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'Rough' Diamonds
« on: August 01, 2007, 06:28:47 AM »
That's Quite a Rock
'Rough' diamonds -- some looking more like gravel than gems -- edge into the jewelry market

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By YING WU
July 28, 2007; Page P1

From Tiffany to De Beers, a new look in diamond jewelry is on the rise: uncut diamonds that to the untrained eye can look more like gravel than gems.

Known as rough diamonds, these are the stones in their natural state, before they've been cut with the facets that give diamonds the sparkle, brilliance and clarity they are known for. In colors from milky white to yellow, green and brown, the large, uneven stones often have a cloudy appearance.

For jewelers, these stones have another appealing quality: The wholesale cost of uncut diamonds is far below that of cut and polished gems. Yet some customers are proving willing to pay tens of thousands of dollars for them.

At De Beers's three U.S. stores, which started offering rough-diamond jewelry two years ago, one of every five pieces sold now features rough diamonds. A $45,000 rough-diamond necklace is displayed prominently in the window of the company's Fifth Avenue store in New York. Meanwhile, Bergdorf Goodman added rough diamonds to its jewelry selection last September. Retail prices for rough-diamond jewelry vary considerably, from $600 for a small uncut diamond set in a stainless steel ring at De Beers to $750,000 one-of-a-kind necklace of pearls and rough diamonds by Frank Gehry at Tiffany.

But because some of the usual key standards for assessing a diamond's value, such as cut and clarity, don't apply to uncut stones, it can be tough for consumers to evaluate pricing. "It's pretty much a blind purchase for consumers," says Tom Moses, a senior vice president at Gemological Institute of America, which set the widely used "4C" standards (cut, color, carat and clarity) for cut diamonds. The institute doesn't have a system for evaluating uncut diamonds.

Diamonds have long been marketed for their timeless style in the world of luxury goods. But in a time of quickening fashion cycles and a craving for the new and different, even the diamond industry has begun looking for novel products. In recent years, colored diamonds, in shades like yellow and pink, have become more popular.

 
• Diamond Sales Sparkle Online: High-end brands like De Beers are rethinking their traditional in-store only stanceIndustry observers say the uncut diamonds are being marketed to a subset of customers who increasingly want things that are both exclusive and subtle, conveying status only to people in the know. "Luxury consumers are maturing "beyond the 'look at me' phase," says Milton Pedraza, chief executive of the Luxury Institute, a market-research firm. The rough stones also tap into the current popularity of all things natural in the fashion market.

"It's a fashion twist on diamonds," says Lisa Kazor, senior vice president of precious jewelry at Neiman Marcus, likening the trend to black diamonds, which first appeared on the market eight years ago.

Many rough-cut diamonds used in jewelry are unsuitable for cutting because of their shape or flaws in the stone. In some cases, a potentially cuttable rough stone is selected for a piece of jewelry because it has an unusual shape in its uncut form. Generally, however, experts wouldn't advise consumers to consider cutting into a rough diamond they've bought in a piece of jewelry: The odds of finding a valuable cut diamond inside are fairly low.

Rough diamonds still represent only a tiny portion of the market for diamond jewelry. Last year, consumers around the world spent $68 billion on diamond jewelry, says Ken Gassman, president of the Jewelry Industry Research Institute. He estimates that sales of jewelry made with rough diamonds amounted to a few hundred million dollars at most.

The rise of a company called Diamond in the Rough reflects the growing popularity of uncut diamonds. Four years ago, the company began selling rough-diamond jewelry pieces online at prices of $500 to $1,200. But sales took off last year when the company decided to relaunch with new jewelry designs using bigger stones -- at higher prices. It showed its new collection at a jewelry trade show in Las Vegas last year, where it attracted significant attention from retailers, according to Anjanette Clisura, the company's president. Now the company's pieces, which only use diamonds of five carats or more, sell at Bergdorf Goodman and Neiman Marcus for prices starting at $5,000 and averaging about $35,000. Diamond in the Rough expects sales this year to double to $5 million.

The profit-margin advantage can be substantial for jewelers. Jewelers pay about $8,000 for a high-quality one-carat polished white diamond, according to Ronnie Friedman, president of the Diamond Manufacturers and Importers Association of the U.S. Prices vary much more for rough diamonds on the wholesale market, with some selling for as little as $50 a carat and others costing several thousand dollars per carat, depending on the color and quality, experts say. Retail prices for rough diamonds also vary, but for a sense of the cost relative to cut diamonds, consider a 5-carat rough diamond set in a white-gold ring with pave diamond accents by Diamond in the Rough, which sells for $33,000. Under the industry rule of thumb, a rough diamond of that size could be expected to yield a cut diamond of half its weight -- about 2.5 carats, which in a ring would retail for an average of $40,000. A fairly high-quality, 5-carat cut diamond could cost $160,000 or more.

