed the base, the texture, the elite, and the sinews of the Muslim Empire. Without the collaboration of Christians, the creation and expansion of this empire may not have been possible. The conquered Christians placed all the resources -- all the proficiencies, the accumulation of technical skills, and sciences built up by earlier civilizations -- at the service of nomad chiefs or semi-nomad Arabs and later gave them to the Turks. Islamic literature, science, art, philosophy, and jurisprudence were born and developed not in Arabia, within an exclusively Arab and Muslim population, but in the midst of the conquered peoples..."

For the first centuries of the Islamic Empire, the majority of the population was comprised of highly skilled Christians ruled by a minority of Arab Muslims. During this time the productive people did what they had done for centuries -- they built, they traded, they created wealth. Asthe dhimmi population declined through conversion, emigration, and mass execution, so did the vitality and glory of the Islamic Empire. Without the Byzantine architects, Armenian merchants, Greek craftsmen, and Egyptian peasantry, the Islamic world became the poverty-stricken place it is today; one that differs little from the Arabia of the seventh century. In a sense the Muslim world didn't decline. Rather, as the Christians declined it simply returned to its barbarian roots.

Summoned up...the rags inherited a large portion of this so-called Golden age as apposed to creating it. WORTHLESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSS
Thanks for the links, HH6

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Re: Islamophobia (article by Dennis Prager)
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2007, 10:54:53 AM »
Islam gave society so much it's not even funny. Even our numeric system 'Arabic numerals' 12345678910.
That proved to be much more manageable than the current Roam system at the time IIIIIIIVVVIVIIVIIIIXX.
Architecture, Science, Technology, it's mind blowing. Including alcohol.
Islam sought knowledge while Europe was at the same time was embroiled in ignorance and superstition.
Infact, it was the knowledge gleaned from Islamic higher schools of learning that enabled Europe to experience her renaissance.

Let's keep this in perspective:  The Islamic culture and the European culture both used technologies from each other. 

Also a numeric system is just a way to name units of measurement.  If they didn't use Arabic numerals they would have found or developed something else better then roman numerals.

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Re: Islamophobia (article by Dennis Prager)
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2007, 11:24:02 AM »
Sure....but at this point we could all say, sure they did have a positive affect on the world..prior to 1300. So now what....700 plus years of bloodshed and misery later, we're supposed to give a damm. It we can clearly admit what the problem is, we can fix the problem and get on with it. Muslims have become the problem. Those who wage war need to be killed, those who live in poverty need to be educated etc and helped.
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Re: Islamophobia (article by Dennis Prager)
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2007, 11:43:28 AM »
Sure....but at this point we could all say, sure they did have a positive affect on the world..prior to 1300. So now what....700 plus years of bloodshed and misery later, we're supposed to give a damm. It we can clearly admit what the problem is, we can fix the problem and get on with it. Muslims have become the problem. Those who wage war need to be killed, those who live in poverty need to be educated etc and helped.

I agree with what you said except that Muslims are not the problem.   Radical Islamic Muslims are the problem........the ones that want women to be circumsized and all men to have beards or they get executed and everybody be goat herders. 

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Re: Islamophobia (article by Dennis Prager)
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2007, 12:38:21 PM »
There was this show on today. About Ancient Marvels. There was this Iraqi inventor by the name of Al- Jahari (sp), a lot of his inventions, were so advanced, that Europe had nothing  like it. As a matter of fact Muslims were responsible for the first torpedo.

SO, all these people who have Islamophia, need to realize that Islams was practiced "correctly", Muslims were leaders in technology and innovations.

This middle east was well ahead of Europe back in the old days. They had the first number system if I recall and a bunch of other things. The thing is they haven't evolved in the last 2000 years since they made those advancements, while the rest of the world has. That's their problem.

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Re: Islamophobia (article by Dennis Prager)
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2007, 08:21:27 AM »
Islam gave society so much it's not even funny. Even our numeric system 'Arabic numerals' 12345678910.
That proved to be much more manageable than the current Roam system at the time IIIIIIIVVVIVIIVIIIIXX.
Architecture, Science, Technology, it's mind blowing. Including alcohol.
Islam sought knowledge while Europe was at the same time was embroiled in ignorance and superstition.
Infact, it was the knowledge gleaned from Islamic higher schools of learning that enabled Europe to experience her renaissance.

go figure...  whys is that you must always take a anti-american stance on every issue.  Your utopian dreams are just that...dreams.  This world and this country will never be perfect, hope this helps...

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Re: Islamophobia (article by Dennis Prager)
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2007, 02:03:24 PM »
I agree with what you said except that Muslims are not the problem.   Radical Islamic Muslims are the problem........the ones that want women to be circumsized and all men to have beards or they get executed and everybody be goat herders. 

I also think oil is the problem for them as well.  Many of the families that control the oil have not invested in education, technolgies, or  other sources for their economy. They are strickly geared towards OIL, OIL Production, OIL refining. There for they have become complacent, and their cultured has suffered. As the world moves on, the general populace in these countries grow frustrated  and lash out due to that and their own ignorance, and the only thing they can hold onto is Islam, that is the one thing that they can identify with. So they take up the cause for Palestine and fundemental Islam, but not demanding that their own countries provide them with the resources to compete with other countries.

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Re: Islamophobia (article by Dennis Prager)
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2007, 04:29:59 PM »
Very true...The Saudi Royal family is an example, but since we need em (I guess) we prop them up. Despite a horrible human rights record. Our only real solution is to get off the oil. Short of that we're trapped.
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