Designers say the high price tags are justified by the uniqueness of the stones and the designs. Uncut diamonds are also often adorned with smaller polished ones for contrast and extra sparkle.

Some shoppers say they're willing to pay more for jewelry that looks unusual. Penny Waller, an artist in California, says she recently spent $15,000 on three rough diamond rings from designer Todd Reed. "There is a little magic" in a stone that is "untouched, in its natural state," she says.


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Todd Reed Pyramid Ring
Price: $20,000
Comment: A 9.19-carat rough diamond with princess-cut and rough diamonds set into the yellow-gold band.
Diamond in the Rough Necklace
Price: $34,000
Comment: Necklace with five rough diamonds, totaling 20.27 carats, in a pink-gold setting.
DeBeers Babylon Medallion
Price: $45,000
Comment: The medallion, from the Talisman Collection, is set in white gold with 12.15 carats of rough and polished diamonds.Among major diamond retailers, De Beers was an early promoter of rough diamonds. Two years ago, the company launched its Talisman collection, a line of jewelry featuring uncut diamonds, sometimes mixed with polished stones. The company says its Talisman pieces, which range in price from $400 to $700,000, are among its top sellers.
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2007, 06:50:33 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2007, 07:13:46 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2007, 07:14:35 AM »
they call it a 'rough cut' ..... which makes no sense cause there is no 'cut'.......
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2007, 07:33:57 AM »
they call it a 'rough cut' ..... which makes no sense cause there is no 'cut'.......
Well, maybe it starts out a lot bigger and they just rough cut it into smaller pieces for the ugly jewelry.











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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2007, 10:43:25 AM »
That's Quite a Rock
'Rough' diamonds -- some looking more like gravel than gems -- edge into the jewelry market

(wsj.com)
By YING WU
July 28, 2007; Page P1

From Tiffany to De Beers, a new look in diamond jewelry is on the rise: uncut diamonds that to the untrained eye can look more like gravel than gems.

Known as rough diamonds, these are the stones in their natural state, before they've been cut with the facets that give diamonds the sparkle, brilliance and clarity they are known for. In colors from milky white to yellow, green and brown, the large, uneven stones often have a cloudy appearance.

For jewelers, these stones have another appealing quality: The wholesale cost of uncut diamonds is far below that of cut and polished gems. Yet some customers are proving willing to pay tens of thousands of dollars for them.

At De Beers's three U.S. stores, which started offering rough-diamond jewelry two years ago, one of every five pieces sold now features rough diamonds. A $45,000 rough-diamond necklace is displayed prominently in the window of the company's Fifth Avenue store in New York. Meanwhile, Bergdorf Goodman added rough diamonds to its jewelry selection last September. Retail prices for rough-diamond jewelry vary considerably, from $600 for a small uncut diamond set in a stainless steel ring at De Beers to $750,000 one-of-a-kind necklace of pearls and rough diamonds by Frank Gehry at Tiffany.

But because some of the usual key standards for assessing a diamond's value, such as cut and clarity, don't apply to uncut stones, it can be tough for consumers to evaluate pricing. "It's pretty much a blind purchase for consumers," says Tom Moses, a senior vice president at Gemological Institute of America, which set the widely used "4C" standards (cut, color, carat and clarity) for cut diamonds. The institute doesn't have a system for evaluating uncut diamonds.

Diamonds have long been marketed for their timeless style in the world of luxury goods. But in a time of quickening fashion cycles and a craving for the new and different, even the diamond industry has begun looking for novel products. In recent years, colored diamonds, in shades like yellow and pink, have become more popular.

 
• Diamond Sales Sparkle Online: High-end brands like De Beers are rethinking their traditional in-store only stanceIndustry observers say the uncut diamonds are being marketed to a subset of customers who increasingly want things that are both exclusive and subtle, conveying status only to people in the know. "Luxury consumers are maturing "beyond the 'look at me' phase," says Milton Pedraza, chief executive of the Luxury Institute, a market-research firm. The rough stones also tap into the current popularity of all things natural in the fashion market.

"It's a fashion twist on diamonds," says Lisa Kazor, senior vice president of precious jewelry at Neiman Marcus, likening the trend to black diamonds, which first appeared on the market eight years ago.

Many rough-cut diamonds used in jewelry are unsuitable for cutting because of their shape or flaws in the stone. In some cases, a potentially cuttable rough stone is selected for a piece of jewelry because it has an unusual shape in its uncut form. Generally, however, experts wouldn't advise consumers to consider cutting into a rough diamond they've bought in a piece of jewelry: The odds of finding a valuable cut diamond inside are fairly low.

Rough diamonds still represent only a tiny portion of the market for diamond jewelry. Last year, consumers around the world spent $68 billion on diamond jewelry, says Ken Gassman, president of the Jewelry Industry Research Institute. He estimates that sales of jewelry made with rough diamonds amounted to a few hundred million dollars at most.

The rise of a company called Diamond in the Rough reflects the growing popularity of uncut diamonds. Four years ago, the company began selling rough-diamond jewelry pieces online at prices of $500 to $1,200. But sales took off last year when the company decided to relaunch with new jewelry designs using bigger stones -- at higher prices. It showed its new collection at a jewelry trade show in Las Vegas last year, where it attracted significant attention from retailers, according to Anjanette Clisura, the company's president. Now the company's pieces, which only use diamonds of five carats or more, sell at Bergdorf Goodman and Neiman Marcus for prices starting at $5,000 and averaging about $35,000. Diamond in the Rough expects sales this year to double to $5 million.

The profit-margin advantage can be substantial for jewelers. Jewelers pay about $8,000 for a high-quality one-carat polished white diamond, according to Ronnie Friedman, president of the Diamond Manufacturers and Importers Association of the U.S. Prices vary much more for rough diamonds on the wholesale market, with some selling for as little as $50 a carat and others costing several thousand dollars per carat, depending on the color and quality, experts say. Retail prices for rough diamonds also vary, but for a sense of the cost relative to cut diamonds, consider a 5-carat rough diamond set in a white-gold ring with pave diamond accents by Diamond in the Rough, which sells for $33,000. Under the industry rule of thumb, a rough diamond of that size could be expected to yield a cut diamond of half its weight -- about 2.5 carats, which in a ring would retail for an average of $40,000. A fairly high-quality, 5-carat cut diamond could cost $160,000 or more.

Designers say the high price tags are justified by the uniqueness of the stones and the designs. Uncut diamonds are also often adorned with smaller polished ones for contrast and extra sparkle.

Some shoppers say they're willing to pay more for jewelry that looks unusual. Penny Waller, an artist in California, says she recently spent $15,000 on three rough diamond rings from designer Todd Reed. "There is a little magic" in a stone that is "untouched, in its natural state," she says.


Left to Right in the bottom pic
Todd Reed Pyramid Ring
Price: $20,000
Comment: A 9.19-carat rough diamond with princess-cut and rough diamonds set into the yellow-gold band.
Diamond in the Rough Necklace
Price: $34,000
Comment: Necklace with five rough diamonds, totaling 20.27 carats, in a pink-gold setting.
DeBeers Babylon Medallion
Price: $45,000
Comment: The medallion, from the Talisman Collection, is set in white gold with 12.15 carats of rough and polished diamonds.Among major diamond retailers, De Beers was an early promoter of rough diamonds. Two years ago, the company launched its Talisman collection, a line of jewelry featuring uncut diamonds, sometimes mixed with polished stones. The company says its Talisman pieces, which range in price from $400 to $700,000, are among its top sellers.




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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2007, 11:04:06 AM »
You don't have to my dear.  That's not the kind I want anyway.   ;D
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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2007, 12:27:28 PM »



A kiss on the hand may be quite continental
But diamonds are a girl's best friend.
A kiss may be grand,
But it won't pay the rental on your humble flat or help
You at the automat
Men grown cold as girls grow old,
And we all lose our charms in the end.
But square-cut or pear-shape,

These rocks don't lose their shape
Diamonds are a girl's best friend.
Diamonds are a girl's best friend.

Let's rock

There may come a time when a lass needs a lawyer
diamonds are a girl's best friend.

There may be a time when a hard boiled employer
Thinks you're awful nice
but get that ice or else no dice.
He's your guy when stocks are high,
but beware when they start to descend
It's then that those louses go back to their spouses
Diamonds are a girl's best friend.
Diamonds are a girl's best friend

Let rock again

Diamonds are a girl's best friend.
Diamonds are a girl's best friend
Diamonds are a girl's best friend
Diamonds are a girl's best friend
Diamonds are a girl's best friend
Diamonds are a girl's best friend

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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2007, 05:57:42 AM »
I'm not crazy about Ice. Only time its ever impressed me is in Amsterdam, where the jewelers have multilevel
mirror plates built sort of like a wedding cake. The mirrors get smaller the higher up. Like4-5 levels.
FILLED W/  GLITTERING DIAMONDS!! :D ;)    They aim a spot light on them. I tell ya, it will stop you in your tracks when you first see one!

Raw stones? Lets go to Ma Sai /  Thailacheck Burma at the border. Raw Rubies look like red rock candy.
Ive seen the ppl sell them to the dealers there. They size and grade them. Its cool.
Sweet. Oh, they do shoot RPG's & automatic weapons at each other there now and then..
THe map shows a dashed line that says "Sensative border area". 8)

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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2007, 09:05:58 AM »
I can see the infomercials on TV now...
Cheap men around the world rejoice!!
Walk out into the back alley and grab a stone and shape it a little with your Dremel Roto tool and viola, A Rough Cut Diamond!!  Your women will love you for it.


What an ugly piece of jewerly.  I'll take mine shiny thank you. 
BIG and shiny actually  ;D
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2007, 09:54:13 AM »
I think there's a tourist attraction ...some theme park or other down in the USA that lets people go in and search for rough diamonds. They get to keep whatever they find too. If the trend of rough diamonds ever catches on, ...do you think they'd close down the theme park and turn it into a profit producing mine?
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2007, 09:59:47 AM »
I think there's a tourist attraction ...some theme park or other down in the USA that lets people go in and search for rough diamonds. They get to keep whatever they find too. If the trend of rough diamonds ever catches on, ...do you think they'd close down the theme park and turn it into a profit producing mine?

There's several parks of all kinds like that. Diamonds, Gold, ruby, emeralds.

But If anyone hits a big vein, Im sure theres some limitation language in the admission tickets ;).

Rough diamonds would be tough to spot. THey just dont look like much till cut.

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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2007, 11:26:08 AM »
I prefer them cut also








you like diamonds?

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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2007, 11:42:27 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2007, 11:45:12 AM »
Cheap men around the world rejoice!!
I am a liberated man, I believe chicks can buy their own ice  ;)

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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2007, 12:03:51 PM »
I am a liberated man, I believe chicks can buy their own ice  ;)
Well of course we can!  :D  It's just nicer when the guy buys it for us!  ;)
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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2007, 10:16:18 PM »
Epic too much hype over shitty stones.

My ancestors used that shity to clean their intestines, no joke, bitches.

What do the doctors call your specific mental disorder exactly??
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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2007, 10:56:53 PM »
OS, you are my "Diamond in the rough", miss you girl! How are you doing miss thang?
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2007, 12:48:08 PM »
OS, you are my "Diamond in the rough", miss you girl! How are you doing miss thang?

LOL, and here I thought you didn't like me
I'm just busy trying to earn extra cash to pay the mortgage off in three years instead of seven.  :D
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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2007, 01:29:36 PM »
LOL, and here I thought you didn't like me
I'm just busy trying to earn extra cash to pay the mortgage off in three years instead of seven.  :D

Looking for a coupla ideas about how you might get that done faster?
I know a few people that have been able to clear their mortgages completely in less than a year,
...others still who've been able to buy the home of their dreams in less than 2 yrs completely mortgage free.  :D
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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2007, 03:23:33 PM »
LOL, and here I thought you didn't like me Oh my dear, quite the contrary! I am very impressed by the way you handle yourself on here and what you have told me about yourself, salute my sister!
I'm just busy trying to earn extra cash to pay the mortgage off in three years instead of seven.  :D Let me express how proud I am of you in a circa 1990 urban colloquialism, "You GO Girl!

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« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2007, 08:15:47 AM »
The diamond industry is an evil empire...cut or uncut.   By owning a diamond you are helping exploit poor men, women and children.  They may be sparkly but imo they aren't worth the cost.  The American media and marketers have done a tremendous job brainwashing us into believing we need a diamond.  I'll pass.

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« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2007, 09:00:06 AM »
The diamond industry is an evil empire...cut or uncut.   By owning a diamond you are helping exploit poor men, women and children.  They may be sparkly but imo they aren't worth the cost.  The American media and marketers have done a tremendous job brainwashing us into believing we need a diamond.  I'll pass.


Not always, in South Africa and Namibia mining diamonds it is a massive very well paid industry.
Especially if you are off shore.
Diamonds are used in industry on a massive scale as well.

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Re: 'Rough' Diamonds
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2007, 09:01:47 AM »
This one looks like a big chunk of dirty rock salt!   :P

  This winter I'm gonna make me a ring! 
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Re: 'Rough' Diamonds
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2007, 04:36:16 PM »
The diamond industry is an evil empire...cut or uncut.   By owning a diamond you are helping exploit poor men, women and children.  They may be sparkly but imo they aren't worth the cost.  The American media and marketers have done a tremendous job brainwashing us into believing we need a diamond.  I'll pass.



Putting your money in color'd stones or precious metals is also a much better investment.
I'm not crazy about Ice. Many are. Its been marvelously marketed by The De Beers.
I'd like to see it take a serious hit in value. Its way overpriced.